Mittelstadt and Jokiharju Out for ~2 Weeks (Edit: ~2 Months?!)

[Weave]

  On 11/11/2021 at 5:09 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

Slightly off topic, but aren’t the players and the teams that employ them sick of wrist injuries to key players.  

It’s long past for the NHL to crack down on the stick fouls.  It’s also time to get better equipment.  When I played the gloves ran further up the wrist.  Today’s do little to protect that area.  Maybe’s it time to extend the glove or develop a strap on wrist protector. 

We have lost our top forward for months because of a cheap play that wasn’t even but should have been called a penalty.  It’s just another example of  more NHL BS.

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NHLPA BS too.  I’ll never understand why the players union isn’t all over real player safety issues.

[Taro T]

  On 11/11/2021 at 5:09 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

Slightly off topic, but aren’t the players and the teams that employ them sick of wrist injuries to key players.  

It’s long past for the NHL to crack down on the stick fouls.  It’s also time to get better equipment.  When I played the gloves ran further up the wrist.  Today’s do little to protect that area.  Maybe’s it time to extend the glove or develop a strap on wrist protector. 

We have lost our top forward for months because of a cheap play that wasn’t even but should have been called a penalty.  It’s just another example of  more NHL BS.

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The problem is, especially for the offensively gifted players, the players claim that having gloves w/ full wrist coverage affects their stickhandling ability.  And the issue goes back at least to the mid-90's.  Lemieux missed playoff action due to a slash across the wrist similar to the play on Mittelstadt.

And since playmaking & scoring is what gets guys paid, unless somebody invents a wrist protector that doesn't seem to perceptibly  affect movement or the player safety committee forces the wearing of gloves with the longer wrist collars like they did w/ helmets & then visors; nothing will get done.

[Randall Flagg]

This is the same team that told us they were aiming for Jack to play in the home stretch of last season, Jack who had surgery TODAY that will keep him out an additional 3 months. They do this every year and it's really getting annoying. When are these players coming back. 

[pi2000]

  On 11/13/2021 at 4:21 AM, Randall Flagg said:

This is the same team that told us they were aiming for Jack to play in the home stretch of last season, Jack who had surgery TODAY that will keep him out an additional 3 months. They do this every year and it's really getting annoying. When are these players coming back. 

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Olofsson too, Granato expected him to be in the lineup against Seattle, that was over a week ago.

[Randall Flagg]

  On 11/13/2021 at 4:23 AM, pi2000 said:

Olofsson too, Granato expected him to be in the lineup against Seattle, that was over a week ago.

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Didn't even realize that, jeez

Has anyone ever asked Adams or another GM or a coach why they do this? It is foreboding, if they get timetables so wrong are they diagnosing and treating incorrectly too?

[North Buffalo]

  On 11/13/2021 at 4:40 AM, Randall Flagg said:

Didn't even realize that, jeez

Has anyone ever asked Adams or another GM or a coach why they do this? It is foreboding, if they get timetables so wrong are they diagnosing and treating incorrectly too?

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Who knows, did they do an MRI... who is looking at the images... was it a specialist or gp... can make a big deal. 

[Wyldnwoody44]

  On 11/13/2021 at 4:50 AM, North Buffalo said:

Who knows, did they do an MRI... who is looking at the images... was it a specialist or gp... can make a big deal. 

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These guys get Carte Blanche when it comes to tests and treatments, there are some GP's that are also Sports Med docs that work for the team, but they also have very very good surgeons basically on retainer for these guys. 

I know a handful of them, and they are very good at their jobs. I wonder if it's less misdiagnosis and more PT/physio treatment that is lacking in this process. Hard to say and I don't want to point fingers as injuries can nag past timetables, especially in elite athletes. 

[MISabresFan]

Eeriliey similar to Jack's injury last year...

[Curt]

  On 11/14/2021 at 2:48 PM, MISabresFan said:

Eeriliey similar to Jack's injury last year...

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Yeah, sort of, but it’s been a trend with Sabres injuries going back 3-4 years.  The initial reports always seem to underplay the severity and the updates never seem accurate (if we get any at all).

[K-9]

I get that it’s frustrating not to know the injury statuses and timetables for return to the lineup, but really, what does that information get us as fans? Will it help us manage our anxiety better? I doubt it because we will insist on being anxious over something else.

[Trettioåtta]

  On 11/14/2021 at 4:03 PM, K-9 said:

I get that it’s frustrating not to know the injury statuses and timetables for return to the lineup, but really, what does that information get us as fans? Will it help us manage our anxiety better? I doubt it because we will insist on being anxious over something else.

