Thorner Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: Quite a bit higher — 16th, and in the same tier "top of the lineup player" as the bolded. Hughes Zegras Cozens Lundell Byfield Dach Norris McTavish Suzuki Thomas Beniers Hischier McMichael Johnson Sillinger Seeing what Suzuki and Hischier are doing at the NHL level already, it's pretty promising. And personally I don't think of the last 3 guys as centres, myself That's an encouraging ranking then. What is Cozens tier, first liner? Should I keep asking questions? Should I subscribe to the Athletic? 1 Quote
dudacek Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Thorny said: That's an encouraging ranking then. What is Cozens tier, first liner? Should I keep asking questions? Should I subscribe to the Athletic? He's at the top of the 3rd tier "all-star/top of lineup bubble" Dahlin and Power are 2nd-tier "NHL all-star" Sure Absolutely Quote
dudacek Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 And Power is the highest-ranked player not in the NHL. Jake Sanderson is number 2, Quinn 11 Quote
Brawndo Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Thorny said: That's an encouraging ranking then. What is Cozens tier, first liner? Should I keep asking questions? Should I subscribe to the Athletic? Projected bubble NHL All-Star and top of the lineup player 15. Dylan Cozens, C, Buffalo Feb. 9, 2001 | 6-foot-3 | 180 pounds Drafted: No. 7 in 2019 Sept. 2021 Ranking: 15 Tier: Projected bubble NHL All-Star and top of the lineup player Skating: NHL average Puck skills: NHL average Hockey sense: NHL average Compete: Above NHL average Shot: Above NHL average Cozens is an easy prospect to support. He’s a big center who can skate and has very good skill with a scoring touch. He works hard off the puck and seems to have every attribute you want in a future top-line forward. The scoring hasn’t truly popped yet in the NHL but I think it will come with time. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Brawndo said: Projected bubble NHL All-Star and top of the lineup player 15. Dylan Cozens, C, Buffalo Feb. 9, 2001 | 6-foot-3 | 180 pounds Drafted: No. 7 in 2019 Sept. 2021 Ranking: 15 Tier: Projected bubble NHL All-Star and top of the lineup player Skating: NHL average Puck skills: NHL average Hockey sense: NHL average Compete: Above NHL average Shot: Above NHL average Cozens is an easy prospect to support. He’s a big center who can skate and has very good skill with a scoring touch. He works hard off the puck and seems to have every attribute you want in a future top-line forward. The scoring hasn’t truly popped yet in the NHL but I think it will come with time. I must be in the minority on Cozens because what I always see is + passing and avg. shot I suppose the playmaking falls under puck skills, right Quote
French Collection Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 34 minutes ago, dudacek said: Dahlin 7 Power 8 Cozens 15 Quinn 37 Krebs 45 Even though it is unbelievable to have 5 in the top 50, and I have no right complain, I am with LGR. There is no way I would take the likes of Kaliyev, Perfetti, and Guenther over Quinn, or Krebs for that matter. Peterka 86 Jokiharju 121 Johnson 151 Levi 160 And Levi at 160 will be among his biggest misses (Now taking off my fan-coloured glasses and acknowledging that his opinion and mine don't really matter much) Guenther is 19th in WHL scoring while Quinn is near the top of the AHL. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 Why does the NHL and people around it use terms more vague terms than the other leagues lol "Puck skills" "Compete" As a noun? Come on. 1 Quote
inkman Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, Thorny said: Why does the NHL and people around it use terms more vague terms than the other leagues lol "Puck skills" "Compete" As a noun? Come on. I can’t stand the use of compete as a noun. So many better words that don’t make you sound like a dolt when used. 1 Quote
dudacek Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, inkman said: I can’t stand the use of compete as a noun. So many better words that don’t make you sound like a dolt when used. Ted Nolan's impact on hockey vernacular will not be denied. Quote
NAF Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 Anyone watch the Americans enough to give a report on Laaksonen? I see he's putting up a pretty decent point total -- could we expect to see him in the NHL pretty soon? Quote
