Potential Sabres deadline moves(sellers)…

[GASabresIUFAN]

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/seravalli-20-trade-targets-in-play-as-market-heats-up/

Top 20 trade targets.  This was posted a few weeks ago.  Some interesting names.  No RHDs (of course) but I'd definitely be interested in Georgiev in goal.  

Also a THW article from Dec with the obvious Sabres trade pieces.  https://thehockeywriters.com/sabres-top-trade-chips-2022-deadline-miller-butcher/  It would be interesting if KA trades Anderson once he's healthy for something.  

With the dearth of RHD who will be available at the deadline, does KA trade Pysyk? How big does the offer have to be?  

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by GASabresIUFAN

[PerreaultForever]

I was looking over the standings today (which I rarely do) and I don't think we will be able to move much of anybody as there will be too many clear sellers at this deadline. Only the Pacific division has a bunch of close teams, the rest is going to pretty much decided between the ins and outs and that means everybody out selling. Don't see any of our lot being all that desirable in that scenario. 

[dudacek]

8 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I was looking over the standings today (which I rarely do) and I don't think we will be able to move much of anybody as there will be too many clear sellers at this deadline. Only the Pacific division has a bunch of close teams, the rest is going to pretty much decided between the ins and outs and that means everybody out selling. Don't see any of our lot being all that desirable in that scenario. 

I worry about the same thing, but not for the same reasons.

I see cap preventing teams from adding the type of depth guys we will be selling.

Miller was the surest bet, but his injury clouds that. 

I’m very interested in whether or not Olofsson fits into their long-term plans.

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I worry about the same thing, but not for the same reasons.

I see cap preventing teams from adding the type of depth guys we will be selling.

Miller was the surest bet, but his injury clouds that. 

I’m very interested in whether or not Olofsson fits into their long-term plans.

I don't see what Sabre player has value in the market. As you point out Miller is hurt diminishing what value he ever had. I still believe that Olofsson is dealing with the effect of his injury. He simply isn't close to what he was since he came back from his injury. Because of his diminished play he has little value and because he may be impaired because of an injury I would be reluctant to part with him. 

I'm more intrigued with what the organization does in the offseason than what happens at the trade deadline. That's where there will be opportunities to add some useful pieces to this rebuilding roster. 

[Taro T]

9 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I was looking over the standings today (which I rarely do) and I don't think we will be able to move much of anybody as there will be too many clear sellers at this deadline. Only the Pacific division has a bunch of close teams, the rest is going to pretty much decided between the ins and outs and that means everybody out selling. Don't see any of our lot being all that desirable in that scenario. 

Expect there's more value to be had for a team like the Sabres to collect the vig from laundering other team's trades that don't quite work w/out some adjustments than from selling their own soon to be UFA's.

Miller, if he's healthy, and Hinestroza are the only 2 potential good rentals.  Maybe somebody will desperately want a backup faceof specialist or Caggiula, but not expecting much for either.

[thewookie1]

Colin Miller to me is a must trade if healthy for this deadline. No reason to keep him unless everyone only low balls you. 
 

Laundering MAF’s eventual trade would also be a good way to pick up an asset.

Perhaps Giroux as well

[GASabresIUFAN]

First of all cap space is the least of our issues.  We can retain salary and or take a player to make deals work and to enhance the draft pick we receive. 

Vinnie is going to have a huge market.  How many guys will be on the market scoring at a nearly 40 pt pace with a price tag of just a few hundred K left on his deal? 

 

[PerreaultForever]

8 hours ago, dudacek said:

I worry about the same thing, but not for the same reasons.

I see cap preventing teams from adding the type of depth guys we will be selling.

Miller was the surest bet, but his injury clouds that. 

I’m very interested in whether or not Olofsson fits into their long-term plans.

Absolutely. The only deadline deals of note will have to involve salary retention and maybe even 3rd party brokers taking on an additional salary chunk. 

GMs are going to have to be very creative for sure. An example would be a 3 way type deal say the Flyers move Giroux, Bruins need a 2C, Philly takes on half his salary and maybe we give them back that Risto 2nd rounder, we retain half of the remaining half and move him to Boston for DeBrusk and Philly gets Boston's 1st rounder plus fringe details around that to make it legal. Like that. It can be done, but it definitely requires lots of creativity and piles of money getting eaten by somebody.

Let's see if KA is any good.

[Marvin]

51 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Absolutely. The only deadline deals of note will have to involve salary retention and maybe even 3rd party brokers taking on an additional salary chunk. 

GMs are going to have to be very creative for sure. An example would be a 3 way type deal say the Flyers move Giroux, Bruins need a 2C, Philly takes on half his salary and maybe we give them back that Risto 2nd rounder, we retain half of the remaining half and move him to Boston for DeBrusk and Philly gets Boston's 1st rounder plus fringe details around that to make it legal. Like that. It can be done, but it definitely requires lots of creativity and piles of money getting eaten by somebody.

Let's see if KA is any good.

Question: in your opinion, what would be required for the Sabres to be the 3rd party to retain on a contract with multiple years remaining?

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

Question: in your opinion, what would be required for the Sabres to be the 3rd party to retain on a contract with multiple years remaining?

It would have to be only 2 years. And a hefty asset

[Brawndo]

It wouldn’t surprise me if they approach Anderson and ask if He is interested in being moved to a contender at the deadline, especially if His Small Sample Size continues 

Edited January 30, 2022 by Brawndo

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

Question: in your opinion, what would be required for the Sabres to be the 3rd party to retain on a contract with multiple years remaining?

