2022-2023 Buffalo Bills Thread

[shrader]

3 hours ago, Eleven said:

Which his attorney has denied, stating that she identified her school--the name of which is shared by a high school and a college in San Diego, like Villa Maria (formerly?) or Canisius in Buffalo.  I'm not going to predict which attorney has it right; what she actually said is a factual issue, though.

My brother started college at 17. I was an 18 year old senior in high school. I’m not sure how much identifying the school really matters. 

[Eleven]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

My brother started college at 17. I was an 18 year old senior in high school. I’m not sure how much identifying the school really matters. 

I started college very young myself.  And used my college ID to hoodwink a movie theater clerk into allowing me into an NC-17 movie with all my 17+ friends, when I was not yet 17.  

We all can get anecdotal, but what she said matters, because it is a question of fact in a lawsuit and possibly in a criminal prosecution.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Eleven

[MattPie]

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

I started college very young myself.  And used my college ID to hoodwink a movie theater clerk into allowing me into an NC-17 movie with all my 17+ friends, when I was not yet 17.  

We all can get anecdotal, but what she said matters, because it is a question of fact in a lawsuit and possibly in a criminal prosecution.

Freaking Doogie Houser over here. 🙂

 

The real lesson here is: don't f' people that are really drunk, don't be a scumbag.

[shrader]

9 hours ago, Eleven said:

I started college very young myself.  And used my college ID to hoodwink a movie theater clerk into allowing me into an NC-17 movie with all my 17+ friends, when I was not yet 17.  

We all can get anecdotal, but what she said matters, because it is a question of fact in a lawsuit and possibly in a criminal prosecution.

I don’t mean it to be anecdotal. The point is that even if she did identify herself as a high school student, that doesn’t give an age. So unless she’s walking around saying “hello Mr Araiza, my name is Jane and I’m 17” and handing out her ID, he’s not going to know whether or not she’s legal. This whole assumption of age thing, it seems very hard to prove in either direction. 

[MattPie]

57 minutes ago, shrader said:

I don’t mean it to be anecdotal. The point is that even if she did identify herself as a high school student, that doesn’t give an age. So unless she’s walking around saying “hello Mr Araiza, my name is Jane and I’m 17” and handing out her ID, he’s not going to know whether or not she’s legal. This whole assumption of age thing, it seems very hard to prove in either direction. 

There's a solution to this: "Hey, you're 18 right?"

[That Aud Smell]

15 hours ago, Taro T said:

How do you know there is no exculpatory evidence? 

My point there was that there's none at this time, evidently. Otherwise, we'd have heard about it - officially or as a rumour. Timing is everything here. The team (brand) had a roaring grease fire on its hands with no signs of a way to put it out, other than to release the accused player.

[That Aud Smell]

16 hours ago, Taro T said:

not sure that the punishment apparently being doled out is appropriate.  Perhaps that in itself is enough to warrant this punishment, but just can't get to that place at this moment with so few facts known by us.

thanks for a careful review of the information that's been made public. i think we were coming at the thing from very different vantage points.

there's the old saying that the truth is at the bottom of a bottomless well -- and that is never more apt than in situations involving alcohol-influenced fights, assaults, etc. i don't have much interest in getting to the truth with araiza's situation, and i doubt anything resembling "the" truth will come out of it.

my focus is more on the practicalities that the team faces in such a situation. there are billions and billions of dollars at stake for the league's and the team's intangible values (the ol' goodwill -- those warm fuzzy feelings a consumer has for your product). there's no way that the bills would put that asset at stake (or that the league would happily allow the team to implicate the nfl's brand value) so that a specialist rookie can get the fairest shake possible.

i also think it was a factor that the league has somewhat recently figured out that its biggest growth opportunity in its existing u.s. markets is to make real inroads with female fans. whether single or married, women are increasingly heads of household and have control over gobs of discretionary money (that the nfl very much wants).

Edited August 29, 2022 by That Aud Smell

[WhenWillItEnd66]

This whole situation is bad for everyone all around. Whether it is true or not there is someone that is or will be totally life changing. If they are guilty, then they deserve jail time, plain and simple. I totally get the Bills trying to get as much information as possible before making their decision. In this day and age of false accusations, they were in a no win situation as there was no way they were going to get a definitive that he was guilty or not guilty. That this is majorly being played by the victim's lawyer did not help either. (Who i still believe is a total Douche) Either way, this is beyond football and i hope there is healing and justice if this is true and also if untrue.  

