darksabre Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 8:35 PM, Randall Flagg said: This is fine as long as the risto interest rumors are at least partly correct Expand I don't think the Sabres would have protected him if they weren't. I'm feeling pretty good about it given how the market has looked so far. 2 Quote
Radar Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 7:48 PM, Norcal said: Borgen will play significant minutes in Seattle Expand He may. He also may get waived. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 8:51 PM, darksabre said: I don't think the Sabres would have protected him if they weren't. I'm feeling pretty good about it given how the market has looked so far. Expand It is playing out exactly like the last draft - it was dumb to, in a vacuum, lose a nice young piece in carrier instead of Ennis, who had been our worst forward and was worth a decent chunk of money - until ennis was a part of the Scandella trade, which was really needed at the time. The net ins and outs worked out, and they probably will here as well 5 Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 21, 2021 Author Report Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) On 7/21/2021 at 9:02 PM, Randall Flagg said: It is playing out exactly like the last draft - it was dumb to, in a vacuum, lose a nice young piece in carrier instead of Ennis, who had been our worst forward and was worth a decent chunk of money - until ennis was a part of the Scandella trade, which was really needed at the time. The net ins and outs worked out, and they probably will here as well Expand We haven't even seen the Risto trade yet but all I read here is how we're getting a 3rd round pick and wOoo is us. This place is unbearable at times this offseason while people overreact to moves that haven't even happened. Borgen was a 3rd pair defender. If you can't simply replace him the problem isn't losing him, it is your front office literally being the basement level of a dumpster that is on fire and covered in *****. Edited July 21, 2021 by LGR4GM 2 1 Quote
inkman Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 8:50 PM, dudacek said: A world where Will Borgen is simultaneously of significant value AND might be available on waivers is funny to me. Besides @inkman, I wonder how many on here have seen Borgen play more than a dozen or so games? Expand I don’t necessarily think he’s that good but he’s everything this team needs right now (and has for a lone time) and they just threw him to the scrap heap. On 7/21/2021 at 7:55 PM, Curt said: Hot Take- Pearl Jam is way overrated. Expand It was way downhill after Ten. Don’t get me wrong, that album defined my senior year of college but I can’t stand anything they did after it. Soundgarden on the other hand… Quote
kas23 Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 Borgen gets jettisoned and this. Brace yourselves when both Jack and Sam get the boot. Quote
Radar Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 9:46 PM, inkman said: I don’t necessarily think he’s that good but he’s everything this team needs right now (and has for a lone time) and they just threw him to the scrap heap. It was way downhill after Ten. Don’t get me wrong, that album defined my senior year of college but I can’t stand anything they did after it. Soundgarden on the other hand… Expand If physicality missing is the issue. Well I can find that off a waiver wire. Borgen was a promising player but his value, in my opinion, grew with each passing day among many here. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 21, 2021 Author Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 9:49 PM, kas23 said: Borgen gets jettisoned and this. Brace yourselves when both Jack and Sam get the boot. Expand I just assume Sabrespace will implode into a fiery chasm. Quote
Gatorman0519 Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 It speaks for itself that Borgen is the one valued the most out of the scrap heap we offered. Quote
JoeSchmoe Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) On 7/21/2021 at 8:50 PM, dudacek said: A world where Will Borgen is simultaneously of significant value AND might be available on waivers is funny to me. Besides @inkman, I wonder how many on here have seen Borgen play more than a dozen or so games? Expand Fact: Superman wears Will Borgen underroos. #legendofwillborgen On 7/21/2021 at 8:50 PM, dudacek said: Expand Edited July 21, 2021 by JoeSchmoe Quote
Taro T Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 8:50 PM, dudacek said: A world where Will Borgen is simultaneously of significant value AND might be available on waivers is funny to me. Besides @inkman, I wonder how many on here have seen Borgen play more than a dozen or so games? Expand Define "significant." The 2 propositions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Will Borgen at present is a 3rd pairing D and he MIGHT be a 2nd pairing stay at home guy. That could be a valuable commodity for the Sabres (or somebody else) in the near future as the Sabres perennially need at least 1 more good stay at home defenseman than they have. And '21-'22 is shaping up to follow that pattern as the only healthy SaH D-man they have is a raw rookie (with a great pedigree). But Seattle just got to take the 4th best (in most cases aka a 2nd pairing) D-man from about 1/2 the league. So, though the Sabres might miss him, he doesn't necessarily make Seattle's squad. Nobody is saying that Borgen will be the 2nd coming of Mike Ramsey nor even Jake McCabe. But that doesn't mean he would not be useful this season nor that he won't be even more useful the next few seasons. It's the potential that people are mourning (for lack of a better term). IF the Sabres take Power, in 2-3 years this could be a very imposing D with 2 (hopefully) studs, 2 solid stay at home guys, & 2 decent puck movers (2 of Jokiharju, Johnson, Bryson, & Pilut) & 2 of those as spares. Get goaltending & we might have something to work with. Quote
