GDT - Red Wings @ Sabres - January 17, 2022 - 1:00 PM (EST) - SN and MSG-B / WGR

[Eleven]

No effort?  No battle?

 

Also, although I love afternoon games, they mess with my internal clock.  I feel like I should be getting ready for bed soon.

[Pimlach]

How many turnovers before the Larkin scores?  Three? 
 

Ray is ridiculous with his morale victories.  Shut up Rob, they suck  again.  
 

What I saw after the 2nd goal was no effort, no shots on goal other than Tuch’s weak breakaway, careless lazy play, too many turnovers in our zone, and a team that looks ready for the season to end.  
 

Keep Krebs and Quinn and Samuelson away from these guys.  They aren’t going to help anyway.  This team is folding.  
 

 

[Spoonman]

See you boys for game against ‘no goal’ starzzz

[Dreams Burn Down]

This is a mentally fragile team now and has been for years.  I blame coaching, to a point, but the "leadership" in the dressing room should also be addressing this.

[tom webster]

I’m really not sure what everyone is outraged about. This season has gone perfectly. There are signs of improvement, they are a ton more entertaining and they are playing with ECHL goalie and at least four players that don’t belong on an NHL roster. I, for one, have enjoyed this season more than the last two by a long shot.

[Nitro60]

Lose the third and the OT.  Played two good periods but this team is not mentally tough.  Third period collapses are common for them.  OT is a guaranteed loss.  Granato has a lot to fix.

[PerreaultForever]

This team................

Skated well in the first period. Pretty much how you define a low event hockey game, but aside from an anemic PP they were the better team until the third. and the OT was pathetic.

Why is it this team, filled with young players who should be fit and energetic, can't seem to sustain their game for 3 periods? Why do they always look tired at the end? 

Are they in on the tank? Granato want them to play crap at the end of games on purpose? It just boggles the mind how the same thing keeps repeating. 

I'm starting to question what we were sold on Tuch. Underwhelming and he too always looks lethargic and tired in the third. I expected more energy and impact from him. 

Only upside, Samuelson looks ready. A D man who actually plays defense what a concept! Him and Pysyk on the PK was a vast improvement. 

[Gatorman0519]

We have some good prospects. But we have a entrenched losing culture. No end in sight of getting out of this abyss. 

[Pimlach]

4 minutes ago, Gatorman0519 said:

Outside of a few players I see no persistent Improvment under Granato. They lose the same ways they always have. Tentative. Soft. Gaffes every game. Mentally weak. Not sure if the arrow is heading up yet. 

The W-L records shows no positive trends.  We are dropping in the standings.  

[Dreams Burn Down]

4 minutes ago, sabremike said:

Good thing we passed on hiring Boudreau, we may have actually won some games and that would be awful.

IMHO, Boudreau would not have moved the psychological needle on this team.

[PerreaultForever]

3 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Ray is ridiculous with his morale victories.  Shut up Rob, they suck  again.  

Ya, I can't stand that. They lose all credibility with that stuff. The bar is set way too low. 

[Thorner]

11 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

When was the last time we weren't embarrassing in overtime? 

 

I tried finding an easy-to-use source for this stat and couldn't find one

[DarthEbriate]

At the beginning of the season the obvious choices to "not make the playoffs" in the division were Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, and Ottawa. These were the teams to compare to going into 2021-22.

So ends the season series with the "one year ahead" Winged Wheel. Outcome: complete failure, appear well more than one year behind.

Tomorrow begins the season series with the "feisty in 2020" Sens. What shall the outcome be?

[Gatorman0519]

I think it is a forgone conclusion we finish bottom 5. 

[sabremike]

Just now, Dreams Burn Down said:

IMHO, Boudreau would not have moved the psychological needle on this team.

He took a Canucks team that was dead and buried with a tombstone on top back from the dead. I mean seriously?

[Dreams Burn Down]

2 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

This team................

Skated well in the first period. Pretty much how you define a low event hockey game, but aside from an anemic PP they were the better team until the third. and the OT was pathetic.

Why is it this team, filled with young players who should be fit and energetic, can't seem to sustain their game for 3 periods? Why do they always look tired at the end? 

Are they in on the tank? Granato want them to play crap at the end of games on purpose? It just boggles the mind how the same thing keeps repeating. 

