Sabres Trade for Johnny Boychuk’s Contract

[Curt]

21 minutes ago, Weave said:

It may have been more of a favor to us.  We needed to hit the cap floor.

If it had actually been $6M in real salary, it would have been a much bigger favor to NYI.

[Rasmus_]

I'm fine with this, gets us over the cap floor and is just the one year.  Shrugs, it's just a transfer of paper.

[Thwomp!]

Playing footsie with the cap floor all season is fun.  Trade deadline should be magical.  Spend the money on real players, Terry!

[DarthEbriate]

Back in 2013-14, the Islanders had 79 points. They had a young core led by Tavares, Okposo, Anders Lee, and Brock Nelson all between ages 23-26. They needed defense. They went and got Boychuk the vet and Nick Leddy the younger guy. Voila. Both immediately top-4 capable. The Isles totally stabilized and have been good ever since (minus one off year that cost Capuano his job and led to Barry Trotz) and only recently moved on from both players. In addition to a goaltender, we need this type of move this coming offseason. We need established D to join Samuelsson, Power, Dahlin, and Joker. We may have to trade for one of them because we don't necessarily want to sign them for both for 7 years in UFA and not be able to afford 2nd contracts on the kids.

Essentially, we need the next Boychuk.

Note: I suppose one of these veteran D could be Hagg. But we need at least 1 really good veteran D, preferably with some grit/net-clearing/tenacity too to help out all these young guys who are primarily viewed as puck-mover/offense types (minus Samuelsson).

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Back in 2013-14, the Islanders had 79 points. They had a young core led by Tavares, Okposo, Anders Lee, and Brock Nelson all between ages 23-26. They needed defense. They went and got Boychuk the vet and Nick Leddy the younger guy. Voila. Both immediately top-4 capable. The Isles totally stabilized and have been good ever since (minus one off year that cost Capuano his job and led to Barry Trotz) and only recently moved on from both players. In addition to a goaltender, we need this type of move this coming offseason. We need established D to join Samuelsson, Power, Dahlin, and Joker. We may have to trade for one of them because we don't necessarily want to sign them for both for 7 years in UFA and not be able to afford 2nd contracts on the kids.

Essentially, we need the next Boychuk.

Note: I suppose one of these veteran D could be Hagg. But we need at least 1 really good veteran D, preferably with some grit/net-clearing/tenacity too to help out all these young guys who are primarily viewed as puck-mover/offense types (minus Samuelsson).

This is a great take.

Next year we will have Dahlin, Jokiharju, Bryson, Samuelsson and probably Power and Johnson in our top 8.

The need to round that out with 2 veteran D-men who can play D.

 

[carpandean]

On 11/4/2021 at 9:41 PM, LGR4GM said:

I don't think it actually does. I've never seen the NHL enforce this. 

And how could they?  The next time the two teams make a deal, they show what the deal would have been without the 'future considerations' part? 

Unless there's a line on the fax form for what those amounted to in the deal, it's just a theoretical concept.

 

[JohninMinn.]

On 11/4/2021 at 5:51 PM, inkman said:

You can say that again

What the hell happened???🤪

[GASabresIUFAN]

On 11/5/2021 at 10:58 PM, dudacek said:

This is a great take.

Next year we will have Dahlin, Jokiharju, Bryson, Samuelsson and probably Power and Johnson in our top 8.

The need to round that out with 2 veteran D-men who can play D.

 

I said in the off-season we needed two good veteran stay at home D to pair with our offensive D.  Instead we got Butcher, Pysyk and Hagg.  Hagg and Pysyk are ok in that role but DG has them playing together and the rest of the D is getting destroyed of late.  Dahlin needs a defensive first partner.  Why is this so hard for our management to figure this out.

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I said in the off-season we needed two good veteran stay at home D to pair with our offensive D.  Instead we got Butcher, Pysyk and Hagg.  Hagg and Pysyk are ok in that role but DG has them playing together and the rest of the D is getting destroyed of late.  Dahlin needs a defensive first partner.  Why is this so hard for our management to figure this out.

Agreed. And it might have to be for more than a single season (i.e., after one year we jettisoned Hank the Tank because clearly Myers was ready to be on his own, except he wasn't). And while we want the stud defensive/all-around D to be the young guy (the Leddy), it could be OK for next season for it to be an older retread who was a key cog on a contender's blue line but has been chased out by finances. The analytics folks will cry foul, but sometimes the Tallinder is the right play. Or, recently Hjalmarsson or Stralman. Not them now, obviously, as they're going into their later 30s. But you're looking for the guy who's just past 30 who won't break the bank because he's not a playoff hero or an offensive D, but he's got plenty of playoff experience.

The Brayden McNabb type (edit: as a UFA), if you will. (Edit: and maybe then Hagg re-signs as a 3rd pairing guy.)

Edited November 8, 2021 by DarthEbriate

[dudacek]

54 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Agreed. And it might have to be for more than a single season (i.e., after one year we jettisoned Hank the Tank because clearly Myers was ready to be on his own, except he wasn't). And while we want the stud defensive/all-around D to be the young guy (the Leddy), it could be OK for next season for it to be an older retread who was a key cog on a contender's blue line but has been chased out by finances. The analytics folks will cry foul, but sometimes the Tallinder is the right play. Or, recently Hjalmarsson or Stralman. Not them now, obviously, as they're going into their later 30s. But you're looking for the guy who's just past 30 who won't break the bank because he's not a playoff hero or an offensive D, but he's got plenty of playoff experience.