I'm not sure what you mean. In the example I gave Giroux has a hefty contract but he's a ufa next year. Otherwise, as Wookie said, 2 years max and a decent asset(s) in return. 

[Taro T]

27 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if they approach Anderson and ask if He is interested in being moved to a contender at the deadline, especially if His Small Sample Size continues 

Interesting thought.  

Especially if they could have somebody younger in mind to be teamed w/ UPL for next season.

[Marvin]

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I'm not sure what you mean. In the example I gave Giroux has a hefty contract but he's a ufa next year. Otherwise, as Wookie said, 2 years max and a decent asset(s) in return. 

Thanks.  The assets being kicked around are "project" prospects and later picks for up to 4 years of retention for Buffalo since we should not expect the Sabres to get out of the basement before 2025.  So you disagree with the parameters in those reports -- as do I.

[nfreeman]

In order for a team to give up a real asset to dump, say, a $6MM cap hit for 2 seasons after this one, it would have to be:

- a team that thinks it’s pretty close to a Cup run,

- a team that is capped out,

- a team that has a big move for a difference-making player lined up that just requires that cap space to close the deal,

- a team with sufficient picks/prospects to acquire both that player and the cap space AND

- a team whose GM/owner don’t mind selling future assets to take a big swing in the present.

I haven’t done anything like a full analysis on this, but I’d guess there are less than a half-dozen teams that meet those criteria.  

[LGR4GM]

Any player that would be on the Sabres cap in 2023 they aren't gonna retain. We're talking about a ufa getting trading, Buffalo gets a 3rd to retain as the 3rd team in a deal. 

[PerreaultForever]

Well I think any of the teams with aging superstars are in that possible category (eg. Pittsburgh, Boston). Doubt younger teams like the Rangers would. But it's always an arms race isn't it? If one adds a big name there's pressure to match. There's a real gap this year though between the top and the bottom. That mess of teams competing for the wild card spots just isn't there, especially in the east. The top 8 now is most likely the top 8 come playoff time. 

[dudacek]

20 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well I think any of the teams with aging superstars are in that possible category (eg. Pittsburgh, Boston). Doubt younger teams like the Rangers would. But it's always an arms race isn't it? If one adds a big name there's pressure to match. There's a real gap this year though between the top and the bottom. That mess of teams competing for the wild card spots just isn't there, especially in the east. The top 8 now is most likely the top 8 come playoff time. 

Always thought this was a myth.

Krieder 29, Panarin 30, Zibanejad 28, Strome 28, Goodrow 28, Trouba 27 — that's 6 of their 7 leading scorers.

They have a nice group of youngsters too, but the Rangers best window is now.

 

[LGR4GM]

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

Always thought this was a myth.

Krieder 29, Panarin 30, Zibanejad 28, Strome 28, Goodrow 28, Trouba 27 — that's 6 of their 7 leading scorers.

They have a nice group of youngsters too, but the Rangers best window is now.

I think the Rangers are living in a bubble bolstered by goaltending. 

[Flashsabre]

A healthy Anderson would be the best trade chip by far. Teams will be freaked out about goalie depth this season. A vet playoff goalie playing well with a minimum salary would be gold for some playoff contenders.

Edited January 30, 2022 by Flashsabre

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, dudacek said:

Always thought this was a myth.

Krieder 29, Panarin 30, Zibanejad 28, Strome 28, Goodrow 28, Trouba 27 — that's 6 of their 7 leading scorers.

They have a nice group of youngsters too, but the Rangers best window is now.

 

I'd disagree with that. Yes, they have some high end vets, but they're building a young core with that. 2 or 3 years from now they might be in the win now or never mode but right now I think they're happy to be where they are and aren't going to sell the farm for a run this year. 

I think we will be dealing with the Rangers as a top team for many years in a row now. They have the goalie, they have the talent, they have the coach, they have young talent with the old, they aren't going to go away easily. 

[Norcal]

One month from today.

Is Miller getting close to returning? 

Anderson going? 

Anybody else? A surprise perhaps?

Sabres buying anything? Contracts for draft picks?

So many questions and usually the same answers. No, Maybe, Nah, Nope, Hahaha.

It would be a nice change to see some yes around here. 

 

 

[Taro T]

17 minutes ago, Norcal said:

One month from today.

Is Miller getting close to returning? 

Anderson going? 

Anybody else? A surprise perhaps?

Sabres buying anything? Contracts for draft picks?

So many questions and usually the same answers. No, Maybe, Nah, Nope, Hahaha.

It would be a nice change to see some yes around here. 

 

 

So sad, Trade Deadline Day used to be one of the best days of the year.

For over a decade now it has brought nothing but an even worse team for the final month of the season.

Maybe next year it goes back to being fun?

[mjd1001]

I think Hagg could get you a 4th or 5th rounder possibly..Pysyk maybe a 3rd or 4th.  The question is, would the Sabres take that?  They might just think the little chance a 4th or 5th rounder has of turning into a regular NHL player 3-4 years from now might not be worth taking a guy of the roster that can help the young guys this year (even if only helping a little tiny bit)

[Zamboni]

I think Pysyk stays another year. Haag, Miller, Butcher, and Bjork won’t.