How have the Sabres offended you today?

[PromoTheRobot]

I figured we could use a catch-all thread for the insults, missteps, faux pas and slaps in the face this franchise commits on a regular basis. Vent your spleens here.

[Zamboni]

This forum is very allergic to most catch all threads … so good luck 😂

[Marvin]

I am offended that the Sabres make me like this thread.

[LabattBlue]

What we really need is a thread for super fans(at least in their own minds) who can be judge, jury and executioner, and who will decide when the Sabres should be criticized and when they should not.  

[Weave]

Ah, yes.  You know we are in the heart of hockey season when PromoTheRobot starts bashing Sabres fans.  It's like the swallows returning to Capistrano.

[Eleven]

2 minutes ago, Weave said:

Ah, yes.  You know we are in the heart of hockey season when PromoTheRobot starts bashing Sabres fans.  It's like the swallows returning to Capistrano.

C'mon.  This one is funny.

[Weave]

1 minute ago, Eleven said:

C'mon.  This one is funny.

I think a Sabres fan looking down his nose at other Sabres fans is the funny part.

[Marvin]

The Sabres have stunk for 10 years.  Like it or not, vitriol and skepticism are to be expected.  Anyone here remember all the bitterness over on The Stadium Wall at Two Bills Drive during The Drought?  We are in the NHL version of that.

Having said that, I have no sympathy for anyone who wanted The Tank.  Writing as someone who had junk thrown at me at the arena for rooting for the Sabres to win those years, my attitude is more like @PromoTheRobot.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

The Sabres have stunk for 10 years.  Like it or not, vitriol and skepticism are to be expected.  Anyone here remember all the bitterness over on The Stadium Wall at Two Bills Drive during The Drought?  We are in the NHL version of that.

Having said that, I have no sympathy for anyone who wanted The Tank.  Writing as someone who had junk thrown at me at the arena for rooting for the Sabres to win those years, my attitude is more like @PromoTheRobot.

I used to lose my mind over the Bills and Sabres. But one day I just decided there's no fun in being miserable. So I don't take it as seriously anymore. Bills are great now. And I'll get enjoyment from seeing any improvement in the Sabres.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:

This offends me. This is his old one that wasn't good enough.  It costs half to 4/5 of an annual Jack Eichel salary just to operate each year. It cost the salary cap to build. $58 nosebleeds on a holiday to watch Vinny Hinostroza. F this tool.

https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/top-five/

 

You know it's his money. And he is losing plenty of it now. 

[Doohicksie]

3 hours ago, Zamboni said:

This forum is very allergic to most catch all threads … so good luck 😂

Are you kidding?  We're addicted to them like crack.  Just look at the Trade Speculation thread.

[SwampD]

23 minutes ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:

This offends me. This is his old one that wasn't good enough.  It costs half to 4/5 of an annual Jack Eichel salary just to operate each year. It cost the salary cap to build. $58 nosebleeds on a holiday to watch Vinny Hinostroza. F this tool.

https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/top-five/

 

Pretty sure he only got around $17-18 million for it, though.

They lose like $20 million as soon as you drive them off the lot.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:

Then he can stop asking for more of yours while he's busy asking for 1.5 billion more of yours for his other toy.

I'm not asking for his money. I'm just not giving him mine

Can I ask you a question? Do you believe that as the owner of these teams, Terry Pegula is obligated to operate his teams at a loss? 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:

If he doesn't want to own it then sell it. I seriously don't care. The difference between a decent RoR trade and what we got was the operating expenses for his old yacht. Ask me how much of an actual ***** I give about the operating expenses for his yacht.

How obligated am I to continue to spend money on tickets for a garbage product over the span of a decade plus? All of that has been a loss. How long do I need to continue?

I was actually taking about the Bills too. Is Terry obligated to run the Bills at a loss?

And what about a new Sabres owner. Would you expect them to operate at a loss? What if the Sabres are still a few years away from being good? Do you expect a new owner to cover all losses until you decide to to a game?

[PromoTheRobot]

That's fine. And I agree. They are mostly just toys for Billionaires. So I ask you again: is a sports team owner obligated to run their team at a loss?

[SwampD]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That's fine. And I agree. They are mostly just toys for Billionaires. So I ask you again: is a sports team owner obligated to run their team at a loss?

They aren't obligated to own the team, so the question is somewhat irrelevant.

[Zamboni]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That's fine. And I agree. They are mostly just toys for Billionaires. So I ask you again: is a sports team owner obligated to run their team at a loss?

I think it’s a poor question because you insist on using the word “obligated”.

