Reinhart traded to Florida for G Devon Levi (7th rd pick in 2020) and a lottery protected 1st in 2022.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, SDS said:

The other side of this coin is that is what other teams are offering.

No it's not IMO. You don't have to trade Reinhart or Eichel. Trading because you want to move is the exact philosophy that gets you Sobotka, Berglund, Tage and a late 1st. 

[Huckleberry]

Yeah if the value isn't there, just say ***** it and keep him.

[WildCard]

2 minutes ago, SDS said:

The other side of this coin is that is what other teams are offering.

Are you talking about the guy that agreed to an eight year extension?

Yeah

[triumph_communes]

Reinhart needs to go. Too slow and too passive. He really needs a strong environment to succeed and we don’t have that 

[Ducky]

You guys did so well on Risto I thought the return would be way more.

Would've loved to have seen him on the Jets.

[Radar]

1 minute ago, SDS said:

The other side of this coin is that is what other teams are offering.

Exactly. This is also what many have previously predicted would be his value all thing considered. He's gone for nothing or make the best deal you can get.

[SDS]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

No it's not IMO. You don't have to trade Reinhart or Eichel. Trading because you want to move is the exact philosophy that gets you Sobotka, Berglund, Tage and a late 1st. 

Yes. It. Is. 
 

all I said is that it is what teams are apparently offering. I said nothing about having to trade him.

[pastajoe]

Heponiemi had some impressive stats. Scored 118 points in 57 games for Swift Current in 17-18. Then played for U20 Finland and some games in the AHL.

“A highly-skilled forward who plays with a lot of speed and skill…uses his speed to jet down the wing and beat defenders along the outside, Futureconsiderations.ca 2017”

“He is dynamic and can create space for himself and his teammates because he makes quick decisions and has tremendous foot speed, Hockeyprospect.com 2017”

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/284816/aleksi-heponiemi

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by pastajoe

[Huckleberry]

3 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Reinhart needs to go. Too slow and too passive. He really needs a strong environment to succeed and we don’t have that 

This is just such a bad take on him.    He might look like that, but he is sound defensive and probably had the highest hockey IQ on the team.

[LGR4GM]

4 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Reinhart needs to go. Too slow and too passive. He really needs a strong environment to succeed and we don’t have that 

You mean the 5 time 20 goal scorer who has gotten more points every single year and is rarely injured? Yea, too slow and passive and has to go to succeed. Awful take. 

[Huckleberry]

What I will say though, I would not be surprised if he gets 80 points on a florida team as 2C.

[triumph_communes]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You mean the 5 time 20 goal scorer who has gotten more points every single year and is rarely injured? Yea, too slow and passive and has to go to succeed. Awful take. 

No, it’s your take on stats that completely ignores personality, motivation, and how he works as a teammate that is the awful take. 
 

the guy is beta as hell and now he’s a leader. That’s a problem 

 

his stats will likely get better if he is a younger second line center for some other team. And they won’t pay him 8 million for it without suffering somehow

Edited July 24, 2021 by triumph_communes

[pastajoe]

10 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Well, what did Seth Jones just get?

8 years at $9.5 million per year. 😳

[WildCard]

Just now, pastajoe said:

8 years at $9.5 million per year. 😳

I meant he got a great return and he needed an extension

[LGR4GM]

That goalie prospect is interesting but you gotta get more than a potential starting goalie who barely played anywhere last year and has not faced great competition overall. 

[PalmTreeMafia]

2 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

No, it’s your take on stats that completely ignores personality, motivation, and how he works as a teammate that is the awful take. 
 

the guy is beta as hell and now he’s a leader. That’s a problem 

 

his stats will likely get better if he is a younger second line center for some other team. And they won’t pay him 8 million for it without suffering somehow

 

So you're saying Reinhart is too slow and has character issues. Fans were saying the same thing about O'Reilly before they ran him out of town. 

[Huckleberry]

3 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

No, it’s your take on stats that completely ignores personality, motivation, and how he works as a teammate that is the awful take. 
 

the guy is beta as hell and now he’s a leader. That’s a problem 

 

his stats will likely get better if he is a younger second line center for some other team. And they won’t pay him 8 million for it without suffering somehow

You do know the entire premise of alpha and beta on a wolfpack or K9 world is flawed right ?   I don't like it when people use these terms.  

In the end Samson showed leadership last year by showing up each game and playing at the same level he always did.   Can't really be said about our pouting 1C.

[triumph_communes]

1 minute ago, TerryFolds said:

 

So you're saying Reinhart is too slow and has character issues. Fans were saying the same thing about O'Reilly before they ran him out of town. 

And after his honeymoon year that had more to do with fresh coaching than anything else he is having all of the same issues on his new team surface

[Radar]

The bottom line is he is gone for zero after this season. By keeping him it's not like he's making you a playoff team. We were last place with one of his best years.  So next seasons end you lose him and you're still likely no better for having kept him.

Edited July 24, 2021 by Radar

[LabattBlue]

OP...please fix the typo in the title. My OCD is on fire right now. 

[Hoss]

Still skeptical of this dude but we’ll see.

[Huckleberry]

3 minutes ago, Hoss said:

Still skeptical of this dude but we’ll see.

Don't know how it helps, florida might need a capdump like stralman, that should come with more than just Vatrano and levi.

[pastajoe]

10 minutes ago, WildCard said:

I meant he got a great return and he needed an extension

Elite defensemen are apparently more in demand.

[LGR4GM]

5 minutes ago, Hoss said:

Still skeptical of this dude but we’ll see.

My early feel is that if it wasn't done in the last 8 hours that is because they are working on a Reinhart extension. 

[Kr632]

9 minutes ago, Radar said:

The bottom line is he is gone for zero after this season. By keeping him it's not like he's making you a playoff team. We were last place with one of his best years.  So next seasons end you lose him and you're still likely no better for having kept him.

Or you know trade him before the deadline. Doing this also shelters Cozens and Mittlestadt so we're not rushing them into a role theyre not ready for. But this team loves rushing prospects in and screwing up their development

Edited July 24, 2021 by Kr632