What do you expect from: #71 Victor Olofsson?

[Brawndo]

Here is one for you 

 

[Curt]

46 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Because his salary will price him out.  If you’re making 4M or more, you need to be in the top six. Unless he’s willing to sign for a short term…which I don’t think is in the best interest of a player who doesn’t hit UFA status until age 28.  The Sabres cap flexibility will cease to be a thing in two seasons when Dahlin and Tage need long term deals and Muel/Cozens need bridge deals.  
 

Plus there’s that whole idea of a good goalie who isn’t on an ELC or 750k contract. 

But go project out the future contracts.

Its far from a forgone conclusion that 3 years from now, Olofsson making $5M will prohibit the Sabres from doing anything.

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Because his salary will price him out.  If you’re making 4M or more, you need to be in the top six. Unless he’s willing to sign for a short term…which I don’t think is in the best interest of a player who doesn’t hit UFA status until age 28.  The Sabres cap flexibility will cease to be a thing in two seasons when Dahlin and Tage need long term deals and Muel/Cozens need bridge deals.  
 

Plus there’s that whole idea of a good goalie who isn’t on an ELC or 750k contract. 

Why?  The Sabres have a $6 mill guy on the 4th line.  We need almost $18 in spending this year to just get us to the cap floor, $ 38 million for the current ceiling.  Giving $5 to VO is a step in that direction and on a 4 year deal, we'll get his prime years.  We shouldn't bounce up against the ceiling for at least 5 years.  

Don't be so locked in to 1, 2, 3 & 4th lines.  KA isn't building the team that way.  He is building a team of depth and matchups.  The Tuch, Skinner, TNT line is No. 1 right now, but if you noticed DG is also breaking them up mid game.  We have seen recently all 3 other lines have big games.  Z scored 2 against Wpg. VO had 2g and 1a against Chicago and has 8 goals in his last 15 games.  Krebs had a goal and an assist last night. Cozens had two helpers in both the Chi and Nash games, while Mitts had 2 against the Rags and 6 points in his last 7 games.  Everyone is contributing that has made the difference in March.  

Edited April 2, 2022 by GASabresIUFAN

[LGR4GM]

Sign him unless you can trade him for a player who is 20, 21, 22, or 23.

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Here is one for you 

 

TNT vs ROR?

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, Curt said:

But go project out the future contracts.

Its far from a forgone conclusion that 3 years from now, Olofsson making $5M will prohibit the Sabres from doing anything.

Extend him. Even a slight overpay won’t hurt in the next 2 seasons. We can bridge some folks and bring back Okposo on a lighter deal if the money is a concern. But VO will have value on a TDL market if we’re good but not good enough in a few seasons. 
What I don’t want to do is just give his spot to Quinn when Quinn has had issues staying healthy and Okposo could move or succumb to injuries. 
I view VO as a transitional Kotalik... specialist who’s going to be in the bottom 6 when we’re good. And that has immense value. 

[Porous Five Hole]

Apparently most disagree. But the guy leads the team with a -19 and I don’t think 20 goals should cost five million dollars on your third line 🤷

He will also be 28 next year at UFA time the end of next year and I don’t want to give term to that player.

[steveoath]

3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

TNT vs ROR?

A is Tage

B is 19-20 Eichel

[PerreaultForever]

I'm fine with keeping him, but he needs a massive pay cut. About half of what he makes now. At this point, I think Hinostroza is the better player and I would re-sign him first. Better value there imo and a solid placeholder for the next 2-3 years as prospects develop.  The way things are looking they will need to put a fair chunk aside for the 2023/24 RFAs to keep things well balanced. 

[nfreeman]

2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I'm fine with keeping him, but he needs a massive pay cut. About half of what he makes now. At this point, I think Hinostroza is the better player and I would re-sign him first. Better value there imo and a solid placeholder for the next 2-3 years as prospects develop.  The way things are looking they will need to put a fair chunk aside for the 2023/24 RFAs to keep things well balanced. 

C’mon.  You don’t really mean this, right?  Just exaggerating to make a point about not overpaying to keep VO?

[SDS]

7 hours ago, nfreeman said:

C’mon.  You don’t really mean this, right?  Just exaggerating to make a point about not overpaying to keep VO?

The two of them do completely different things. I don’t know why someone would compare them.

[PerreaultForever]

The operative word is "compare", while the point is the value to the team. 

In terms of what they bring for what they are paid, I would rather sign Vinnie for a few more years and play him than pay VO. Now if VO takes a huge pay cut that analysis changes. 

Keep in mind in 50 games Vinnie has 11 goals and in 60 games VO only has 4 more and he's had PP time despite 3 times the salary. Vinnie has a higher scoring percentage and Victor's plus minus is the worst on the team. 

I do not see VO as an important part of the future. 