Taro T Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:16 PM, Let's Go B-Lo said: Pilut is gone and never coming back to play for this team. Expand Expect you are wrong. But we will see who's right in summer '22. 1 Quote
darksabre Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:19 PM, Taro T said: Expect you are wrong. But we will see who's right in summer '22. Expand Yeah I think Pilut will be here in some capacity 1 Quote
Curt Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:19 PM, Taro T said: Expect you are wrong. But we will see who's right in summer '22. Expand I would love to see him give it another go. Literally almost everyone who was with the team his go round will be gone, so it will be like a fresh start. LD could be pretty crowded with young guys who need plying time though. Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, Bryson. We’ll see. Quote
The Jokeman Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) On 7/21/2021 at 11:14 PM, Taro T said: Define "significant." The 2 propositions aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Will Borgen at present is a 3rd pairing D and he MIGHT be a 2nd pairing stay at home guy. That could be a valuable commodity for the Sabres (or somebody else) in the near future as the Sabres perennially need at least 1 more good stay at home defenseman than they have. And '21-'22 is shaping up to follow that pattern as the only healthy SaH D-man they have is a raw rookie (with a great pedigree). But Seattle just got to take the 4th best (in most cases aka a 2nd pairing) D-man from about 1/2 the league. So, though the Sabres might miss him, he doesn't necessarily make Seattle's squad. Nobody is saying that Borgen will be the 2nd coming of Mike Ramsey nor even Jake McCabe. But that doesn't mean he would not be useful this season nor that he won't be even more useful the next few seasons. It's the potential that people are mourning (for lack of a better term). IF the Sabres take Power, in 2-3 years this could be a very imposing D with 2 (hopefully) studs, 2 solid stay at home guys, & 2 decent puck movers (2 of Jokiharju, Johnson, Bryson, & Pilut) & 2 of those as spares. Get goaltending & we might have something to work with. Expand We need to improve scoring and goaltending, Power doesn't do any of that. Even moreso if Jack, Sam and Linus leave. Drafting a defenseman with limited offensive abilities makes no sense to me. Edited July 21, 2021 by The Jokeman Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 Once we get marco rossi I'll be buying his jersey Quote
Radar Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:24 PM, The Jokeman said: We need to improve scoring and goaltending, Power doesn't do any of that. Even moreso if Jack, Sam and Linus leave. Drafting a defenseman with limited offensive abilities makes no sense to me. Expand With the first overall pick I think you take best player regardless of position. 1 1 Quote
JoeSchmoe Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 Borgen and his 14 games is the only guy in this league that could singlehandedly shut down McDavid and take down Chuck Norris in one game. #legendofwillborgen Quote
inkman Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) On 7/21/2021 at 9:55 PM, Radar said: If physicality missing is the issue. Well I can find that off a waiver wire. Borgen was a promising player but his value, in my opinion, grew with each passing day among many here. Expand Yeah there are a ton of those guys around the league. When is the last time the Sabres had one let alone several? Kaleta? Just freaking entertain me FFS. On 7/21/2021 at 11:30 PM, JoeSchmoe said: Borgen and his 14 games is the only guy in this league that could singlehandedly shut down McDavid and take down Chuck Norris in one game. #legendofwillborgen Expand Missing the point Thankfully our new captain and 10 million dollar player, Rasmus Dahlin is here to figure skate around the rink being gently caressed by Will Farrell. Edited July 21, 2021 by inkman 1 1 Quote
JoeSchmoe Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:30 PM, inkman said: Missing the point Expand True, he could also shut down Draisaitl and beat up Chuck Norris's dog too. Quote
inkman Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:28 PM, Buffalonill said: Once we get marco rossi I'll be buying his jersey Expand Might get me a Kraken Borgen jersey. This from a guy that owns exactly one Jersey. Quote
Taro T Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:23 PM, Let's Go B-Lo said: He and Victor Antipin will make a heckuva pair Expand One of these is still a Sabre property. One isn't. Pretty sure 1 will never be back, but the other still has a very real possibility of being back. Especially when considering that the guy that he was negotiating with who was lowballing him is now an AGM elsewhere. Quote
Cascade Youth Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:16 PM, Let's Go B-Lo said: Pilut is gone and never coming back to play for this team. Expand Like a steam locomotive, rollin’ down the tracks. Quote
JoeSchmoe Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:36 PM, inkman said: Might get me a Kraken Borgen jersey. This from a guy that owns exactly one Jersey. Expand You should do it. That would be a great jersey to get. Quote
The Jokeman Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 11:30 PM, Radar said: With the first overall pick I think you take best player regardless of position. Expand Do you think St Louis is glad they took Eric Johnson over Jonathan Towels or Phil Kessel in 2006? I'm sorry but the need to score is a bigger need to me. Good to great defenseman only as good as the goalie behind them. 2 Quote
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