Patrick Kane

[Porous Five Hole]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

If they did have Kane, would be more inclined to put him w/ Mittelstadt leaving the Thompson line alone.  LH C vs RH C.  Not sure who would go on that other wing.  +/-'s for any of Olofsson, Krebs, Asplund, or one of the kids there.  (Hinostroza too if he comes back.)

Probably an academic exercise anyhow.

I could chew on that.  

I just think Kane on the top line creates a lot more mismatches than Tuch. Tuch doesn’t make more space for his line mates like Kane would. Tage & Kane get pucks to the net differently, but they both drive offense and the front of the net is where Skinner lives. 

I would love to get into the details if a trade ever happened. 
 

[Eleven]

38 minutes ago, Stads said:

Blackhawks Fansided has three hypothetical Kane trades:

1) Quinn, 2nd and 3rd Round Pick

2) Cozens, Bryson, Vegas pick (16)

3) VO, Mitts, Vegas pick, Panthers Pick

https://dawindycity.com/2022/06/18/3-patrick-kane-trade-packages-buffalo-sabres/

Not one of these proposals comes close to making sense from the Sabres' point of view.  Who writes these things and why are they under the impression that the Sabres are one Pat Kane away from the Cup?

[Radar]

2 hours ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:

We have thought / wished this for years.  Well, not all of us fans.

My big concern is has he matured, which I think he probably has now that he is 33.

For whatever reason this offseason feels a bit different on the P. Kane front, as least to me.  With all the draft picks the Sabres have plus them getting to see where they stand on some of the kids I feel it's likely to happen.  The Hawks must be at the point where they are ready to try to move on from there dynamic duo.

Mitts, VO and #16 for Kane ??  Maybe #28 and a 3rd rounder instead of #16 ??

 

No thanks. Way,way too much.

[MattPie]

5 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Not one of these proposals comes close to making sense from the Sabres' point of view.  Who writes these things and why are they under the impression that the Sabres are one Pat Kane away from the Cup?

Blackhawks fans, I assume. I remember some doozies for Derek Roy back in the day. That being said, if you think of Kane not as a 34-year-old vet, and as a #15 point-producing skater (I looked it up, 26/66/92 for 2021-22). Those aren't that far out of whack really. I wouldn't make those trades where the Sabres are, but a team in a position like the Rangers or Edmonton where they're close to the finals might mortgage the future a bit.

[Weave]

Maybe I’m the *****.  Kane will always be the ***** punk that beat up a cabbie over literal pocket change.  
 

Im not sure what kind of redemption would be needed for me to be happy to see him in blue and gold.

Edited June 20, 2022 by Weave

[Sabres Fan in NS]

2 minutes ago, Weave said:

Maybe I’m the *****.  Kane will always be the ***** punk that beat up a cabbie over literal pocket change.  
 

Im not sure what kind of redemption would be needed for me to be happy to see him in blue and gold.

Come on @Weave don't hold back.  Let it all out.

[ddaryl]

I wouldn't kick Kane off the ice for eating crackers, but I would not give up 1st rd picks or players with a future here to acquire him either.

If Kane is to come here, it's because we are doing Chicago a favorite by taking salary off their cap. I'd throw them a 2nd rd pick maybe some pocket change but I'm not given away anything substantial to obtain his services

[inkman]

49 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Kane's actual market value is irrelevant in terms of a trade to Buffalo.

He is indisputably a luxury right now for a team at the stage Buffalo is at in its build, and you don't flip building blocks for luxuries.

The best pieces I'd be willing to part with are VO and Portillo. VO and Kane fill similar roles; they get age and cap space, we get talent. Portillo fills a huge need in their system.

We don't need Kane right now. If we want him and he wants us, there's always next summer.

Olofsson and Portillo make a ton of sense. Throw in a 2nd round pick or some nonsense to make it appear better.  Olofsson would need to go to open up the roster spot for Kane, Portillo’s future as a Sabre is unclear because of UFA status after next collegiate season.  So it looks like a major haul for Chicago but the Sabres only give up a PP specialist and question marks for instant offensive credibility.  

