UPL Recalled

[DarthEbriate]

Sir! The odds of Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen pulling a Binnington is approximately 3,720 to 1.

[Digger]

3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Sir! The odds of Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen pulling a Binnington is approximately 3,720 to 1.

I agree with you but your post immediately made me think of Han Solo telling C3PO "Never tell me the odds".

[PerreaultForever]

10 hours ago, Hawerchuk said:

The Ducks line of Zegras, Milano and Rakell gave The Golden Knights huge problems a couple games ago. I don't think its gonna matter who's in net for the Sabres. Plus, Buffalo's Defense has been terrible as we've all seen. I'm taking Anaheim giving 2 goals on the point $pread tomorrow. They will easily cover that. 

Not to mention Troy Terry tearing it up this year. Imagine if we'd drafted him instead of Devante Stephens (or Borgen and Guhle for that matter). 

[ubkev]

11 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said:

I don't gamble personally, but it really has taken off of late. I guess most people just gamble what they can. but I wonder how big of a problem gambling addiction is in the country now? 

3.3 million Americans are problem gamblers. 

[Doohicksie]

4 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Sir! The odds of Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen pulling a Binnington is approximately 3,720 to 1.

Mr. Scott, fire up the Improbability Drive!

[Taro T]

8 hours ago, ubkev said:

3.3 million Americans are problem gamblers. 

Keeps you in business. 😉

 

[PromoTheRobot]

21 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said:

I don't gamble personally, but it really has taken off of late. I guess most people just gamble what they can. but I wonder how big of a problem gambling addiction is in the country now? 

Not only is it addictive, but it's only a matter of time before we find out about games being rigged by players or refs betting on games. Even leagues massaging outcomes. It's the beginning of the end IMO.

That said, I do enjoy dropping $10-20 on the odd game. I hate to admit it but I had such a bad feeling about the Bills I put a small wager on the Pats last night.

Edited December 7, 2021 by PromoTheRobot

[bob_sauve28]

21 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Not only is it addictive, but it's only a matter of time before we find out about games being rigged by players or refs betting on games. Even leagues massaging outcomes. It's the beginning of the end IMO.

They said, I do enjoy dropping $10-20 on the odd game. I hate to admit it but I had such a bad feeling about the Bills I put a small wager on the Pats last night.

LOL, I never bet, but I did see the over-under last night and thought 40 was way too high for this weather. I could of cashed in! 

 

And yes, only a matter of time before we find out something is being rigged. 

[bob_sauve28]

10 hours ago, ubkev said:

3.3 million Americans are problem gamblers. 

So, in 2018 the supreme court opened up gambling on the net (made it legal) so I *bet* that number increases. Those gambling TV commercials that show a guy who looks stoned on dopamine are kind of a shocker

[Doohicksie]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Not only is it addictive

I have never seen the allure of gambling.  I've been gambling a very small handful of times (like maybe 2 or 3, going to Vegas).  I put money toward something.  I quickly lost it all.  Some people call that entertainment.  I call it foolishness.  I just can't get how people can get beyond that level to get sucked in.  I've always understood that gambling is stacked against the gambler (the house has to make a profit after all), and that to get any good at gambling I would have to lose a lot before I was proficient and that even for the proficient, the odds are stacked against the gambler.  It just makes no sense to me.

[ubkev]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

Keeps you in business. 😉

 

[Marvin]

10 hours ago, The Ghost of Yuri said:

Mr. Scott, fire up the Improbability Drive!

Eddie, the Shipboard Computer, not Mr. Scott.  I presume you are Zaphod Beeblebrox having had too many Janx Spirits?

[Marvin]

18 minutes ago, The Ghost of Yuri said:

I have never seen the allure of gambling.  I've been gambling a very small handful of times (like maybe 2 or 3, going to Vegas).  I put money toward something.  I quickly lost it all.  Some people call that entertainment.  I call it foolishness.  I just can't get how people can get beyond that level to get sucked in.  I've always understood that gambling is stacked against the gambler (the house has to make a profit after all), and that to get any good at gambling I would have to lose a lot before I was proficient and that even for the proficient, the odds are stacked against the gambler.  It just makes no sense to me.

This is very complex and maybe should be taken to one of the side boards.

[msw2112]

22 hours ago, inkman said:

The thought of the Sabres winning hasn’t really entered my brain since LaFontaine left. 

As a player or front office executive?

[inkman]

7 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

As a player or front office executive?

Good question. Player. Totally forgot he was an exec.  

[Drag0nDan]

15 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Sir! The odds of Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen pulling a Binnington is approximately 3,720 to 1.

never tell me the odds!

1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said:

LOL, I never bet, but I did see the over-under last night and thought 40 was way too high for this weather. I could of cashed in! 

 

And yes, only a matter of time before we find out something is being rigged. 

I texted my friend who lives outside vegas to hammer that under.  

[inkman]

1 hour ago, The Ghost of Yuri said:

I have never seen the allure of gambling.  I've been gambling a very small handful of times (like maybe 2 or 3, going to Vegas).  I put money toward something.  I quickly lost it all.  Some people call that entertainment.  I call it foolishness.  I just can't get how people can get beyond that level to get sucked in.  I've always understood that gambling is stacked against the gambler (the house has to make a profit after all), and that to get any good at gambling I would have to lose a lot before I was proficient and that even for the proficient, the odds are stacked against the gambler.  It just makes no sense to me.

Thank you for perfectly stating my thoughts as well.  I don’t understand the allure.  Especially the lottery freaks.  I used to work in a store that had a lottery machine.  People would drop $40,$50 even $100+ A DAY on that *****.  Telling me how much they won.  I’d be shocked if those people had a dime to their name.  Just preying on the weak and impressionable.  Your dreams ain’t gonna be fulfilled from this machine dude.  I know that fo sho.  