I'm starting to question what we were sold on Tuch. Underwhelming and he too always looks lethargic and tired in the third. I expected more energy and impact from him. 

Only upside, Samuelson looks ready. A D man who actually plays defense what a concept! Him and Pysyk on the PK was a vast improvement. 

I think that having more real estate on the ice with the 3-on-3 format lays bare lesser skilled teams.  For now, at least, we fit into that category.

[Pimlach]

3 minutes ago, tom webster said:

I’m really not sure what everyone is outraged about. This season has gone perfectly. There are signs of improvement, they are a ton more entertaining and they are playing with ECHL goalie and at least four players that don’t belong on an NHL roster. I, for one, have enjoyed this season more than the last two by a long shot.

Give us three signs of improvement from the start of the season to now.
 

And don’t name the Rochester kids cause they haven’t helped at all with the exception of UPL.  

[Taro T]

5 hours ago, Taro T said:

Game's not until 7.  Get shoveling.  You've got plenty of time.  😉

 

With God as my witness, thought this game was at 7PM.  (Went to set up to record the pregame & saw the game is 1/2 over.)

Apologies @PromoTheRobot.  🍺

 

[Thorner]

11 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

At this point Donny G is becoming as responsible as the players for these games. Their mental fortitude is straight garbage. No killer instinct. 

Speaking of only the OT specifically, there's an element there for me of "don't hate the player, hate the game" - it's a dumb format that often comes down to a team's ability to win a face off specifically. But Granato didn't throw anyone out who had a 50/50 FO percentage today who could have conceivably won a draw - so I do hold coach accountable to an extent, today. 

Cozens give away on goal 2 was also quite poor 

[Pimlach]

4 minutes ago, Dreams Burn Down said:

IMHO, Boudreau would not have moved the psychological needle on this team.

Remember the thought here was Granato was perfect for the young kids.  A teaching coach.  

[DarthEbriate]

Just now, Pimlach said:

Remember the thought here was Granato was perfect for the young kids.  A teaching coach.  

And during the offseason Boudreau would likely have commanded a much higher salary than Granato. Lest we forget: Effective, Efficient, and Economical.

[Dreams Burn Down]

1 minute ago, sabremike said:

He took a Canucks team that was dead and buried with a tombstone on top back from the dead. I mean seriously?

My apologies.  I should have removed his name and substituted it with "any coach."  The players have to overcome their fragileness themselves.  We keep recycling coaches and GMs, yet these mental collapses keep recurring.  Talent is obviously an issue, but, at some point, the players in that room have to develop mental toughness.

[Thorner]

5 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

At the beginning of the season the obvious choices to "not make the playoffs" in the division were Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, and Ottawa. These were the teams to compare to going into 2021-22.

So ends the season series with the "one year ahead" Winged Wheel. Outcome: complete failure, appear well more than one year behind.

Tomorrow begins the season series with the "feisty in 2020" Sens. What shall the outcome be?

Probably should throw a bit of water for the time being on the, "we'll put the kids in next year and watch the explosion happen" type thinking. We aren't going to put in Quinn and Peterka and suddenly be a good team. Our F unit today was a pretty reasonable approximation of what we'll see next year - at least much closer to what we've been seeing with all the absences. 

If Adams doesn't try to supplement quality players from outside the organization and stands firm on the ultra-patient approach - the timeline to competitiveness will be a fair bit longer than some are projecting, IMO, should the plan work out 

[PerreaultForever]

5 minutes ago, Dreams Burn Down said:

I think that having more real estate on the ice with the 3-on-3 format lays bare lesser skilled teams.  For now, at least, we fit into that category.

Oh definitely. OT is for Eichel types and we don't have those guys any more. Tage is our best forward this year but he's not an open ice guy, he's had success using that reach and size in traffic. OT is all about possession and speed. Only Dahlin is a decent OT player for us. 

7 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Give us three signs of improvement from the start of the season to now.
 

And don’t name the Rochester kids cause they haven’t helped at all with the exception of UPL.  

1. Tage.

That's all I got. 

[Thorner]

10 minutes ago, Gatorman0519 said:

I think it is a forgone conclusion we finish bottom 5. 

NYI are 1 point back with... 8 games in hand, so ya. 

Currently we are bottom 4 by points %