[Weave]

Just now, Sabres Fan in NS said:

Come on @Weave don't hold back.  Let it all out.

I do like the idea of VO and a goalie prospect that doesn’t want to be in Buffalo for 1 year of a playoff tested vet that can still bring it at a high level.

But I hate the idea of rewarding Kane by bringing him home to end his career.

[Eleven]

1 minute ago, Weave said:

I do like the idea of VO and a goalie prospect that doesn’t want to be in Buffalo for 1 year of a playoff tested vet that can still bring it at a high level.

But I hate the idea of rewarding Kane by bringing him home to end his career.

I'm sure he's grown up.  I'd still be unwilling to trade any real value for him though.

[inkman]

1 minute ago, Weave said:

I do like the idea of VO and a goalie prospect that doesn’t want to be in Buffalo for 1 year of a playoff tested vet that can still bring it at a high level.

But I hate the idea of rewarding Kane by bringing him home to end his career.

I’m certainly no Kane apologist but I’ve made my share of mistakes and I can forgive someone for mishaps early into adulthood.  Maybe he could launch a charity or contribute to a current plight of Buffalonians.  

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, tom webster said:

I know. I know.

However, there continues to be rumblings of a Kane to Buffalo move. It is still unlikely to happen for a myriad of reasons. 
Three big reasons why it may?

1) Chicago is looking for a graceful exit strategy for both Kane and Toews.

2) Kane has always told those close to him that he has thought about finishing his career here.

3) Buffalo is one of the few teams that could absorb the contract.

Like I said, there are more reasons why it won’t happen including the fact that Buffalo is a year away from being ready for it but as I’ve always told my kids, be ready to change your plans because the timing may not be right, but you can’t always control the timing.

 

Trading for Kane doesn't make sense for the Sabres for a variety of reasons. Why would they take on his salary when the expectation is that the Sabres are going to be a bottom level cap team again? And why would it give up an assets for him when the Sabres are still in a rebuilding stage?  The organization's  financial austerity strategy was signaled when the GM essentially acquired a salary for Biship, who is injured, in order to meet the cap floor. 

There is no question that Kane is still a top tier player who would improve this team for the short-term. But it would be at the expense of one of our developing players that this organization already has in the fold. If the Sabres are going to take on a hefty contract or give one out I would rather see the money directed toward a goalie and blue line help. 

The scenario of Chicago trading Kane is not an improbable scenario. Chicago is in a rebuilding mode, and trading of Kane  for future assets could help accelerate their rebuild. Although the Sabres trading Kane doesn't make much sense it certainly would for a team such as the Rangers as @MattPie suggested in a later post.

[Buffalonill]

Easy sign him for free next year

[JohnC]

16 minutes ago, Weave said:

Maybe I’m the *****.  Kane will always be the ***** punk that beat up a cabbie over literal pocket change.  
 

Im not sure what kind of redemption would be needed for me to be happy to see him in blue and gold.

That incident happened 13 years ago. He was arrested and pled guilty to a disorderly conduct charge. He publicly apologized for the assault to the cabbie. What he did was wrong and there is no excuse for it. The next issue is how has he acted since the bad behavior. From what I can gather after that incident 13 year ago he has behaved responsibly. 

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, tom webster said:

I know. I know.

However, there continues to be rumblings of a Kane to Buffalo move. It is still unlikely to happen for a myriad of reasons. 
Three big reasons why it may?

1) Chicago is looking for a graceful exit strategy for both Kane and Toews.

2) Kane has always told those close to him that he has thought about finishing his career here.

3) Buffalo is one of the few teams that could absorb the contract.

Like I said, there are more reasons why it won’t happen including the fact that Buffalo is a year away from being ready for it but as I’ve always told my kids, be ready to change your plans because the timing may not be right, but you can’t always control the timing.

 

I wouldn't give up any legit assets for Pat Kane. We are doing Chicago enough of a favor taking that contract of their books.

[JoeSchmoe]

14 minutes ago, Weave said:

I do like the idea of VO and a goalie prospect that doesn’t want to be in Buffalo for 1 year of a playoff tested vet that can still bring it at a high level.