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, inkman said:

Thank you for perfectly stating my thoughts as well.  I don’t understand the allure.  Especially the lottery freaks.  I used to work in a store that had a lottery machine.  People would drop $40,$50 even $100+ A DAY on that *****.  Telling me how much they won.  I’d be shocked if those people had a dime to their name.  Just preying on the weak and impressionable.  Your dreams ain’t gonna be fulfilled from this machine dude.  I know that fo sho.  

The lottery is pretty much a tax on below average IQs & addictive personalities, unfortunately.

Back when the car could get filled up for 12-15 bucks would drop the rest of the $20 "gas money" on scratchers.  As prices went up, lottery ticket purchases went down.  Honestly don't recall the last time a ticket was bought when filling up or at Wegmans.

Have only been to a casino a handful of times.  Usually play $20 on nickel or quarter slots.  The 1 time it ran out, stopped playing.  When ahead of that put the $20 aside & would only play with a portion of the "winnings."  When that's gone, all done.  Usually end up up $50-$70, which isn't much but will cover dinner.  Once ended up up a little over $100.  (Oh, boy! 😉 )

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Taro T

[SABRESfan]

46 minutes ago, inkman said:

Thank you for perfectly stating my thoughts as well.  I don’t understand the allure.  Especially the lottery freaks.  I used to work in a store that had a lottery machine.  People would drop $40,$50 even $100+ A DAY on that *****.  Telling me how much they won.  I’d be shocked if those people had a dime to their name.  Just preying on the weak and impressionable.  Your dreams ain’t gonna be fulfilled from this machine dude.  I know that fo sho.  

A friend of mine goes to Vegas and Atlantic City every chance he gets.  He sits at a poker table with a bunch of strangers who do their best to bluff and deceive each other out of money. Whoa!  What a great time.  He once missed his kids birthday because he couldn’t help himself but to go that weekend.  Going once in a while is one thing but when he isn’t there in person, he’s on some gambling app walking around always complaining about a hand.  He visited me out here on the west coast and couldn’t help himself but to go to a local casino.  Came back at 7 in the morning wired and I could tell he just wanted to go straight back but to his credit.. he didn’t.  It’s a sickness.  Nerves are shot, stress thru the roof, shakes, eye twitches.  All par for the course.  

[Marvin]

I have OCD and a somewhat addictive personality with a depression-heavy bipolar disorder.  I also have been thrown out of casinos for counting cards long before the MIT Poker team existed.

The rush from a win against the odds is very real.  When I won when the odds were against me but I played the percentages, I got a rush of neurotransmitters that is hard to describe; the closest I can come to is the Bills backing into the playoffs with help from the Bengals.  If I did not have the internal discipline to play my game against all distractions and to quit if I fell too far behind, I could easily see myself blowing wads of cash at the casino.  If I were really depressed, I could imagine every little win while I was losing my shirt would be very attractive.

I am very thankful that I have such discipline and that I channel these issues into being a good researcher and studious employee.

[Curt]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Not only is it addictive, but it's only a matter of time before we find out about games being rigged by players or refs betting on games. Even leagues massaging outcomes. It's the beginning of the end IMO.

This is a problem as old as organized sport.

Joe Schmoes now being able to bet online will not make rigging any more likely though.  Rigging is always organized by rich and powerful people.  They have been able to place bets all along.

The leagues will fight against any rigging though, their legitimacy depends upon it.

[Weave]

19 minutes ago, Curt said:

This is a problem as old as organized sport.

Joe Schmoes now being able to bet online will not make rigging any more likely though.  Rigging is always organized by rich and powerful people.  They have been able to place bets all along.

The leagues will fight against any rigging though, their legitimacy depends upon it.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting that little guys with money on the line will directly work to rig games.  More likely, the increased pool of money will further incentivize the rich and powerful people to rig outcomes.

So, sports will work just like politics. 🙈

[PromoTheRobot]

42 minutes ago, Curt said:

This is a problem as old as organized sport.

Joe Schmoes now being able to bet online will not make rigging any more likely though.  Rigging is always organized by rich and powerful people.  They have been able to place bets all along.

The leagues will fight against any rigging though, their legitimacy depends upon it.

That's the hope. But I wonder if outcomes are steered to achieve certain attractive matchups.

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

I have OCD and a somewhat addictive personality with a depression-heavy bipolar disorder.  I also have been thrown out of casinos for counting cards long before the MIT Poker team existed.

The rush from a win against the odds is very real.  When I won when the odds were against me but I played the percentages, I got a rush of neurotransmitters that is hard to describe; the closest I can come to is the Bills backing into the playoffs with help from the Bengals.  If I did not have the internal discipline to play my game against all distractions and to quit if I fell too far behind, I could easily see myself blowing wads of cash at the casino.  If I were really depressed, I could imagine every little win while I was losing my shirt would be very attractive.

I am very thankful that I have such discipline and that I channel these issues into being a good researcher and studious employee.

How did the Casino know you were counting cards especially if the stakes were not exorbitant? Or were they?

[Marvin]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

How did the Casino know you were counting cards especially if the stakes were not exorbitant? Or were they?

Low stakes.  But if you can count cards, it is relatively easy to tell who counts cards.  You can see the odds shift and the player's strategy shifts accordingly.  And even if you are only passable at counting cards like I am, you can tell roughly how good the other card counters are.

They throw you out because your stack slowly grows while everyone else is losing.  They aren't making money off you and you are pissing off other players.  That's why 1 person has a limited life at a casino.  Teams who can play-act wild betting (when one person joins a table when another teammate at the table indicates the odds are heavily skewed) will be big winners and can get away with it potentially indefinitely.