LabattBlue Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 6:24 PM, Doohickie said: I think you're going to find our goaltending will be much better than your expectations. Expand Define better? I’m guessing the team goaltending ends up bottom 5, maybe the very bottom. Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 5:59 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: Rebuild vs Tank. We are rebuilding in general. However, KA is clearly tanking this season in order to draft a replacement for Eichel. No other way to explain pivoting from Ullmark to Anderson/Dell. This is going from playoff caliber goaltending to AHL level goaltending. Expand You are not helping me in dealing with our friend here ... lol!! On 9/23/2021 at 6:14 PM, darksabre said: I firmly believe they expected to sign Ullmark and he pulled the rug out from under them. I like Linus, but he kinda effed the Sabres. They also aren't looking to "replace Eichel". They've already done so. They believe Cozens is going to be the number 1 center going forward. It could not be more clear. They will be bad this year, and will probably pick high. But there's no way picking 1st overall is the plan. It's just not entirely out of the question looking at where the roster is right now. The "let the kids drive it" philosophy will probably result in a bad team, but not on purpose. It's just the development philosophy they've agreed on. Expand You are definitely helping me deal with out resident tankster ... lol!! Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) On 9/23/2021 at 6:41 PM, Buffalonill said: With this years draft class with Franchise changing center and superstars do everything possible to be last Expand They did that in 2015 and look were it got us. The cherry on top was they tried it out in 2014 and look where that got us. Once again, with emphasis ... BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER!! Edited September 23, 2021 by New Scotland (NS) more goodly words ... 3 Quote
Gatorman0519 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 Ultimately Eichel did not want to be here. KA is repeating that mantra over and over about players “wanting to be here”. The injury was a perfect excuse to get out of town like several of the others. This is a unique situation where an established franchise needs a complete reboot. Quote
darksabre Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 6:56 PM, dudacek said: Agree wholeheartedly on the first. Disagree on the 2nd. As for the 3rd, I don’t think they are planning to finish last the way Tim Murray was, but they are expecting to be on the running and to have shot at a centre at least as good as Cozens in the process. Expand Sure. We're in a bit of a gray area here. People have gotten very obsessed with throwing the work tank around whenever a team looks like it'll be bad. This isn't a tank in the traditional sense, but it's not like they've got a team assembled that is unlikely to finish in the bottom 6. It's not a tank, they just aren't planning to be very good. The pressure is off the kids in this way. Fans won't be cheering for them to lose (I hope...) but there won't be an expectation that they'll win either. Just show up and put in the work. It'll be a lost season for anyone who expects the playoffs, and so people will just call it a tank instead I guess. 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:11 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: They did that in 2015 and look were it got us. The cherry on top was that tried it out in 2014 and look where that got us. Once again, with emphasis ... BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER!! Expand Thats the only way to bring talent here nowadays. We have 2022 and 2023 for a do over. Quote
SwampD Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:23 PM, Buffalonill said: Thats the only way to bring talent here nowadays. We have 2022 and 2023 for a do over. Expand No. It's not. And what does that second line even mean? 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:46 PM, SwampD said: No. It's not. And what does that second line even mean? Expand How do you bring elite talent? You have to draft and develop That 2022,2023 draft is a do over for 2014-2015 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:46 PM, SwampD said: No. It's not. And what does that second line even mean? Expand It's hopeless, Swamp. This guy is just the bees knees. I think it's not a very goodly way to say that the Sabres will have a great tankfest this season and will draft an elite centre at the top of the draft and if that does not work the Sabres can try again next season. *****!! Quote
SwampD Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) On 9/23/2021 at 7:48 PM, Buffalonill said: How do you bring elite talent? You have to draft and develop That 2022,2023 draft is a do over for 2014-2015 Expand 25th, 25th, 45th Those are the draft positions of the best line in hockey. You draft well throughout all rounds and develop well. You don't get worse to get better. Period. And you certainly don't keep trying that when it doesn't work time after time. That's just ***** stupid. Edited September 23, 2021 by SwampD 2 Quote