But I hate the idea of rewarding Kane by bringing him home to end his career.

Keep VO (and all other assets), and sign him next year if he really wants to be a Sabre. 

If Kane wasn't from Buffalo, this thread would not exist, because it makes so little sense.

[Ruff Around The Edges]

I see virtually zero reason why the Sabres should trade for Kane.

First he has a NMC, he can reject it with ease.

Second, are we really a big asset away from serious contention? To give up a guy like Cozens? Not a chance.

If Kane wants to come here, let him sign after next year where the Sabres would give up no assets.

[Porous Five Hole]

50 minutes ago, MattPie said:

Blackhawks fans, I assume. I remember some doozies for Derek Roy back in the day. That being said, if you think of Kane not as a 34-year-old vet, and as a #15 point-producing skater (I looked it up, 26/66/92 for 2021-22). Those aren't that far out of whack really. I wouldn't make those trades where the Sabres are, but a team in a position like the Rangers or Edmonton where they're close to the finals might mortgage the future a bit.

I know you’re just spitballing on potential fits for Kane, but the Rangers have 16 players out of 23 under contract and have 11M in cap space. Yikes. 
The Oilers also have 16 players under contract and only have 6M in cap space.  Double yikes. 
 

Even if the Hawks retain 50%, there’s not a lot of cap room around the league. This is another reason why Buffalo is logical and the price to acquire Kane will be not as expensive as many suggest.  

[SHAAAUGHT!!!]

36 minutes ago, Weave said:

I do like the idea of VO and a goalie prospect that doesn’t want to be in Buffalo for 1 year of a playoff tested vet that can still bring it at a high level.

But I hate the idea of rewarding Kane by bringing him home to end his career.

Since when is coming to Buffalo a reward???  😁

Kane coming to Buffalo to finish his career at a cap friendly deal, while showing maturity on and off the ice, helping the team to the Cup Final for the first time since ‘99 would be the perfect capstone for his career.  He would be immortalized in West Herr ads for the next 40 years once he retires, which will make up for any discount he provided the team.  I’ve done my part, balls in Patty’s court now. 

[tom webster]

3 hours ago, Curt said:

Are there actually rumblings of a Kane to Buffalo move though?  I’ve heard none.

It was even brought up on a Elliot Friedman bit, and on this one, I can 100% guarantee you that it has been discussed by all the important components. Like I said initially, still lot of reasons why it won’t happen this year, but I wouldn’t bet against it.

[JoeSchmoe]

1 minute ago, tom webster said:

It was even brought up on a Elliot Friedman bit, and on this one, I can 100% guarantee you that it has been discussed by all the important components. Like I said initially, still lot of reasons why it won’t happen this year, but I wouldn’t bet against it.

From what you're hearing, is it this year via trade, next year via UFA, or too vague to know at this point?

[Norcal]

Bring Patty Kane home! 

I wouldn't pay much for him though since they are the ones in need of a favor it would seem.

[tom webster]

2 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

From what you're hearing, is it this year via trade, next year via UFA, or too vague to know at this point?

It has been talked about for awhile and accelerated after the Eichel trade. Someone I trust 100% that works in league office told me three years that Kane wished to end his career here and was worried after he was falsely accused in the last case that that would hurt his chances to return here.

The trade scenario heated up after the Blackhawk house cleaning and decision to do a full rebuild. 

Again, it is still unlikely, but people would be surprised at what little the return would be. I still think it’s like he ends up in NY or LA with Colorado always being a dark horse and having no problems acquiring him for just one year.

[tom webster]

46 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Keep VO (and all other assets), and sign him next year if he really wants to be a Sabre. 

If Kane wasn't from Buffalo, this thread would not exist, because it makes so little sense.

Obviously. Conversely, the fact he is from here and has expressed interest in coming here, is exactly why it exists.

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

Not one of these proposals comes close to making sense from the Sabres' point of view.  Who writes these things and why are they under the impression that the Sabres are one Pat Kane away from the Cup?

It’s more likely Ryan Johnson and a future #1.

[GASabresIUFAN]

If we want him, wait a year and sign him as a UFA.