The Brayden McNabb type (edit: as a UFA), if you will. (Edit: and maybe then Hagg re-signs as a 3rd pairing guy.)

IMO, management is much more interested in seeing what Bryson/Joki/Dahlin can learn and do with increased responsibility than in propping them up.

They re also far more interested in using their capital on drafting more Ryan Johnsons and re-signing more Henri Jokiharjus than investing it in Craig Rivets and Robin Regehrs.

 

[Brawndo]

Adams was on the Instigators the Day of the trade they point blank asked Him about Wil Borgen since He had not appeared in a game for the Kraken Yet. Adams just smiled as a response, obviously he couldn’t comment 

[Taro T]

13 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Adams was on the Instigators the Day of the trade they point blank asked Him about Wil Borgen since He had not appeared in a game for the Kraken Yet. Adams just smiled as a response, obviously he couldn’t comment 

Which was a silly question to ask on camera because he knows and Duff (or was it Biron?, the last 3 weeks are a blur) also knows that he CAN'T answer that Q.

[inkman]

15 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Adams was on the Instigators the Day of the trade they point blank asked Him about Wil Borgen since He had not appeared in a game for the Kraken Yet. Adams just smiled as a response, obviously he couldn’t comment 

Does this mean Kevyn is waiting for them to put him through waivers? 

[Brawndo]

Just now, inkman said:

Does this mean Kevyn is waiting for them to put him through waivers? 

I think that the reason He hasn’t been put through waivers 

[inkman]

2 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

I think that the reason He hasn’t been put through waivers 

Sigh. He would easily be a top 4 dman with this band of wispy puck movers. 

[Taro T]

3 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

I think that the reason He hasn’t been put through waivers 

Agreed.  And doubt anybody is trading for him, so he's stuck in the press box until there's a couple of D-men injuries (all the D that started the year on IR are back) or the Krackers really want to look at a D-man on the farm.

3 minutes ago, inkman said:

Sigh. He would easily be a top 4 dman with this band of wispy puck movers. 

IF Dahlin really is their top D-man (very debatable at present), he's not just top 4, he's top pairing.

[Hoss]

Boychuk will not make his debut tonight

[kas23]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Adams was on the Instigators the Day of the trade they point blank asked Him about Wil Borgen since He had not appeared in a game for the Kraken Yet. Adams just smiled as a response, obviously he couldn’t comment 

It wouldn’t matter. It’s past Nov 1st and waiver order is no longer based on last season’s record. 

[Taro T]

8 minutes ago, kas23 said:

It wouldn’t matter. It’s past Nov 1st and waiver order is no longer based on last season’s record. 

It doesn't matter where the Sabres are in the order if they are the only team making a claim.

Seattle doesn't want to lose him for free to anybody, not just the Sabres.  But knowing the Sabres want him back is why they won't waive him down.  Others might put in a claim, the Sabres almost definitely will.

[Andrew Amerk]

Are there Boychuk jerseys available at the Sabres store yet?

[dudacek]

5 hours ago, Brawndo said:

I think that the reason He hasn’t been put through waivers 

Patience.

3 hours ago, The Ghost of NS said:

Are there Boychuk jerseys available at the Sabres store yet?

Patience.

[PromoTheRobot]

16 hours ago, The Ghost of NS said:

Are there Boychuk jerseys available at the Sabres store yet?

Are they planning a retirement ceremony honoring his tenure as a Sabre?

Edited November 9, 2021 by PromoTheRobot

[Thorner]

20 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Adams was on the Instigators the Day of the trade they point blank asked Him about Wil Borgen since He had not appeared in a game for the Kraken Yet. Adams just smiled as a response, obviously he couldn’t comment 

“We got him?! We got Will Borgen?!”

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Are they planning a retirement ceremony honoring his tenure as a Sabre?

I'm curious if he'll get a brick

[Doohicksie]

On 11/4/2021 at 8:03 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

I care because it’s part of running an organization intelligently.  One of the reasons we have so often failed is that we spent money stupidly.  Getting a 6 mill cap hit for only 500k (insurance covering the rest) is good business and shows a competent approach to running the franchise. 

I have been very vocal on how poorly KA has done, but honestly his decisions of late with the help of his new management team have been vastly improved and this is just the latest example.  

I was also impressed with how he discussed how he utilized his team to help execute the Jack trade.

Even his acquisitions last year weren't awful in the context of making a run in an effort to keep Jack from wanting a trade.  It didn't work, but on paper it looked pretty good. If Jack plays injury-free all year long and/or doesn't dog it to force a trade, we might be looking at a whole different scenario.  Last year was just plain cursed.

But even back then, signing Reinhart to only a one year deal shows he was looking at some turnover from what the Sabres had become.

Basically Kevyn delayed (mostly) his rebuild for a year to try to make a run at keeping Jack, perhaps at the request of ownership.