Buffalonill Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) This is tage thompson how people are excited is beyond me . Edited July 19, 2021 by Buffalonill 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 5:19 PM, WildCard said: I remember people very hyped for Adams as well. Expand Wrong!! Sorry, Charlie, but you have never been more WRONG!! 1 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 2:52 PM, PromoTheRobot said: Just watch him. He aggressively forechecks on almost every shift. Causes turnovers that lead to chances. That is what I expect the Sabres to be next year. And what he was in Boston doesn't really matter here because Donnie is retooling players skill sets. Expand Well it kind of does matter cause they had him for several years and tried him in various roles and he was an underachieving inbetweener and that's why he fell out of their line up. Fast skater, works hard enough, but not a particularly good checker and not a scorer either. No finish. We shall see if Granato can get something out of him that the Bruins couldn't, but I don't share your optimism. Bruins had some pretty good coaches. On 7/19/2021 at 5:26 PM, Buffalonill said: This is tage thompson how people are excited is beyond me . Expand Is anyone actually excited about Tage? Quote
JoeSchmoe Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 4:21 PM, Buffalonill said: Agreed He be in easy player to replace Expand I get people don't like him because of the O'Reilly trade, because he struggled in his early days with the team, and for some reason because he's tall, but he was a key part of the team playing well under Granato. As his minutes went up, his decision making got better. He got to dangerous areas more often, and he seemed to generate a lot of open ice turnovers due to his reach. All evidence from Granato onwards is that he's easily a good 3rd liner on a good team. This team hasn't had good 3rd liners in forever, so they're not so easy to replace. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 5:47 PM, JoeSchmoe said: I get people don't like him because of the O'Reilly trade, because he struggled in his early days with the team, and for some reason because he's tall, but he was a key part of the team playing well under Granato. As his minutes went up, his decision making got better. He got to dangerous areas more often, and he seemed to generate a lot of open ice turnovers due to his reach. All evidence from Granato onwards is that he's easily a good 3rd liner on a good team. This team hasn't had good 3rd liners in forever, so they're not so easy to replace. Expand No one cares he is tall accept for ppl using that as some type of reason he will be good. This is the constant battle I fight and the hill I will die on. Being tall doesn't mean anything unless you use the extra size in a positive way... Tage doesn't. I don't think he was a good 3rd liner on most teams. He likes low percentage shots and isn't great defensively. Quote
Der Jaeger Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 5:26 PM, Buffalonill said: This is tage thompson how people are excited is beyond me . Expand Breaking news: 23 year old forward plays first full NHL season on league’s worst team. Metrics aren’t good. 5 Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 6:27 PM, Der Jaeger said: Breaking news: 23 year old forward plays first full NHL season on league’s worst team. Metrics aren’t good. Expand Dude he's played 145 games 1 Quote
Der Jaeger Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 6:42 PM, Buffalonill said: Dude he's played 145 games Expand I guess context doesn’t matter. 41 games with STL as a 20 year old rookie 65 games in his second year, on a crap Buffalo team, where Botterill kept him with the Sabres when it was clear he need to be in Rochester. Finally and mercifully sent to Rochester, where he looked good and started to develop. 1 game in the NHL his third year. 38 games last season, scored 2 points under Krueger, and generally sucked. Scored 12 points for Granato and looked better. Maybe a bit of patience might be in order instead of stat watching. 5 Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) On 7/19/2021 at 6:57 PM, Der Jaeger said: I guess context doesn’t matter. Maybe a bit of patience might be in order instead of stat watching. Expand Always love it when someone uses a statistic and then the inevitable ***** that is this happens. No one is saying Tage Thompson cannot be good or will not be good. It just is unlikely that he will suddenly pop even under a better coach in Granato. Edited July 19, 2021 by LGR4GM Quote
JoeSchmoe Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 6:57 PM, Der Jaeger said: I guess context doesn’t matter. 41 games with STL as a 20 year old rookie 65 games in his second year, on a crap Buffalo team, where Botterill kept him with the Sabres when it was clear he need to be in Rochester. Finally and mercifully sent to Rochester, where he looked good and started to develop. 1 game in the NHL his third year. 38 games last season, scored 2 points under Krueger, and generally sucked. Scored 12 points for Granato and looked better. Maybe a bit of patience might be in order instead of stat watching. Expand 💯. The fact that someone would put up 2019 and 2020 numbers to make the point screams agenda. There's no arguing he's a different player now than he was in those seasons. 2 Quote
Der Jaeger Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:00 PM, LGR4GM said: Always love it when someone uses a statistic and then the inevitable ***** that is this happens. Expand There’s a huge difference between quoting a stat with no context, and using stats to inform decisions and further investigation. I am a huge advocate for analytics. But done in a vacuum isn’t smart. Saying a player is who he is after 145 games, without investigating the circumstances of those games, is silly. 2 Quote
pi2000 Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) On 7/19/2021 at 5:48 PM, LGR4GM said: No one cares he is tall accept for ppl using that as some type of reason he will be good. This is the constant battle I fight and the hill I will die on. Being tall doesn't mean anything unless you use the extra size in a positive way... Tage doesn't. I don't think he was a good 3rd liner on most teams. He likes low percentage shots and isn't great defensively. Expand I, for one, thinks he uses his reach fairly well. He has good hands, and a hard shot... combined with his reach he has an enormous puck radius. He's good on the forecheck and gets his stick on a lot of pucks due to his length. He could be more physical, but that's not his game. He's OK defensively (+4 TRpm). My concern w Tage is wether or not he can take that next step. Edited July 19, 2021 by pi2000 7 Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:02 PM, JoeSchmoe said: 💯. The fact that someone would put up 2019 and 2020 numbers to make the point screams agenda. There's no arguing he's a different player now than he was in those seasons. Expand He still has no hockey sense I've never seen a player miss more open nets just so he can pull of some Fancy move and still miss the net Quote