dudacek Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NAF said: Anyone watch the Americans enough to give a report on Laaksonen? I see he's putting up a pretty decent point total -- could we expect to see him in the NHL pretty soon? I don't think Laaksonen will be an NHLer. He is at the AHL level what the biggest Dahlin-haters accuse Dahlin of being at the NHL level. Edited January 13, 2022 by dudacek 2 2 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted January 13, 2022 Author Report Posted January 13, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 11:37 AM, LGR4GM said: I worry about that 2021 draft. Neither of Rosen or Poltapov are here. Based on my research prior to the draft, both were drafted one tier ahead of where they should have gone. Not huge reaches, but reaches. On the consensus board I do every year Rosen was 21st and Poltapov 40th. As I said then, I'll repeat now. I had centers ranked ahead of both guys that were still available like Svechkov (17th on my board) and Lucius (11th) (who would have been my pick) over Rosen and Pinelli (23rd) and Raty (17th) over Poltapov. That said, D+1 for most of the mid-level 1sts down to the second is a huge transition year, and isn't ultimately indicative of what they'll become. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted January 13, 2022 Author Report Posted January 13, 2022 15 hours ago, dudacek said: I don't think Laaksonen will be an NHLer. He is at the AHL level what the biggest Dahlin-haters accuse Dahlin of being at the NHL level. Your opinion seems contrary to what many have written about him over the last 2 seasons. Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Based on my research prior to the draft, both were drafted one tier ahead of where they should have gone. Not huge reaches, but reaches. On the consensus board I do every year Rosen was 21st and Poltapov 40th. As I said then, I'll repeat now. I had centers ranked ahead of both guys that were still available like Svechkov (17th on my board) and Lucius (11th) (who would have been my pick) over Rosen and Pinelli (23rd) and Raty (17th) over Poltapov. That said, D+1 for most of the mid-level 1sts down to the second is a huge transition year, and isn't ultimately indicative of what they'll become. I would have taken Lucius and Svechkov over Rosen. I would have taken Raty or Koivunen over Poltapov. Edited January 13, 2022 by LGR4GM Quote
DarthEbriate Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 15 hours ago, dudacek said: I don't think Laaksonen will be an NHLer. He is at the AHL level what the biggest Dahlin-haters accuse Dahlin of being at the NHL level. Trade him to JBot for Borgen. 1 Quote
Flashsabre Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 I put no stock in Pronman. No idea how he got his job. I am convinced he has no idea what top NHL skating looks like. Cozens is the anthesis of average NHL skater. He has no clue on rating goaltenders either. Quote
dudacek Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Your opinion seems contrary to what many have written about him over the last 2 seasons. Maybe. I haven't seen a lot written about him. Curious to see what other people who watch a lot of the Amerks think. Quote
Taro T Posted January 13, 2022 Report Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, dudacek said: Maybe. I haven't seen a lot written about him. Curious to see what other people who watch a lot of the Amerks think. He is a poster boy for high event hockey. Considering the rest of the young D crew the Sabres have in place & in the wings, don't see him being a fit. Could see him being another Gragnini. Nobody wants another Gragnini. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted January 14, 2022 Report Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, dudacek said: I don't think Laaksonen will be an NHLer. He is at the AHL level what the biggest Dahlin-haters accuse Dahlin of being at the NHL level. so maybe a poor man's dahlin at the nhl level. if we get lucky? sry no capital letters from me last few posts, my cat is on my lap, cant get two hands on the keyboard Edited January 14, 2022 by Thorny Quote
Taro T Posted January 14, 2022 Report Posted January 14, 2022 59 minutes ago, Thorny said: so maybe a poor man's dahlin at the nhl level. if we get lucky? sry no capital letters from me last few posts, my cat is on my lap, cant get two hands on the keyboard Awfully long winded way of saying Gragnini. 😉 1 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 15, 2022 Report Posted January 15, 2022 Kozak would be 20 b4 Dec 31 next year so I think he's AHL eligible ? 5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: 1 Quote
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