Brawndo Posted February 28, 2022 Report Posted February 28, 2022 With the Combine starting this week and Free Agency in the Horizon along with this tidbit. It’s time to start the 2022 Thread 2
That Aud Smell Posted March 1, 2022 Report Posted March 1, 2022 Great timing. It sounds like an announcement on the new stadium is days away at this point.
Taro T Posted March 1, 2022 Report Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Great timing. It sounds like an announcement on the new stadium is days away at this point. Yeah. Not a fan of publicly funding billionaires play toys. But there's no way Gov. Hochul isn't going to make this happen. So, good for us, right? And am very glad they won't be moving for a very long time. At least unlike federally wasted $'s, our kids can always move to another state to get away from that debt. 😉 2
That Aud Smell Posted March 1, 2022 Report Posted March 1, 2022 Yeah - my antipathy for the economic policy aspect of this is being silo’d for now. I mean: I hate it. I hate the NFL, I hate the owners, on some fundamental level. And yet: Bread and circuses. 1
Ogre Posted March 1, 2022 Report Posted March 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: And yet: Bread and circuses. I can imagine a world where that isn’t necessary. 1
That Aud Smell Posted March 1, 2022 Report Posted March 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Ogre said: I can imagine a world where that isn’t necessary. Let me know how ticket sales go and how viewer ratings are.
Ogre Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 16 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: Let me know how ticket sales go and how viewer ratings are. Uhm. Ok.
MattPie Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) For that money, I'd let the team move and pocket the $500 per-person in NYS (1G$ / 20Mpeople), or if I'm feeling it, put 500M$ into infra and education and pocket $250 for everyone in the state. What BS. Edited March 2, 2022 by MattPie 1
nfreeman Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 3 hours ago, MattPie said: For that money, I'd let the team move and pocket the $500 per-person in NYS (1G$ / 20Mpeople), or if I'm feeling it, put 500M$ into infra and education and pocket $250 for everyone in the state. What BS. In the abstract, perhaps, but in reality the greedy and corrupt grifters that have been running NYS for generations would simply find other ways to spend the public's money and continue to keep their skim until the bitter end.
MattPie Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, nfreeman said: In the abstract, perhaps, but in reality the greedy and corrupt grifters that have been running NYS every local, state, and gov't for generations would simply find other ways to spend the public's money and continue to keep their skim until the bitter end. FTFY. Same skim, different optics when it's a stadium.
nfreeman Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, MattPie said: FTFY. Same skim, different optics when it's a stadium. Your fix is certainly true in most cases, but I'd note that the magnitude of the grift in NYS, and of its destructive effects, are in the 99th percentile relative to other state and local governments. I agree that the huge number associated with the stadium -- and that's before overruns, which are a lock to be enormous -- brings the issue into stark relief.
tom webster Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, MattPie said: For that money, I'd let the team move and pocket the $500 per-person in NYS (1G$ / 20Mpeople), or if I'm feeling it, put 500M$ into infra and education and pocket $250 for everyone in the state. What BS. While I would love a scenario where nobody subsidized stadiums anywhere, the math isn’t as bad as it used to be for these projects. While you may not get the economic development around the stadium that some studies project, the actual payroll taxes, real estate taxes generated by players and executives, sakes tax, etc, the return on investment isn’t horrible, especially when you add in quality of life benefits as well. Edited March 2, 2022 by tom webster
Weave Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 I have a profound dislike for Gronk. I’m not sure I could shake that dislike even if he were signed in Buffalo. 1
JujuFish Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 I'd run it by Tre White first, considering the dirty hit Gronk laid on him a few years ago. If Tre is OK with it, then I'd be OK with it.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 I hate Gronk 'cus of his playing in the dastardly town. That said, he still brings it (mostly), so I'll allow him to sign in Buffalo. No more than 2 years.
MattPie Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 2 hours ago, tom webster said: While I would love a scenario where nobody subsidized stadiums anywhere, the math isn’t as bad as it used to be for these projects. While you may not get the economic development around the stadium that some studies project, the actual payroll taxes, real estate taxes generated by players and executives, sakes tax, etc, the return on investment isn’t horrible, especially when you add in quality of life benefits as well. Sometimes, sure. Building a new stadium in the parking lot of the old one isn't going to change much in OP, I fear, unless they're planning on turning those corners into some copy of HarborCenter and hope people will drive out to OP for a meal and drinks. If they had put the stadium downtown I *might* believe it, but even then a gigadollar+ is a lot of service jobs to employ to break even. Just looking at payroll taxes, you'd have to create 250M$; given 40K$/yr jobs average paying 8K$ taxes, no way this is going to create 30,000 jobs. There's a lot of estimating in there (and I think I aimed high), but it never seems to work in our favor. Still all of us paying out for a rich person's toy.
tom webster Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, MattPie said: Sometimes, sure. Building a new stadium in the parking lot of the old one isn't going to change much in OP, I fear, unless they're planning on turning those corners into some copy of HarborCenter and hope people will drive out to OP for a meal and drinks. If they had put the stadium downtown I *might* believe it, but even then a gigadollar+ is a lot of service jobs to employ to break even. Just looking at payroll taxes, you'd have to create 250M$; given 40K$/yr jobs average paying 8K$ taxes, no way this is going to create 30,000 jobs. There's a lot of estimating in there (and I think I aimed high), but it never seems to work in our favor. Still all of us paying out for a rich person's toy. I’m talking the payroll taxes and real estate taxes generated by players and executives with the team, hotel taxes, sales taxes on tickets, meals and merchandise purchased by fans, etc. It adds up and that doesn’t include the construction jobs and other things associated with the build.
Buffalonill Posted March 2, 2022 Report Posted March 2, 2022 Gronk doesn't seem like a culture guy that the bills are all about . Bills have a great opportunity at a superbowl don't waste it on this guy .
LGR4GM Posted March 3, 2022 Report Posted March 3, 2022 I'll take any player that could help win us a superbowl 1
Brawndo Posted March 3, 2022 Author Report Posted March 3, 2022 46 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: I'll take any player that could help win us a superbowl
LGR4GM Posted March 3, 2022 Report Posted March 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Better than the idiots in Twitter pining for Saquon Barkely
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