Rank the Sabres defenders

[pi2000]

1. Dahlin
2. Bryson
3. Jokiharju
4. Power
5. Pysyk
6. Miller
7. Samuelsson
8. Haag
9. Butcher
10. Novikov
11. Laaksonen
12. Fitzgerald
13. Johnson
14. Lyckasen
15. Prow

[Sabres Fan in NS]

  On 1/14/2022 at 6:46 PM, SwampD said:

I thought “fog” was kinda funny.

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The whole list was meant to be funny.

Some guys have their crotchless panties all bound up tight.

[Stoner]

  On 1/14/2022 at 7:55 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

The truth about of D group is that they are simply bad.  As a group they are terrible at handling the four check and clearing the zone.  They get physically manhandled, make stupid passes and the stats reflect the issues.  They give up the 4th most shots per game and are near the bottom in high danger chances allowed.  If someone can find our opponents time is our zone, I’m also sure it near the bottom of the league. 
 

 

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The point of this exercise is to put Dahlin on top of the rubbish heap and validate LGR's opinion.

[Weave]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:00 PM, The Ghost of Doohickie said:

The whole list was meant to be funny.

Some guys have their crotchless panties all bound up tight.

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[LGR4GM]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:15 PM, PASabreFan said:

The point of this exercise is to put Dahlin on top of the rubbish heap and validate LGR's opinion.

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What an obnoxious comment. Most of what you post towards me is obnoxious so I shouldn't be surprised about this. 

Edited January 14, 2022 by LGR4GM

[GASabresIUFAN]

The better question about our D is who in the current lineup would actually get ice time on a good team and where would they play.

Dahlin - would be a second pair player and PP QB

Jokiharju - 3rd pairing RHD

Bryson - 6 -7

Pysyk - 7th D

Hagg, Butcher, and Miller - none would see ice time on a good team.

Ultimately we have 2 guys who'd play for a good team. 2!  

I'm optimistic on Power, Samuelsson and Johnson, but think Johnson needs a minimum of one year in the A.  

 

[pastajoe]

  On 1/14/2022 at 5:28 PM, Pimlach said:

This looks like all prospects reach their peak with exception of Ryan Johnson.  

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I didn’t rank him higher because I haven’t seen him play and don’t know his strengths.

[Dreams Burn Down]

  On 1/14/2022 at 2:51 PM, dudacek said:

Dahlin - top pairing 

Power - projected top pairing

Jokiharju - top 4

Samuelsson - projected top 4

Johnson - projected 3-5

Bryson - 4-5

hagg/Pysyk/Miller - NHL 3rd pairing

Butcher/Fitzgerald - NHL spare

Prow/Schuldt/Davidson/Laaksonen - AHL depth

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I'm using the above as my template:

1st Line: Dahlin/Jokiharju

2nd Line: Power/Bryson

3rd Line: Samuelsson/Miller

4th Line: Hagg/Fitzgerald

The rest would look better as AHL depth to me.  Prow and Butcher are last resorts only.  It's a thin group to be sure, but it's just the beginning of this rebuild.  If KA does this correctly, there will be no shortcuts.

[pastajoe]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:11 PM, Dreams Burn Down said:

I'm using the above as my template:

1st Line: Dahlin/Jokiharju

2nd Line: Power/Bryson

3rd Line: Samuelsson/Miller

4th Line: Hagg/Fitzgerald

The rest would look better as AHL depth to me.  Prow and Butcher are last resorts only.  It's a thin group to be sure, but it's just the beginning of this rebuild.  If KA does this correctly, there will be no shortcuts.

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Miller going to be a UFA so he’s likely to be traded at the deadline this year. Possibly Butcher too if anyone wants him.

[bob_sauve28]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:52 PM, Let's Go B-Lo said:

And?

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Nothing. Sorry for being rude. 

[Thorner]

  On 1/14/2022 at 7:15 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

The solution is to move on from everyone not named Samuelsson, Dahlin and Jokiharju, add Power and find two veteran D who can actually play defense.  Want Psysk back on the 3rd pair ok maybe, but a minimum of one veteran real good in zone D is a necessity.

Ok, Curt?

 

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Edited January 14, 2022 by Thorny

[Thorner]

  On 1/14/2022 at 7:55 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

The truth about of D group is that they are simply bad.  As a group they are terrible at handling the four check and clearing the zone.  They get physically manhandled, make stupid passes and the stats reflect the issues.  They give up the 4th most shots per game and are near the bottom in high danger chances allowed.  If someone can find our opponents time is our zone, I’m also sure it near the bottom of the league. 
 

 

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Dude, I think you are forgetting - we *won* yesterday! 

[GASabresIUFAN]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:45 PM, Thorny said:

Dude, I think you are forgetting - we *won* yesterday! 

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Yeah.  We won yesterday. How did we do the 7 games before.  Blind squirrel.  