[Eleven]

23 minutes ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:

Here's the other reason, any of his losses for the Sabres, Bills, or any of his other businesses become tax write offs to help offset the massive amount he makes in capital gains every year. Stop acting like any amount they lose on the Sabres negatively impacts them in any way. It doesn't. At all.

Oh for crying out loud.  This is a reach from Buffalo all the way to freaking Beijing.

[SwampD]

4 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Oh for crying out loud.  This is a reach from Buffalo all the way to freaking Beijing.

C'mon, Eleven. Where is the reach?

I heard that Terry uses the losses of running Sabres to put him in a lower tax bracket so that his take home pay is actually higher.

Edited November 21, 2021 by SwampD

[PromoTheRobot]

43 minutes ago, SwampD said:

They aren't obligated to own the team, so the question is somewhat irrelevant.

This is not an answer to my question.

 So what I'm getting is that anyone who owns a team must be comfortable with running at a loss out of civic duty. If you don't want to lose money, don't own a team.

[PromoTheRobot]

47 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

I think it’s a poor question because you insist on using the word “obligated”.

What word would you use? 

[Pimlach]

Well, today my daughter decorated her Christmas tree.  She texted me a picture -  the first ornament up was a Ryan Miller Sabres ornament, as usual.  She came of age with that group that came up from Rochester, plus Briere, Drury, Lindy, RJ, etc.   

She does not follow them anymore.  So, I guess that bothers me, but it does not offend me.  What does is when I see 7,000 people at games when there was a time you could not get a ticket, you had to know someone.  The perpetual bad moves made by the ownership offend me.    

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:

Then he can stop asking for more of yours while he's busy asking for 1.5 billion more of yours for his other toy.

I'm not asking for his money. I'm just not giving him mine

But your giving him a lot of time.  

[SABRES 0311]

They have not offended me today but the day is young.

The past decade is a different story.

[Pimlach]

11 hours ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:

Terry will spend more on operating his boat this year than he will spend on Caggiula, Cozens, Asplund, Thompson, Hinostroza, Ruotsalainen, Hagg, and Pysyk combined. How much money are we postulating they lose on the club right now? 20M a year? 30? 40? Let's be silly and say it's 40M a year. With absolutely no other revenue streams a person with 5B in wealth can sustain those losses for 125 years.  125 years.  For perspective, that loss is the equivalent to $1,200 for a person making 150k a year.  I lose way more on hockey as a percentage of my income every single year without getting the Sabres involved at all.  The median income in Erie County is 58k. The equivalent loss for that level of income is $464.  It's the equivalent of an average person buying an XBox. How much do I really need to care about that for Terry?  

We all know Terry has plenty of other revenue streams and honestly probably isn't losing 40M a year on the Sabres either. They don't have an obligation to do anything but lets not pretend that any part of that dynamic pricing crap is necessary or that it's the fans fault for not showing up. Screw that. This is Terry's fault for running a proud franchise into the ground and if he doesn't want to run it properly and doesn't want to stomach losses that he created through his own incompetence than he should sell it and buy a different toy to ruin. It's not about civic duty either.  You bought something, it has operating expenses, just like the boat. You either pay those operating expenses or the boat falls apart.  A hockey team has expenses. We as the public are kind enough to help offset those expenses by agreeing to come watch the team someone else owns. When the team sucks and sucks for a long time the public isn't willing to off-set those expenses but they still exist.  There is no ROI on a yacht and owning a hockey team isn't a revenue generating venture every year and if you bought it expecting it to be one you should sell it because it's not.

I think we get it - you are choosing a financial boycott.  

He tried spending money to buy a better team, remember?   Are you looking for more players like Lieno, Moulson, and Ehrhard?   That’s what you will get right now if you throw money at this team.  NO VETERAN NHL PLAYER WORTH ANYTHING WANTS TO PLAY HERE.  Even if they did spend more, a team has to be built by developing their own core of players  and building a strong farm that keeps feeding the team, then you finish it free agents.  When your a contender you will have vets willing to play for you if there is the opportunity to win.  Those  are the players you want.  Buy a bunch of free agents now and tie up your cap, the you lose your young corps -   You don’t want that.  
 

His problem is not his wealth or his lifestyle.  He has invested a lot in the city and he has taken some profits too. Maybe not many, I do not know.   His problem has always been that he does not know who to listen to or who to hire.  In the NHL he is still outside looking in.  

I guess you can continue your boycott of tickets and hope that  Adams is the right guy.  That is what most people are doing. 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Pimlach