Taro T Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) On 9/23/2021 at 7:13 PM, Gatorman0519 said: Ultimately Eichel did not want to be here. KA is repeating that mantra over and over about players “wanting to be here”. The injury was a perfect excuse to get out of town like several of the others. This is a unique situation where an established franchise needs a complete reboot. Expand Still believe it was Adams who didn't want Eichel here & then Jack decided Kevyn was onto something there. Edited September 23, 2021 by Taro T 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:55 PM, SwampD said: 25th, 25th, 45th Those are the draft positions of the best line in hockey. You draft well throughout all rounds and develop well. You don't get worse to get better. Period. And you certainly don't keep trying that when it doesn't work time after time. That's just ***** stupid. Expand Tell that to avs,pens, kings, hawks ,lightning,leafs 1 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:55 PM, SwampD said: 25th, 25th, 45th Those are the draft positions of the best line in hockey. You draft well throughout all rounds and develop well. You don't get worse to get better. Period. And you certainly don't keep trying that when it doesn't work time after time. That's just ***** stupid. Expand What's the line? Awesome post. Quote
SabresVet Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:13 PM, Gatorman0519 said: Ultimately Eichel did not want to be here. KA is repeating that mantra over and over about players “wanting to be here”. The injury was a perfect excuse to get out of town like several of the others. This is a unique situation where an established franchise needs a complete reboot. Expand An established franchise? 31 other teams are relatively established except the Kraken. If you're a career-minded employee and your company is bottom quartile in their industry, should you stick around and miss out on being successful elsewhere? Quote
SwampD Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:58 PM, Buffalonill said: Tell that to avs,pens, kings, hawks ,lightning,leafs Expand Leafs still haven't won a playoff series and I notice that Edmonton is not on that list. Curious. In fact, the list of teams that didn't make your list is way longer. 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 8:04 PM, SwampD said: Leafs still haven't won a playoff series and I notice that Edmonton is not on that list. Curious. In fact, the list of teams that didn't make your list is way longer. Expand He said "You don't get worse to get better. Period" I could put Edmonton but they're just as Dysfunctional as us Quote
K-9 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 7:58 PM, Taro T said: Still believe it was Adams who didn't want Eichel here & then Jack decided Kevyn was onto something there. Expand Why do you suppose Adams didn’t want Eichel here? What occurred that prompted this view of the best player on the team? Quote
SwampD Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 8:10 PM, Buffalonill said: He said "You don't get worse to get better. Period" I could put Edmonton but they're just as Dysfunctional as us Expand Who he? Me he? Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 8:40 PM, SwampD said: Who he? Me he? Expand Sorry .. you Quote
Taro T Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 8:35 PM, K-9 said: Why do you suppose Adams didn’t want Eichel here? What occurred that prompted this view of the best player on the team? Expand Not sure why but that's what's been presented by usually reliable sources pretty much since last fall. Guess it's a combination of the injury history & attitude. Remember, though Adams wasn't a part of the team until last summer, he was around it for a long time. Quote
SwampD Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 8:43 PM, Buffalonill said: Sorry .. you Expand Did bad teams get good? Yes. Did they get good because they were bad? Absolutely not. That's ridiculous. They got good because they got good. Quote
K-9 Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 8:51 PM, Taro T said: Not sure why but that's what's been presented by usually reliable sources pretty much since last fall. Guess it's a combination of the injury history & attitude. Remember, though Adams wasn't a part of the team until last summer, he was around it for a long time. Expand Makes sense that Adams, being able to observe interactions among players, coaches, etc. over the years that he could have seen something he didn’t like. Brian Gionta was on a podcast a couple months ago and he was talking about the kind of people that were around the building and mentioned that some guys were just not good professionals, particularly when it came to respect for the trainers, equipment managers, various other building personnel,etc. Said they were complete pricks towards people at times. I assumed he was talking about the Kanes and Bogos of the world, but maybe it was other players as well. Quote
Buffalonill Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 8:55 PM, SwampD said: Did bad teams get good? Yes. Did they get good because they were bad? Absolutely not. That's ridiculous. They got good because they got good. Expand Yes the penguins,hawks and most recently the Avs proved this Quote
darksabre Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 8:51 PM, Taro T said: Not sure why but that's what's been presented by usually reliable sources pretty much since last fall. Guess it's a combination of the injury history & attitude. Remember, though Adams wasn't a part of the team until last summer, he was around it for a long time. Expand This is why I have maintained that if Jack is traded it will be because management wants him gone, not because he wants out. He might want out... but they've never been obligated to do that for him... Quote
SwampD Posted September 23, 2021 Report Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 9:02 PM, Buffalonill said: Yes the penguins,hawks and most recently the Avs proved this Expand You're a blockhead. Quote
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