Dreger: Eichel situation may be shifting, multiple teams involved

[nucci]

why wait so long to release his medical records?

[GASabresIUFAN]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:19 PM, nucci said:

why wait so long to release his medical records?

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HIPAA for example.

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:19 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

Then what are you reporting but a rumor given to you to an unknown source.  This is on the same level as Eklund, aka garbage (e5).

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Bingo. Much of what we are getting is being spoonfed by Brisson to Dreger and Friedmann.

[That Aud Smell]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:20 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

HIPAA for example.

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I'm not sure whether HIPAA would restrict the team from disclosing his medicals -- the Sabres are not a HIPAA-governed entity and his medicals, in this instance, may not qualify as protected health information.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

  On 10/6/2021 at 12:10 PM, jsb said:

Dang, news I can use plus the yankees lost, this is turning into a great week for me.

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I have no use for the damn Yankees and even less for the dastardly Red Sox, but I am happy they beat the Yankees.  One step at a time.

GO RAYS, or whoever ...

[Stoner]

  On 10/6/2021 at 11:50 AM, That Aud Smell said:

Are we gonna have a new thread for every new Dreger of Friedman Tweet re Eichel?

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I wouldn't have known about it otherwise, so yeah.

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:25 PM, PASabreFan said:

I wouldn't have known about it otherwise, so yeah.

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Threads are not an endangered resource.

[GASabresIUFAN]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:24 PM, That Aud Smell said:

I'm not sure whether HIPAA would restrict the team from disclosing his medicals -- the Sabres are not a HIPAA-governed entity and his medicals, in this instance, may not qualify as protected health information.

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I don't think sports teams are exempt from HIPAA.  That said, the CBA also likely has terms if and when player medical records can be disclosed to other teams.  The player also likely has a say when his records can be disclosed and to whom.  Hard to speculate when we really don't know.

[That Aud Smell]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:26 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

I don't think sports teams are exempt from HIPAA.  

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As a rule, employers are not governed by HIPAA; health care providers are.

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:26 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

That said, the CBA also likely has terms if and when player medical records can be disclosed to other teams.  The player also likely has a say when his records can be disclosed and to whom. 

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It's probably right that the CBA has something to say about it. And the player may have rights under state law regarding the privacy of those records. My sense all along had been that the Sabres were the ones who didn't want his medicals out there -- that Eichel's camp wanted more of an open-book approach. But maybe that was a mistaken impression.

[SHAAAUGHT!!!]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:23 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

Bingo. Much of what we are getting is being spoonfed by Brisson to Dreger and Friedmann.

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This is the most likely scenario, but that bodes the question as to "why" is it being spoon fed to the press at this time.  IMO it is to get other teams worried that a competing team is getting ready to pull the trigger on a trade after reviewing the updated medical records the Sabres recently shared. 

So I think this move is a tactic to nudge a team towards a trade for Eichel.  Hopefully it works in the Sabres favor...

[klos1963]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:20 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

HIPAA for example.

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I'd have to think Eichel would ok the release to facilitate a trade. This just seems like poor strategy on the Sabres part. Of course no team would trade for anyone without seeing the medical records of someone who needs major surgery.

[nucci]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:20 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

HIPAA for example.

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what has changed?

[ubkev]

 

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:57 PM, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

This is the most likely scenario, but that bodes the question as to "why" is it being spoon fed to the press at this time.  IMO it is to get other teams worried that a competing team is getting ready to pull the trigger on a trade after reviewing the updated medical records the Sabres recently shared. 

So I think this move is a tactic to nudge a team towards a trade for Eichel.  Hopefully it works in the Sabres favor...

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Why? To get threads like this going.

 

 

[Brawndo]

The Sabres did not want to release His Health Records until teams agreed the parameters of a deal. This was going no where fast, so once Brisson got involved records release became more expended 

[Scottysabres]

He's still here?

 

[Sabres Fan in NS]

  On 10/6/2021 at 2:47 PM, Scottysabres said:

He's still here?

 

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Maybe ?????

No one really seems to know.

[nucci]

  On 10/6/2021 at 2:41 PM, Brawndo said:

The Sabres did not want to release His Health Records until teams agreed the parameters of a deal. This was going no where fast, so once Brisson got involved records release became more expended 

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The Sabres thought teams would do this without knowing his medical condition?

