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  On 7/11/2022 at 1:49 AM, nfreeman said:

I agree with all of this, but the bolded is the tricky part.

What is the highest price you would pay for him, assuming he signs an extension as part of the deal?

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Well, it is tricky.  It would be determinate on a combination of:

A draft pick(s).  A prospect.  How much of Kane's salary the Sabres pick up.  How much Kane will sign an extension for?

Like most are saying I would want that to be as lean as possible.

If a trade is worked out, I will look at whether it's a "good deal" like pornography.  "I'll know it when I see it".

I want GMKA to negotiate.

 

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Patrick Kane had a really good year last season stats wise.  26 G, 66 A, 92 Pts.

He's 33, I wonder if our analytics guys can predict his future production or expected decline?  I'm assuming a 2 or 3 year deal would be reasonable to expect him to stay productive.

But I do wonder about having both Kane and Skinner on the team as our two top paid wingers long term.  Next season not a problem.

Since we're in fantasy trade land.  How about trading for Kane and signing him to a new 3 year deal.  No salary retained by Chicago (for next season).  But Buffalo sends back Skinner to Chicago retaining $3M of Skinner's salary.  So Skinner becomes a $6M player for Chicago.  Buffalo gets the better player and a guy with playoff experience in Kane.

The stop is that Skinner would have to agree to the trade because he has a no move clause (NMC) and it's doubtful he would.

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  On 7/12/2022 at 12:37 AM, Digger said:

Patrick Kane had a really good year last season stats wise.  26 G, 66 A, 92 Pts.

He's 33, I wonder if our analytics guys can predict his future production or expected decline?  I'm assuming a 2 or 3 year deal would be reasonable to expect him to stay productive.

But I do wonder about having both Kane and Skinner on the team as our two top LW's long term.  Next season not a problem.

Since we're in fantasy trade land.  How about trading for Kane and signing him to a new 3 year deal.  No salary retained by Chicago (for next season).  But Buffalo sends back Skinner to Chicago retaining $3M of Skinner's salary.  So Skinner becomes a $6M player for Chicago.  Buffalo gets the better player and a guy with playoff experience in Kane.

The stop is that Skinner would have to agree to the trade because he has a no move clause (NMC) and it's doubtful he would.

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While Kane is a left handed shot, he has always played right wing.

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  On 7/12/2022 at 1:15 AM, Doohickie said:

tbh I'd rather have Skinner.  His commitment to the team and his chemistry with the coaches and players is a known quantity.

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He had a good bounce back year last season but I'll check back in 2026.  I'm not convinced his contract will age well.

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  On 7/12/2022 at 3:01 AM, Taro T said:

He's already there. 😉

Wait, you meant the one that got into trouble in Buffalo.  He's already there.  😉

Oh, the one born and raised in Buffalo.  Doubt it happens, but who knows.

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We'll see.  What I find interesting is the Chicago side of the equation. Are they just looking to dump Buffalo Kane and start anew, or will they try to get some assets for him? It might make sense for Chicago to hold him until the trade deadline and get whatever they can get. But it seems as if they want to clean out the cupboard and tank so they will have one of the top picks in the next draft for one of the premier prospects. I'm just so glad that Buffalo is more advanced in its rebuild because it is such a dispiriting and exhausting process for the fanbase to go through. I got to give KA credit for expediting our rebuild and shortening the time to get to the road of respectability. 

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According to something I saw this morning, Kane (from Buffalo), may be putting in a trade request tomorrow (Wednesday) at the start of free agency with the Rangers being the prefered spot for where he wants to go

He may not even want to come to play for Buffalo

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Doubt very much Kane comes here. As great a player he is I'm not all that disappointed but hate to see him on a competitors team for sure.

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  On 7/11/2022 at 5:42 PM, SDS said:

In the spirit of the post talking about people talking past each other… I think most people advocating for this type of trade is inferring a Taylor Hall situation where Chicago can’t get Kane’s true value because Kane forces his way to one team. 

If Chicago is only interested in true value and doesn’t want to unload a salary, then the deal is dead for everyone.

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I haven’t seen any evidence that Chicago is primarily interested in getting good value for their roster pieces.  They are letting Strome and Kubalik walk for nothing.

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  On 7/12/2022 at 8:55 PM, Curt said:

I haven’t seen any evidence that Chicago is primarily interested in getting good value for their roster pieces.  They are letting Strome and Kubalik walk for nothing.

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I think "Strome" is Canadian for "let him walk," actually.

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  On 7/12/2022 at 8:55 PM, Curt said:

I haven’t seen any evidence that Chicago is primarily interested in getting good value for their roster pieces.  They are letting Strome and Kubalik walk for nothing.

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What they are doing makes no sense. Even if the organization wanted to tank for better positioning in next year's draft, they could have shed players for future assets. Compare what Chicago did with how much KA got in return for his dispatched old core trio? If you are going to explode your roster doing it with some purpose instead of being nihilistic about it makes more sense. 

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  On 7/12/2022 at 9:42 PM, JohnC said:

What they are doing makes no sense. Even if the organization wanted to tank for better positioning in next year's draft, they could have shed players for future assets. Compare what Chicago did with how much KA got in return for his dispatched old core trio? If you are going to explode your roster doing it with some purpose instead of being nihilistic about it makes more sense. 

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I don't see anything wrong with what they did. 

Strome was carried by Kane and they didn't feel he was worth the contract -pass 

Dominik Kubalik-  Declining every year  Not worth the contract - pass 

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  On 7/12/2022 at 9:49 PM, Buffalonill said:

I don't see anything wrong with what they did. 

Strome was carried by Kane and they didn't feel he was worth the contract -pass 

Dominik Kubalik-  Declining every year  Not worth the contract - pass 

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If they didn’t want to pay them, fine.

I just find it hard to believe that no other NHL GM would have been willing to trade something for them.  I find I hard to believe that their best option was to let them walk for nothing.  These guys were not UFAs, they were under team control.

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