[dudacek]

In the NHL, you score, you get paid. I would surprised if you could find an arbitration-eligible player who has produced as much as Victor has the past 3 years who signed for less than $4 million per, especially with term. You can find many who got more.

Victor has averaged close to 24 goals and 54 points per 82 games over his career.

He had 14 points in his first 14 games this year, and 11 in his past 15. And he had 10 in 30 in between. 

Does the middle 30 represent a red flag, or an opportunity to sign him for less than what he’s worth?

[sabresparaavida]

22 minutes ago, dudacek said:

In the NHL, you score, you get paid. I would surprised if you could find an arbitration-eligible player who has produced as much as Victor has the past 3 years who signed for less than $4 million per, especially with term. You can find many who got more.

Victor has averaged close to 24 goals and 54 points per 82 games over his career.

He had 14 points in his first 14 games this year, and 11 in his past 15. And he had 10 in 30 in between. 

Does the middle 30 represent a red flag, or an opportunity to sign him for less than what he’s worth?

I don’t think the middle 30 games is a red flag, he was playing through injury, but we are too thin and had enough injuries, where Oloffson at half or a third of his production was still one of our best 12 F at the time.

[LGR4GM]

So...

[HumanSlinky39]

Not just keep...KEEP.

[woods-racer]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

So...

Sew buttons zippers are faster...

He's playing into some money. He's playing a *bet on me to keep this up* deal. 

 

[nfreeman]

They need to keep him.  He’s a good player who adds a lot of value when healthy.  And notwithstanding their nice stretch of recent play they are not overflowing with scorers.

He turns 27 this summer and has one more season until UFA.  I don’t want them to crazy with his contract, but I would be fine with $4.5MM x 4 years.  

[dudacek]

46 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

They need to keep him.  He’s a good player who adds a lot of value when healthy.  And notwithstanding their nice stretch of recent play they are not overflowing with scorers.

He turns 27 this summer and has one more season until UFA.  I don’t want them to crazy with his contract, but I would be fine with $4.5MM x 4 years.  

That’s a good team-friendly contract for a 25-goal scorer.

And that’s what Victor is. I’m putting more stock into the rest of his career than the middle 30 games of this year.

(Actually saw some emotion on the winner tonight)

[GASabresIUFAN]

Vic has 9g 5a in his last 17 games.  Anyone still want him traded?  

[Doohicksie]

8 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Vic has 9g 5a in his last 17 games.  Anyone still want him traded?  

I'm very impressed by the assists.  Granato called out his play on the power play leading to Cozens' goal.  I went back and watched:

• Olofsson down in the corner, drawing Canes to himself, passes through to Krebs on the opposite wall
• As the penalty killers collapse low and Joker rotates from the left to the right point, Olofsson jumps up to the left point to fill the gap.  Sound defensively but also gives him distance form the PKers
• Krebs finds him up there with a lot of space around.  He does a shot/pass toward the slot and Cozens does the rest (but even if he didn't Tuch and Krebs were crashing the crease)

Donny said Olie made several "subtle" moves prior to the Cozens goal.  What it really is, is the whole PP unit function as a unit and Olofsson doing his part.  To me though the subtle part is where, instead of setting up of a shot at the top of the circle, he slides all the way back to the point which gives him way too much time to shoot/pass the puck.  Two defenders skate out to cover him, giving the Sabres overwhelming odds down low.

On that goal and the Skinner goal, it seemed like the Sabres manipulated the tendency of the Canes to pursue hard on defense into over-pursuit which led to Grade A scoring chances.  The Mitts goal too was the result of over-pursuit (3 Canes collapsed on Asplund before he passed off to a wide-open Mitts near the boards), although I don't think you could say Asplund goaded them into it.

[Richard Noggin]

59 minutes ago, dudacek said:

That’s a good team-friendly contract for a 25-goal scorer.

And that’s what Victor is. I’m putting more stock into the rest of his career than the middle 30 games of this year.

(Actually saw some emotion on the winner tonight)

Not to mention he showed some jam prior to that play, even bodying a guy off the puck (the color guy, was it Roenick?, oddly referenced VO's imposing size?) 

[French Collection]

As we’ve mentioned before, add Quinn, JJP and Power to the mix and they could have two potent PP units.

[Zamboni]

Recency bias:

a common distorting effect within systems of performance appraisal. It refers to the appraiser assessing employee performance, not on work undertaken across the full performance management cycle, but only on recent events or activities that can be readily recalled. Recency bias can be countered by keeping a record of appraisee performance over the full period of work that is being appraised.

 

😬

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 hours ago, woods-racer said:

Sew buttons zippers are faster...

He's playing into some money. He's playing a *bet on me to keep this up* deal. 

 

I was thinking the same thing, but I would have added “so zip it.”