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Can’t you extend that logic to any part of sports? Like we have no control over anything the Sabres do, so what benefit is it for us to know what the cap hit of a player is? Or what’s the lines will be that night? Or what a player was traded for?

Knowing these things allows of engagement with the sport, which is part of the fun.

[K-9]

  On 11/14/2021 at 4:10 PM, Trettioåtta said:

Can’t you extend that logic to any part of sports? Like we have no control over anything the Sabres do, so what benefit is it for us to know what the cap hit of a player is? Or what’s the lines will be that night? Or what a player was traded for?

Knowing these things allows of engagement with the sport, which is part of the fun.

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I don’t think all things we have no control over are created equal, but you’re right, none of it benefits us as fans in any tangible way. And by all means, enjoy the fun. 

[bob_sauve28]

  On 11/14/2021 at 4:03 PM, K-9 said:

I get that it’s frustrating not to know the injury statuses and timetables for return to the lineup, but really, what does that information get us as fans? Will it help us manage our anxiety better? I doubt it because we will insist on being anxious over something else.

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But, seriously, if I knew what the problem was with the players, I think  I could help. 

Im not a doctor or anything, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night 

[pi2000]

  On 11/14/2021 at 4:03 PM, K-9 said:

I get that it’s frustrating not to know the injury statuses and timetables for return to the lineup, but really, what does that information get us as fans? Will it help us manage our anxiety better? I doubt it because we will insist on being anxious over something else.

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It's an indication of the quality of medical personnel.   If they say a guy is out 2 weeks maybe they try too aggressively to rehab and cause further damage.

[tom webster]

I haven’t read the whole thread so someone may have covered this hut a lot of this is pain threshold and player agent driven. Agents do not want their clients playing until they are one hundred percent.

[Thorner]

  On 11/14/2021 at 6:59 PM, tom webster said:

I haven’t read the whole thread so someone may have covered this hut a lot of this is pain threshold and player agent driven. Agents do not want their clients playing until they are one hundred percent.

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This sort of proves the "Jack's agents were donkeys" proposition 

[K-9]

  On 11/14/2021 at 6:35 PM, pi2000 said:

It's an indication of the quality of medical personnel.   If they say a guy is out 2 weeks maybe they try too aggressively to rehab and cause further damage.

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I can’t agree with that because if the initial assessment is off and they reevaluate the situation, then that suggests the medical personnel are on top of it. Injuries, especially soft tissue injuries, are always a fluid situation. 

[pi2000]

  On 11/14/2021 at 10:29 PM, K-9 said:

I can’t agree with that because if the initial assessment is off and they reevaluate the situation, then that suggests the medical personnel are on top of it. Injuries, especially soft tissue injuries, are always a fluid situation. 

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I get your point, but.... this team has a history with misdiagnosed injuries.... maybe they told Olofsson he should be OK, he puts in a full practice then can't get out of bed the next day.... that's concerning.

[Doohickie]

  On 11/15/2021 at 1:55 AM, pi2000 said:

he puts in a full practice then can't get out of bed the next day.... that's concerning.

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Maybe Jack should have been shut down before the season started last year.  Maybe his disc was already disintegrating.

[North Buffalo]

  On 11/14/2021 at 12:04 PM, Wyldnwoody44 said:

These guys get Carte Blanche when it comes to tests and treatments, there are some GP's that are also Sports Med docs that work for the team, but they also have very very good surgeons basically on retainer for these guys. 

I know a handful of them, and they are very good at their jobs. I wonder if it's less misdiagnosis and more PT/physio treatment that is lacking in this process. Hard to say and I don't want to point fingers as injuries can nag past timetables, especially in elite athletes. 

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True and even for old guys they nag... like my wife... er I didn't say that... difference is pain tolerance and ability to play through stuff as well if playing makes injury worse... always hard to tell.  But agreed PT guys may an issue.  I have worked with a few and you can tell the really good ones v the the decent ones.  Played the best hockey of my life after working with one for six months who was awesome... post covid she is no longer at the gym I go to... the others are decent but just not as good.

[Brawndo]

No  Mittlestadt, Olofsson, Anderson or Jokiharju at practice this AM 

[Brawndo]

 

[Flashsabre]

I just want to see a little run with Anderson back in net and Mitts, VO, Tuch and Joker added to this group. That is a 1st line, top pairing D and starter out and they still battle every game. 

[bob_sauve28]

  On 11/15/2021 at 5:08 PM, Brawndo said:

 

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Nothing on Anderson? 

[Mustache of God]

  On 11/15/2021 at 5:16 PM, bob_sauve28 said:

Nothing on Anderson? 

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"He’s a goaltender, and this affects his goaltending. He can do everything else, but when it comes to goaltending, it’s affecting him."