Buffalonill Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 9:04 PM, SwampD said: You're a blockhead. Expand You just said ( Did they get good because they were bad?) Look who they drafted 1 Quote
inkman Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 This place is testing my limits of tolerance for stupidity 2 2 1 Quote
mjd1001 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:55 PM, SwampD said: 25th, 25th, 45th Those are the draft positions of the best line in hockey. You draft well throughout all rounds and develop well. You don't get worse to get better. Period. And you certainly don't keep trying that when it doesn't work time after time. That's just ***** stupid. Expand I don't even know who those players are you are referring to, and I'm not going to cherry pick a 'line' or certain players on a team. Lets keep it very simple. Take a look at the top 10 scorers in the NHL last season and see what was the position overall in the draft they were taken: 1, 3, 71, 4,10,1,1,1,7,1. So, of the top 10 scorers, 5 of them were first overall picks. 7 of them top 5 overall picks. Every single one except for 1 was a top 10 overall pick. Looks to me like high draft picks are a good place to start. Oh, and 6 of the last 8 years....8 of the last 12 years....the cup winning team had a first overall pick on it that was a major part of the team (and in most cases, several top 10 picks). EVERY single one of those teams that won the cup had at least a top 5 overall pick and in most cases more than 1 top 5 pick. 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 @SwampDlooks like @mjd1001 agrees Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:11 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: They did that in 2015 and look were it got us. The cherry on top was they tried it out in 2014 and look where that got us. Once again, with emphasis ... BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER!! Expand The mistake wasn’t the tank itself, it was how TM used the assets from the tank. For example we traded away our organizational depth and he failed to draft well. He also used the key assets on acquiring malcontents and injury players like Kane, Bogo, ROR and Lehner. We have never recovered. On 9/23/2021 at 7:06 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: You are not helping me in dealing with our friend here ... lol!! You are definitely helping me deal with out resident tankster ... lol!! Expand Sorry! 1 1 Quote
SwampD Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 9:23 PM, mjd1001 said: I don't even know who those players are you are referring to, and I'm not going to cherry pick a 'line' or certain players on a team. Lets keep it very simple. Take a look at the top 10 scorers in the NHL last season and see what was the position overall in the draft they were taken: 1, 3, 71, 4,10,1,1,1,7,1. So, of the top 10 scorers, 5 of them were first overall picks. 7 of them top 5 overall picks. Every single one except for 1 was a top 10 overall pick. Looks to me like high draft picks are a good place to start. Oh, and 6 of the last 8 years....8 of the last 12 years....the cup winning team had a first overall pick on it that was a major part of the team (and in most cases, several top 10 picks). EVERY single one of those teams that won the cup had at least a top 5 overall pick and in most cases more than 1 top 5 pick. Expand It was Boston's top Line. How can you guys continue to miss the point? Go over the rosters of all teams, even losing teams. They all have just as many if not more 1st overall picks on them and many top five picks. Look at the Sabres FFS! Last year we had 2 1st and 3 2nd OAs. Collecting early draft talent does not ensure winning. 3 1 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 5:59 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: Rebuild vs Tank. We are rebuilding in general. However, KA is clearly tanking this season in order to draft a replacement for Eichel. No other way to explain pivoting from Ullmark to Anderson/Dell. This is going from playoff caliber goaltending to AHL level goaltending. Expand I will hold the handling of Ullmark against KA. He should have traded him last deadline. 1 Quote
Taro T Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 10:31 PM, PromoTheRobot said: I will hold the handling of Ullmark against KA. He should have traded him last deadline. Expand Agree w/ the 1st part. But he either needed to give him a longer deal last summer or a legit offer this summer. Quote
K-9 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 9:22 PM, inkman said: This place is testing my limits of tolerance for stupidity Expand You say that like it’s a new phenomenon around here. 2 Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 10:31 PM, PromoTheRobot said: I will hold the handling of Ullmark against KA. He should have traded him last deadline. Expand I don't remember it was so long ago but wasn't he injured? Quote
Curt Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 9:04 PM, SwampD said: You're a blockhead. Expand That’s not nice. 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 11:57 PM, Curt said: That’s not nice. Expand He could be right because is I lost a simple vet that Aaron would have over 300 yd the 1st game .. Now I have to eat the one ship challenge go me Quote
Andrew Amerk Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 1:34 PM, PromoTheRobot said: The stripping of captaincy didn't need to be this public. Expand Neither did his displeasure with the team in his post season presser. 4 1 Quote
Curt Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 12:06 AM, Buffalonill said: He could be right because is I lost a simple vet that Aaron would have over 300 yd the 1st game .. Now I have to eat the one ship challenge go me Expand Ive gotta be honest. I didn’t really understand any of that. 1 2 Quote
inkman Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 This feels like it should be the onion not the most credible source of hockey info out there 2 Quote
mjd1001 Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 9:49 PM, SwampD said: It was Boston's top Line. How can you guys continue to miss the point? Go over the rosters of all teams, even losing teams. They all have just as many if not more 1st overall picks on them and many top five picks. Look at the Sabres FFS! Last year we had 2 1st and 3 2nd OAs. Collecting early draft talent does not ensure winning. Expand But NOT collecting early draft talent usually means you AREN'T going to win big. And as far as Bostons top line being the best? I don't agree and many others don't agree. Let me bottom line it for you. Collecting early draft talent may not ENSURE winning, but it sure as hell gives you a better chance than teams that don't have it. Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 12:25 AM, Curt said: Ive gotta be honest. I didn’t really understand any of that. Expand Its ok im drunk Quote
Andrew Amerk Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 1:02 AM, Buffalonill said: Its ok im drunk Expand We have plenty of functioning alcoholics on here that do much better. 2 Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 1:25 AM, Andrew Amerk said: We have plenty of functioning alcoholics on here that do much better. Expand K Quote
Andrew Amerk Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 1:45 AM, Buffalonill said: K Expand Maybe consider AA Quote
Doohicksie Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 10:31 PM, PromoTheRobot said: I will hold the handling of Ullmark against KA. He should have traded him last deadline. Expand Yep. A miscalculation. On the other hand, what would have have gotten for an expiring UFA? He should have gotten something if he knew Ullmark was leaving, but it wouldn't have been a first rounder or a roster player. Once he passed that gate though, I think he did the right thing by not giving Ullmark the $/term it would have taken to keep him. This year may be a challenge in goal but there are prospects in the system and this is a year for growth, not contention. Additionally, if Ullmark made it clear (after the trade deadline) he didn't want to be here, well KA is jettisoning the malcontents anyway. Bye bye. Quote
Taro T Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 1:47 AM, Andrew Amerk said: Maybe consider AA Expand Would've expected his toys take AAAs. Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 1:47 AM, Andrew Amerk said: Maybe consider AA Expand That's for people that have a problem .. When you have kids you'll understand Quote
Doohicksie Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 1:25 AM, Andrew Amerk said: We have plenty of functioning alcoholics on here that do much better. Expand On 9/24/2021 at 12:43 AM, inkman said: This feels like it should be the onion not the most credible source of hockey info out there Expand Just like the Onion, it's funny because deep down it's true. Quote
Doohicksie Posted September 24, 2021 Report Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 12:12 AM, Andrew Amerk said: Neither did his displeasure with the team in his post season presser. Expand Quote
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