[shrader]

1 hour ago, MattPie said:

There's a solution to this: "Hey, you're 18 right?"

Similar to that “hey you’re 21 right” that bars and convenience stores have perfected over the years. 

[Eleven]

53 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Otherwise, we'd have heard about it - officially or as a rumour.

We did, when his attorney stated that she implied she was in college.  Again, could be total BS.  But we've heard about it.

[That Aud Smell]

8 minutes ago, Eleven said:

We did, when his attorney stated that she implied she was in college.  Again, could be total BS.  But we've heard about it.

He said/she said stuff isn't the sort of thing that could have allowed the Bills to keep him on the roster in the face of what's being alleged.

The criminal defense lawyer said it was a shakedown. If they had proof showing (or just suggesting) that this was a shakedown? Then maybe he's still on the roster.

[That Aud Smell]

17 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

I also stand by my takes - (1) didn’t like the use of a photo on the Tweet (otoh, I acknowledge a neutral (albeit not great) reason it appeared there), (2) didn’t like that it was hunky pic (otoh, the doofus smiley headshot could have been worse in some ways). I would have preferred a neutral team graphic if one were needed.

As in:

 

[MattPie]

30 minutes ago, shrader said:

Similar to that “hey you’re 21 right” that bars and convenience stores have perfected over the years. 

True, but in my opinion as person who is barely keeping up with this story, the statutory claim in CA may not be an issue if the person says they're 18.

2 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

He said/she said stuff isn't the sort of thing that could have allowed the Bills to keep him on the roster in the face of what's being alleged.

The criminal defense lawyer said it was a shakedown. If they had proof showing (or just suggesting) that this was a shakedown? Then maybe he's still on the roster.

I think the victim's lawyer (I think) said they haven't asked for money, and possibly even turned down a settlement. But again, I'm not paying that much attention to this as something we'll likely never know the full truth.

[Brawndo]

Titans release Brett Kerns and Broncos release Sam Martin both very good punters 

[Huckleberry]

13 hours ago, MattPie said:

Freaking Doogie Houser over here. 🙂

 

The real lesson here is: don't f' people that are really drunk, don't be a scumbag.

I think In Sweden its automatic rape if you ***** a drunk person.

[Indabuff]

23 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Titans release Brett Kerns and Broncos release Sam Martin both very good punters 

Wonder how much Martin would cost.

[Stoner]

16 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I think In Sweden its automatic rape if you ***** a drunk person.

And if the guy is drunk? Do you know how many men have been raped using this standard?

[Huckleberry]

9 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

And if the guy is drunk? Do you know how many men have been raped using this standard?

Its their law not mine , but yeah goes both ways over there.

[MattPie]

9 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

And if the guy is drunk? Do you know how many men have been raped using this standard?

I feel like there's a Dead Kennedys song that starts with "to drunk to" that sometimes applies here.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

8 minutes ago, MattPie said:

I feel like there's a Dead Kennedys song that starts with "to drunk to" that sometimes applies here.

California Uber Alles ??

 

[MattPie]

2 minutes ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:

California Uber Alles ??

 

No no, not that one. It's not as well known.

2 minutes ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:

California Uber Alles ??

 

No no, not that one. It's not as well known.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

1 minute ago, MattPie said:

No no, not that one. It's not as well known.

No no, not that one. It's not as well known.

I know ...

 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, PASabreFan said:

And if the guy is drunk? Do you know how many men have been raped using this standard?

And married couples or other serious relationships.  Only the virgins and the non-drinkers would be safe from this one.

[Eleven]

7 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

He said/she said stuff isn't the sort of thing that could have allowed the Bills to keep him on the roster in the face of what's being alleged.

The criminal defense lawyer said it was a shakedown. If they had proof showing (or just suggesting) that this was a shakedown? Then maybe he's still on the roster.

Omigosh enough.  You have nothing.  I have nothing.  No one outside of Matt Araiza and his accuser has anything.

I think the movie is called Frozen:  Let It Go.

The truth will come out and you can judge it then if you still care.

[LGR4GM]

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