[Thorner]

  On 1/14/2022 at 11:01 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

Yeah.  We won yesterday. How did we do the 7 games before.  Blind squirrel.  

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It was mostly a joke. 

But it's nice to see the way they board gets after finding it. 

[inkman]

I like Jacob Bryson.  I’m not understanding how some of you rate him in their top 3.  His limitations in the Dzone are obvious every game. He’s 5’9” in skates.  His offense and skating do not off set his size enough.  

[Weave]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:41 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

The better question about our D is who in the current lineup would actually get ice time on a good team and where would they play.

Dahlin - would be a second pair player and PP QB

Jokiharju - 3rd pairing RHD

Bryson - 6 -7

Pysyk - 7th D

Hagg, Butcher, and Miller - none would see ice time on a good team.

Ultimately we have 2 guys who'd play for a good team. 2!  

I'm optimistic on Power, Samuelsson and Johnson, but think Johnson needs a minimum of one year in the A.  

 

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Except Miller saw regular ice time with two good playoff teams.

[inkman]

  On 1/15/2022 at 12:56 AM, Weave said:

Except Miller saw regular ice time with two good playoff teams.

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He’ll be a good trade deadline candidate 

[GASabresIUFAN]

  On 1/15/2022 at 12:56 AM, Weave said:

Except Miller saw regular ice time with two good playoff teams.

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That was then this is now.  Also in his second season with LV before he was traded to us his ice time diminished significantly and he was often in the pressbox because of his defensive lapses.

[Weave]

  On 1/15/2022 at 1:02 AM, inkman said:

He’ll be a good trade deadline candidate 

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He'll look alot better with a better cast around him.

Much like the rest of this roster.

[DarthEbriate]

  On 1/15/2022 at 1:08 AM, Weave said:

He'll look alot better with a better cast around him.

Much like the rest of this roster.

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He's #4 in ATOI for the Sabres. That's one pairing too high for a playoff team. However, I don't think Miller is going to garner a 2nd this year, which my standard deadline trade currency for a meaningful veteran rental. Maybe a 3rd... maybe.

[dudacek]

  On 1/15/2022 at 1:17 AM, DarthEbriate said:

He's #4 in ATOI for the Sabres. That's one pairing too high for a playoff team. However, I don't think Miller is going to garner a 2nd this year, which my standard deadline trade currency for a meaningful veteran rental. Maybe a 3rd... maybe.

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Right shot, playoff experience and can play the PP. All things GMs are usually trying to add at the deadline.

He should get a 3rd.

[DarthEbriate]

  On 1/15/2022 at 1:20 AM, dudacek said:

Right shot, playoff experience and can play the PP. All things GMs are usually trying to add at the deadline.

He should get a 3rd.

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I mean... we could always ship him for a 4th weeks in advance only to see another team deal him for a 2nd.

But, I don't think he's asked to be more than a 5/6 or depth on another roster. There will be tons of better rentals available this deadline.

[sabresparaavida]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:41 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

The better question about our D is who in the current lineup would actually get ice time on a good team and where would they play.

Dahlin - would be a second pair player and PP QB

Jokiharju - 3rd pairing RHD

Bryson - 6 -7

Pysyk - 7th D

Hagg, Butcher, and Miller - none would see ice time on a good team.

Ultimately we have 2 guys who'd play for a good team. 2!  

I'm optimistic on Power, Samuelsson and Johnson, but think Johnson needs a minimum of one year in the A.  

 

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Attached is the rankings by points for left handed dmen (couldn’t find a better way to sort which side they played on) Dahlin comes in at 14 on the list. He also has been playing a much more responsible game and has been playing like a first pairing guy. I can see the argument that he is a number 2, but I don’t really see the argument that he’s a 2nd pairing player. With better teammates, he’d likely be much higher on the stats sheet. I don’t think there’s a team out there with 3 better dmen than Dahlin, and there might not be a team out there with 2 better Dmen out there than Dahlin. 
 

Joki I view as a solid 2nd pairing guy, but his partner needs to also be a capable 2nd line guy for it to be an effective pairing. I agree that he does not belong on the first pairing. Miller is a fine 3rd pairing guy.

[JKB1646]

  On 1/14/2022 at 4:06 PM, bob_sauve28 said:

 

Winner!

 

*****

 

Here is the true list! 

Dahlin is alone at the top, for now. 

Joki and Pysyk occupy the second rank as good, solid, reliably, un-flashy but very valuable defenders. 

Bryson is just a notch below but (hopefully) getting better. 

Miller is good. Not sure why he is so hated. 

Hagg is serviceable, not a major liability and I would be happy to have him as a seventh defensemen 

Butcher is not so good,. 

I have no idea how good--or bad--Power and/or Johnson will be. Samuelson looked really good the brief time he was here, I'd probably rate him at Bryson level to start, but he obviously has an upside 

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[Indabuff]

-Dahlin

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-getting hit by a bus

-Butcher

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Indabuff