Who Is A Better at Hockey: Victor Olofsson or Samson Reinhart?

[bob_sauve28]

Discuss 

 

I'm going with VO, myself 

Edited April 20, 2022 by bob_sauve28

[LGR4GM]

Reinhart and it's not close

[Zamboni]

Well this is bait.

 

Reinhart of course.

 

Not to mention… The title is poorly written.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Zamboni

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Discuss 

 

I'm going with VO, myself 

Is this a trick question?

[bob_sauve28]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Is this a trick question?

Not at all 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Not at all 

Then it's Samson.

[sweetlou]

Same scoring ability, Sam better passer, both meh in defensive zone.  Edge definitely to Sam.

[Carmel Corn]

Not a fair fight, Sam without question.  In addition to the reasons above, Sam also goes to the more difficult places on the ice to create offense.

[Pimlach]

Sam is the better all around player.  
 

VO has a better shot release, more of a finisher on a line with a playmaking center or on PP.  

[WhenWillItEnd66]

Sam can produce on his own, VO cannot. Sam wins. What is with all the comparisons with ex Sabres??? We now have a promising team with WHAT WE HAVE!!! What we had were nothing but a disappointment. Be happy for the future and stop looking behind.

[bob_sauve28]

I think when VO gets in a full season he will have more points than Sam has had in any season. He is such money 

[Zamboni]

5 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

I think when VO gets in a full season he will have more points than Sam has had in any season. He is such money 

So from this post …. You only equate “points production” with “better at hockey”

 

…. interesting

[bob_sauve28]

Just now, Zamboni said:

So from this post …. You only equate “points production” with “better at hockey”

 

…. interesting

Gotta score goals to win. They are both scorers, so seems like a fair way to judge them. What is Samson better at face offs or something? 

[MattPie]

7 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Gotta score goals to win. They are both scorers, so seems like a fair way to judge them. What is Samson better at face offs or something? 

I'd go with Reinhart is better at almost all the facets of the game other than scoring goals.

[LGR4GM]

10 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Gotta score goals to win. They are both scorers, so seems like a fair way to judge them. What is Samson better at face offs or something? 

Passing, the cycle, board play, zone exits, defense, staying healthy, consistency, and his shot is on par even if it isn't as laser focused as Olofsson. You don't have a career 13.6sh% and 5 straight seasons of 20+ goals because your shot is mediocre. Hockey IQ also goes to Reinhart. 

2 minutes ago, MattPie said:

I'd go with Reinhart is better at almost all the facets of the game other than scoring goals.

I might even include scoring goals. Olofsson's shot from the circle is awesome but Reinhart seems to have the ability to score in more varied ways. 

Edited April 20, 2022 by LGR4GM

[Doohicksie]

The fact that this is even a discussion leaves me gobsmacked.

[Doohicksie]

11 minutes ago, MattPie said:

I'd go with Reinhart is better at almost all the facets of the game that don't matter as much as scoring goals.

fify

[Doohicksie]

If they're both healthy I think it's actually pretty close, but with one of the most important abilities being availability, I would lean toward Sam who's been very durable throughout his career.

[nfreeman]

IMHO it's not as crazy as it seems at first glance.

Reino was a good young player who spent his first 6 NHL years in a highly dysfunctional environment.  Like most young players, he was pretty inconsistent during his 1st 3 seasons.  His productivity took a major jump in his 4th season, Howie's 2nd and last season here, and he maintained that productivity for 2 more seasons under Krueger before stepping it up again this season on a loaded Florida team.  He'll end up this year with about 30 goals and 80 points, and 3rd among forwards in ice time on the Panthers, who are tied for 1st in the entire NHL.  That is a very good season.

As a Sabres fan, my main criticisms of Reino's game were that (i) he may or may not have been part of the problem here, but he wasn't part of the solution, (ii) he generally disappeared for lengthy stretches of each season, and those stretches coincided with the periods in which the season slipped away from the team and (iii) slow skating.  Still, he has developed over time into a very good NHL forward and I'd guess that both KA and most here would prefer he was still on the team.

