Flashsabre Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 Is it regular waivers though? Seattle have to field an AHL team. Are there any rules in place that they can send guys down initially without waivers? Quote
Taro T Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:06 PM, Flashsabre said: Is it regular waivers though? Seattle have to field an AHL team. Are there any rules in place that they can send guys down initially without waivers? Expand It is. No, there isn't (except for the guys that nobody else has to waive to send down). That requirement to waive guys above a certain age & experience level is designed to keep (to as much a degree as possible) the best players in the NHL and the developing ones & the tweeners in the A. Also, could've sworn having read somewhere that Seattle is sharing an AHL squad this year w/ somebody else. IIRC they're stocking some of the Charlotte Checkers. They'll have their own farm club the following year. 2 Quote
Believer Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 Bummer for us… Good luck to Borgen… 1 Quote
inkman Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 5:32 PM, dudacek said: As well he should have been. Too bad, oh well. Now go get a better replacement. Expand I NEED ONE ***** PLAYER ON THIS ***** ROSTER THAT HITS AND FIGHTS. THATS ALL I’VE EVER WANTED. WE FINALLY HAD A GUY AND WE JUST LET HIM WALK. NOW I GET TO WAIT ANOTHER 20 YEARS TO WATCH A GUY PLAY 15 GAMES AND GET MY HOPES UP ONLY TO LOST HIM TO QUEBEC’S EXPANSION TEAM. 3 4 Quote
Thwomp! Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:17 PM, inkman said: I NEED ONE ***** PLAYER ON THIS ***** ROSTER THAT HITS AND FIGHTS. THATS ALL I’VE EVER WANTED. WE FINALLY HAD A GUY AND WE JUST LET HIM WALK. NOW I GET TO WAIT ANOTHER 20 YEARS TO WATCH A GUY PLAY 15 GAMES AND GET MY HOPES UP ONLY TO LOST HIM TO QUEBEC’S EXPANSION TEAM. Expand We'll regret this. Can't wait until we get a 3rd and middling prospect for Risto now. 2 Quote
LabattBlue Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 So much for the “we want to be tough to play against” mantra. 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 21, 2021 Author Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:28 PM, LabattBlue said: So much for the “we want to be tough to play against” mantra. Expand Lol yes, losing Will "14 NHL Games" Borgen is really throwing that mantra out the window. I get it, it is fashionable to bitch about everything the Sabres do but good lord. We lost our 6th defender... who cares. These team just finished last again in the rankings, you all really think Will Borgen leaving in an expansion draft is going to sick us? Give me a break. 4 2 1 Quote
Thorner Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 It adds to the LHD/RHD imbalance I guess, another thing they'll have to address. I'm not so much concerned about losing the specific player. Quote
Thwomp! Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:29 PM, LGR4GM said: Lol yes, losing Will "14 NHL Games" Borgen is really throwing that mantra out the window. I get it, it is fashionable to bitch about everything the Sabres do but good lord. We lost our 6th defender... who cares. These team just finished last again in the rankings, you all really think Will Borgen leaving in an expansion draft is going to sick us? Give me a break. Expand Well we've got 8 years of results with Risto in the lineup. Let's keep doing the same thing. It's going well. 2 1 Quote
LabattBlue Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:29 PM, LGR4GM said: Lol yes, losing Will "14 NHL Games" Borgen is really throwing that mantra out the window. I get it, it is fashionable to bitch about everything the Sabres do but good lord. Expand Says the guy who throws regular tantrums here. Pot meet kettle. 4 1 Quote
inkman Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:29 PM, LGR4GM said: Lol yes, losing Will "14 NHL Games" Borgen is really throwing that mantra out the window. I get it, it is fashionable to bitch about everything the Sabres do but good lord. We lost our 6th defender... who cares. These team just finished last again in the rankings, you all really think Will Borgen leaving in an expansion draft is going to sick us? Give me a break. Expand I care. This team needs players like Borgen in spades. Every NHL team has them. Our current toughest roster player, Colin Miller the worst dman on the team. 3 1 2 Quote
nfreeman Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 5:53 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: What was Borgen's trade value? A 4th rd pick? Risto will easily return a 2nd and remove a 5.4 mill cap liability. Expand It doesn't really matter what the Sabres could've gotten in trade for Borgen. What matters is what he was worth to them -- i.e. what they would've accepted in trade for him. The return for Risto needs to be higher than that. Otherwise, they made a mistake in exposing Borgen instead of Risto (unless they get Borgen back via waivers). 3 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:29 PM, LGR4GM said: Lol yes, losing Will "14 NHL Games" Borgen is really throwing that mantra out the window. I get it, it is fashionable to bitch about everything the Sabres do but good lord. We lost our 6th defender... who cares. These team just finished last again in the rankings, you all really think Will Borgen leaving in an expansion draft is going to sick us? Give me a break. Expand Actually looking at our depth chart, we lost our 7th best D man as Samuelsson is a better player, younger, just as tough and has played nearly as many NHL games as Borgen. We currently have the following D with NHL experience LHD - Dahlin, Bryson and Samuelsson RHD - Risto, Jokiharju and Miller Borgen isn't better then any of these guys. 1 Quote
DHawerchuk10 Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:29 PM, LGR4GM said: Lol yes, losing Will "14 NHL Games" Borgen is really throwing that mantra out the window. I get it, it is fashionable to bitch about everything the Sabres do but good lord. We lost our 6th defender... who cares. These team just finished last again in the rankings, you all really think Will Borgen leaving in an expansion draft is going to sick us? Give me a break. Expand I can only speak for myself, but my disappointment in Borgen getting selected was stemming more from the fact that he was being developed slowly (or properly, depending on your perspective), and I was curious how he would grow/mature into our d-corps. He's by no means a savior and losing him is not the end of the world, but our franchise must start developing and inserting these guys into our lineup to start improving over the long haul. 8 1 Quote