[Brawndo]

They still might be trying, From 32 Thoughts with Friedman

2. On Eichel: there is a real push to find a solution, because Eichel’s displaced disc can’t be allowed to just sit on the nerve. He is going to need a procedure sooner rather than later. What’s helped is he’s getting his own MRIs, so he and his representatives can share proper information. That’s a big deal. More difficult to answer is whether or not he is traded first or gets surgery, returns to health and plays games for the Sabres to regain his trade value. No one will go on record, but there is a growing belief there are teams willing to accept Eichel’s preferred disc replacement. However, you have to be able to make the trade first. There’s definitely a push to get him healthy — which should be the number-one priority.

 

 

Jack is gathering His Own Info and MRIs so they can be shared without the Sabres Permission it appears 

[GASabresIUFAN]

  On 10/6/2021 at 3:49 PM, Brawndo said:

They still might be trying, From 32 Thoughts with Friedman

2. On Eichel: there is a real push to find a solution, because Eichel’s displaced disc can’t be allowed to just sit on the nerve. He is going to need a procedure sooner rather than later. What’s helped is he’s getting his own MRIs, so he and his representatives can share proper information. That’s a big deal. More difficult to answer is whether or not he is traded first or gets surgery, returns to health and plays games for the Sabres to regain his trade value. No one will go on record, but there is a growing belief there are teams willing to accept Eichel’s preferred disc replacement. However, you have to be able to make the trade first. There’s definitely a push to get him healthy — which should be the number-one priority.

 

 

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You go Jack.  Release your records, go get the surgery you want and let the chips fall where they may.  

[bob_sauve28]

  On 10/6/2021 at 3:49 PM, Brawndo said:

They still might be trying, From 32 Thoughts with Friedman

2. On Eichel: there is a real push to find a solution, because Eichel’s displaced disc can’t be allowed to just sit on the nerve. He is going to need a procedure sooner rather than later. What’s helped is he’s getting his own MRIs, so he and his representatives can share proper information. That’s a big deal. More difficult to answer is whether or not he is traded first or gets surgery, returns to health and plays games for the Sabres to regain his trade value. No one will go on record, but there is a growing belief there are teams willing to accept Eichel’s preferred disc replacement. However, you have to be able to make the trade first. There’s definitely a push to get him healthy — which should be the number-one priority.

 

 

Jack is gathering His Own Info and MRIs so they can be shared without the Sabres Permission it appears 

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That's what I was thinking. We I snapped two ligaments in my knee they told me surgery was best right away. I'd just guess that is the situation with neck injuries too 

[K-9]

  On 10/6/2021 at 2:41 PM, Brawndo said:

The Sabres did not want to release His Health Records until teams agreed the parameters of a deal. This was going no where fast, so once Brisson got involved records release became more expended 

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Thank you. Someone needs to explain this to the idiot Mike Stephens. 

[SabresVet]

  On 10/6/2021 at 12:14 PM, bob_sauve28 said:

Get us a good goalie and a decent physical defenseman and a few high draft picks, please. 

This could save the season 

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You've got to be kidding.

Teams don't draft for straight need and they shouldn't be expending their best assets (especially when healthy) for the same return.

This is a trade for more than just about this season or even next. 

[kas23]

  On 10/6/2021 at 1:24 PM, That Aud Smell said:

I'm not sure whether HIPAA would restrict the team from disclosing his medicals -- the Sabres are not a HIPAA-governed entity and his medicals, in this instance, may not qualify as protected health information.

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They pay the physicians who have examined Jack, so are not unlike a 3rd party payer, who is a HIPAA-governed entity. I’m sure there is language within the CBA in regards to this. However, this is a moot point, because if Jack wanted to get traded, he would easily just sign a HIPAA release form. Poof, other team physicians would have his records. 

[kas23]

  On 10/6/2021 at 3:49 PM, Brawndo said:

They still might be trying, From 32 Thoughts with Friedman

2. On Eichel: there is a real push to find a solution, because Eichel’s displaced disc can’t be allowed to just sit on the nerve. He is going to need a procedure sooner rather than later. What’s helped is he’s getting his own MRIs, so he and his representatives can share proper information. That’s a big deal. More difficult to answer is whether or not he is traded first or gets surgery, returns to health and plays games for the Sabres to regain his trade value. No one will go on record, but there is a growing belief there are teams willing to accept Eichel’s preferred disc replacement. However, you have to be able to make the trade first. There’s definitely a push to get him healthy — which should be the number-one priority.

 

 

Jack is gathering His Own Info and MRIs so they can be shared without the Sabres Permission it appears 

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Dr Friedman has it wrong. If there was nerve impingement, this is a indication for expedited surgery, not something you wait on for 8 months.