This is VO's 3rd NHL season, and his first in a non-Covid, non-Krueger environment.  He was highly productive as a rookie, with 20 goals and 42 pts in 54 games, before slipping to 13-19-32 in 56 games in his 2nd year.  He's since bounced back with a fine 3rd year -- 20 goals and 44 pts in 68 games so far -- despite being out or substantially impaired for a large chunk of it with a wrist injury.  He's improved each year, he can score it and pass it, he's a very good skater and he seems like a good team guy.  If he stays healthy, I kinda expect him to score 30+ next year.

Reino is more durable, more solidly built, more adaptable, better on the boards and probably has better hockey IQ.  VO is faster, perhaps more skilled and perhaps a better team guy.  It's not impossible that VO's productivity will be more or less equivalent with Reino's as VO's career progresses if VO stays healthy and if VO's teammates improve to the level of Reino's current teammates.

Right now I think at least 30 NHL GMs take Reino, and rightly so.  In a few years though it might be less lopsided.

 

 

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Both guys are 26 and Samson is the better player, but stats wise there is some room for debate.

Here is some food for thought

Olofsson g/gp .29; pts/gp .66

Reinhart g/gp .30; pts/gp .70

Sam is now a pt a game player and has 527 NHL games under his belt compared to 184 to Olofsson, but to Vic’s credit he has done a very good job here and should be re-signed. I like that even at 26 his game continues to develop.  Not bad for a 7th rd pick.

Edited April 20, 2022 by GASabresIUFAN

[matter2003]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Reinhart and it's not close

Reinhart is a much more complete player. VO is only a sniper, but a potential 20-30 goal scorer for the next 5 years. Probably would have easily had 25 goals had he not been injured for a good part of the year, even after he came back to play it took several weeks for him to regain his shot.  

VO probably is a max 55-60 point player, but he has had some nice passes lately to set teammates up, so he has a little more than only a sniper but he is definitely a defensive liability still.

5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Both guys are 26 and Samson is the better player, but stats wise there is some room for debate.

Here is some food for thought

Olofsson g/gp .29; pts/gp .66

Reinhart g/gp .30; pts/gp .70

I think Reinhart has more points potential but VO is a better pure goal scorer.  His shot on the PP is lethal...reminds me a little of Kotalik in that regards, sans the shootout wizardry

[Brawndo]

This is a three year comparison between the two players from a fancy stats view 

 

[bob_sauve28]

11 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Reinhart is a much more complete player. VO is only a sniper, but a potential 20-30 goal scorer for the next 5 years. Probably would have easily had 25 goals had he not been injured for a good part of the year, even after he came back to play it took several weeks for him to regain his shot.  

VO probably is a max 55-60 point player, but he has had some nice passes lately to set teammates up, so he has a little more than only a sniper but he is definitely a defensive liability still.

I think Reinhart has more points potential but VO is a better pure goal scorer.  His shot on the PP is lethal...reminds me a little of Kotalik in that regards, sans the shootout wizardry

Just 25? Did he not go a really long stretch--when injured--of not having a goal? He went Nov, Dec and Jan without a goal and still has almost 20. I would guess he would have scored north of 35 goals if not injured. 

 

And I hope no one took this comparison as a shot at Sam. It was not. 

[nfreeman]

9 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

This is a three year comparison between the two players from a fancy stats view 

 

Am I remembering incorrectly, or is it better to be in the red for xGA and CA, and better to be in the blue for GF, xGF and CF?

[matter2003]

9 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Just 25? Did he not go a really long stretch--when injured--of not having a goal? He went Nov, Dec and Jan without a goal and still has almost 20. I would guess he would have scored north of 35 goals if not injured. 

 

And I hope no one took this comparison as a shot at Sam. It was not. 

He has 20 now after scoring 2 the other night.