Thorner Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:44 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: Actually looking at our depth chart, we lost our 7th best D man as Samuelsson is a better player, younger, just as tough and has played nearly as many NHL games as Borgen. We currently have the following D with NHL experience LHD - Dahlin, Bryson and Samuelsson RHD - Risto, Jokiharju and Miller Borgen isn't better then any of these guys. Expand But if we trade Risto, our "potential NHLers on the right side" list looks like what, Jokiharju...Laaksonen (maybe)? Ya, I'm leaving Miller off that list. At least Borgen had a chance of being an adequate top 6 player. I don't care about losing him really like I said but, let's swap some LHD for RHD. 1 1 Quote
freester Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:44 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: Actually looking at our depth chart, we lost our 7th best D man as Samuelsson is a better player, younger, just as tough and has played nearly as many NHL games as Borgen. We currently have the following D with NHL experience LHD - Dahlin, Bryson and Samuelsson RHD - Risto, Jokiharju and Miller Borgen isn't better then any of these guys. Expand Except for the fact that Risto will be gone tomorrow and Miller will be gone at the tra de deadline if not sooner. We essentially have Joker at RD and that is a huge problem. Losing Borgen was a significant loss as we have no one to replace him. 3 Quote
Digger Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:45 PM, DHawerchuk10 said: I can only speak for myself, but my disappointment in Borgen getting selected was stemming more from the fact that he was being developed slowly (or properly, depending on your perspective), and I was curious how he would grow/mature into our d-corps. He's by no means a savior and losing him is not the end of the world, but our franchise must start developing and inserting these guys into our lineup to start improving over the long haul. Expand Yes I agree. It's really disappointing that he got hurt last year when he got the chance. It would have been nice to see him in some extra games. 2 Quote
SDS Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 This discussion has Tim Kennedy written all over it. 4 3 Quote
DarthEbriate Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:14 PM, Taro T said: It is. No, there isn't (except for the guys that nobody else has to waive to send down). That requirement to waive guys above a certain age & experience level is designed to keep (to as much a degree as possible) the best players in the NHL and the developing ones & the tweeners in the A. Also, could've sworn having read somewhere that Seattle is sharing an AHL squad this year w/ somebody else. IIRC they're stocking some of the Charlotte Checkers. They'll have their own farm club the following year. Expand Splitting Charlotte with the Panthers this season, then Palm Springs full roster next season and likely an ECHL affiliation as well. On 7/21/2021 at 6:17 PM, inkman said: I NEED ONE ***** PLAYER ON THIS ***** ROSTER THAT HITS AND FIGHTS. THATS ALL I’VE EVER WANTED. WE FINALLY HAD A GUY AND WE JUST LET HIM WALK. NOW I GET TO WAIT ANOTHER 20 YEARS TO WATCH A GUY PLAY 15 GAMES AND GET MY HOPES UP ONLY TO LOST HIM TO QUEBEC’S EXPANSION TEAM. Expand IT's all good. We can sign Dalton Smith to an NHL contract again. 🍺 1 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 Hmmm. Well, just one more thing. Not a huge thing, but one more thing. Still waiting for a positive thing to start tipping the scales back. Quote
LabattBlue Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:44 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: Actually looking at our depth chart, we lost our 7th best D man as Samuelsson is a better player, younger, just as tough and has played nearly as many NHL games as Borgen. We currently have the following D with NHL experience LHD - Dahlin, Bryson and Samuelsson RHD - Risto, Jokiharju and Miller Borgen isn't better then any of these guys. Expand You really believe Bryson and Miller are better roster choices than Borgen? Quote
JohnC Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:55 PM, SDS said: This discussion has Tim Kennedy written all over it. Expand Bingo! Compared to what other teams will lose we aught to be thankful. It's rare that having less talent can be advantageous. This is one of those occasions. 1 Quote
Zamboni Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 7:02 PM, JohnC said: Bingo! Compared to what other teams will lose we aught to be thankful. It's rare that having less talent can be advantageous. This is one of those occasions. Expand For me it’s similar to losing Carrier. Nice player… Nice depth player… yeah Borgen has slightly more upside… But it’s in a similar neighborhood. For me at least. In other words a player that stung a little bit to lose. But that’s it. Who knows… If Seattle waives him he may be back. 3 Quote
LabattBlue Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 7:05 PM, Zamboni said: For me it’s similar to losing Carrier. Nice player… Nice depth player… yeah Borgen has slightly more upside… But it’s in a similar neighborhood. For me at least. In other words a player that stung a little bit to lose. But that’s it. Who knows… If Seattle waives him he may be back. Expand ...and Carrier has been gone for 3 years now, and who is the equivalent player on the 4th line that replaced him? Quote
Thwomp! Posted July 21, 2021 Report Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 6:55 PM, SDS said: This discussion has Tim Kennedy written all over it. Expand More apt and recent comparison would be Brayden McNabb. Young defenseman we developed and gave up for nothing. He's had a nice career. 1 2 Quote
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