Radar Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 6:27 PM, Der Jaeger said: Breaking news: 23 year old forward plays first full NHL season on league’s worst team. Metrics aren’t good. Expand Are you implying you would have not protected him? If so who would you swap him with? Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) On 7/19/2021 at 7:03 PM, Der Jaeger said: There’s a huge difference between quoting a stat with no context, and using stats to inform decisions and further investigation. I am a huge advocate for analytics. But done in a vacuum isn’t smart. Saying a player is who he is after 145 games, without investigating the circumstances of those games, is silly. Expand He is getting close to be who he is. After this season he will be. Also you took those stats and interpreted them how you wanted. I simply posted them, and not even in this thread. He has almost 200 pro games and his shot percentage is meh, really meh. I think his billing as a shooter is overrated and I think it is important to ask why has he only managed to get 145 games over 4 years of playing NHL hockey. At some point he has to sink or swim and for me that is this year. Since he has played 145 games you would think it would start to come together. I think we should give him this season to try but I am skeptical because of his low hockey IQ. Edited July 19, 2021 by LGR4GM Quote
JoeSchmoe Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:09 PM, Buffalonill said: He still has no hockey sense I've never seen a player miss more open nets just so he can pull of some Fancy move and still miss the net Expand 17 goal pace this year when used sparingly for a good chunk of the season. 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 Low hockey IQ? Seems like a silly term to me. The dude is playing in the NHL, so thee has to be something to his hockey IQ. Granted, he plays for the Sabres and who knows if another team would have him out there. On 7/19/2021 at 7:13 PM, JoeSchmoe said: 17 goal pace this year when used sparingly for a good chunk of the season. Expand I think Tage will be okay player in the right situation. Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) On 7/19/2021 at 7:03 PM, Der Jaeger said: There’s a huge difference between quoting a stat with no context, and using stats to inform decisions and further investigation. I am a huge advocate for analytics. But done in a vacuum isn’t smart. Saying a player is who he is after 145 games, without investigating the circumstances of those games, is silly. Expand You acted like he's some rookie still I can guarantee you if dylan cozens had 35 points in 145 games people wouldn't use the word "patience" Edited July 19, 2021 by Buffalonill 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:13 PM, JoeSchmoe said: 17 goal pace this year when used sparingly for a good chunk of the season. Expand 8.3sh% to put that in perspective the best goal scorer on the team has a 13.6sh% and shot 19.2 and 15.3 the last 2 years. Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) On 7/19/2021 at 7:14 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: Low hockey IQ? Seems like a silly term to me. The dude is playing in the NHL, so thee has to be something to his hockey IQ. Granted, he plays for the Sabres and who knows if another team would have him out there. I think Tage will be okay player in the right situation. Expand Lots of players have low Hockey IQ what about kassian? And you have this Edited July 19, 2021 by Buffalonill 1 1 Quote
pi2000 Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:14 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: Low hockey IQ? Seems like a silly term to me. The dude is playing in the NHL, so thee has to be something to his hockey IQ. Granted, he plays for the Sabres and who knows if another team would have him out there. Expand Folks often mistake inexperience for low hockey IQ. Some guys, like Risto, just don't seem to get any better at decision making no matter how much experience they gather. Tage, IMO has improved w experience.. but he needs to keep improving especially his decision making. 2 Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:14 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: Low hockey IQ? Seems like a silly term to me. The dude is playing in the NHL, so thee has to be something to his hockey IQ. Granted, he plays for the Sabres and who knows if another team would have him out there. I think Tage will be okay player in the right situation. Expand You need to look a the NHL as a bell curve. Tage falls on the end of that curve for NHL players and that is problem. Quote
WildCard Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:17 PM, Buffalonill said: Lots of players have low Hockey IQ what about kassian? And you have this Expand What in the hell is that play. That's incredibly bad. 1 Quote
Der Jaeger Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:10 PM, Radar said: Are you implying you would have not protected him? If so who would you swap him with? Expand With the roster the Sabres have, who was going to be protected instead? Eakin? On 7/19/2021 at 7:10 PM, LGR4GM said: He is getting close to be who he is. After this season he will be. Also you took those stats and interpreted them how you wanted. I simply posted them, and not even in this thread. He has almost 200 pro games and his shot percentage is meh, really meh. I think his billing as a shooter is overrated and I think it is important to ask why has he only managed to get 145 games over 4 years of playing NHL hockey. At some point he has to sink or swim and for me that is this year. Since he has played 145 games you would think it would start to come together. I think we should give him this season to try but I am skeptical because of his low hockey IQ. Expand In summary, that’s what I originally said. The Sabres would be smart to give it a bit longer. Quote
Der Jaeger Posted July 19, 2021 Report Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/19/2021 at 7:15 PM, Buffalonill said: You acted like he's some rookie still I can guarantee you if dylan cozens had 35 points in 145 games people wouldn't use the word "patience" Expand He’s not. But he’s had a crappy development situation. Botterill force fed him NHL minutes. And Krueger brought a lot of players down. Have to take in the whole situation and context. Quote
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