Taro T Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, rakish said: My argument is that Okposo, Skinner, Eakin, and Miller would each need sweeteners, and the market price for sweeteners will be set by the teams trying to manage their cap, and to try to hold on to their depth. BS have none of those problems, so will find the price of getting rid of Okposo, Skinner, Miller, Eakin too high Very reasonable take. As mentioned several times, my guess is Borgen is the target with Miller a possibility. Had Girgensons not missed all of last year expect his contract wouldn't be too scary and would have him ahead of Miller on likeliness to be selected. But Miller is a safer bet. 2 Quote
tom webster Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 I know people get mad at me for bringing him up, but don’t forget Lawrence Pilut. 2 Quote
Taro T Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 37 minutes ago, rakish said: Forgot about McCabe, losing McCabe here is possible Forgot him as well. Would be surprised if they make a play for him in their exclusive window. Could see them talk to him but wait until after the expansion draft to sign him if they had interest. He won't be ready to go until November or December. Might as well take Borgen or Miller for free & then try to add Jake if Botterill sells him up to Francis when everybody else can talk to him. Quote
Taro T Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, tom webster said: I know people get mad at me for bringing him up, but don’t forget Lawrence Pilut. Can't see Seattle grabbing him. To have him this year they'd have to buy him out of Russia. See him back as a Sabre in a year though. Quote
Curt Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 44 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: He is a UFA. But if Seattle negotiate with and sign him during their exclusive UFA window the next few days -- then he's the pick. All unprotected UFAs are in that boat. Seattle can’t sign him in the exclusive negotiation period because Buffalo protected him. So he can’t be Seattle’s guy from Buffalo. Quote
Taro T Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Curt said: Seattle can’t sign him in the exclusive negotiation period because Buffalo protected him. So he can’t be Seattle’s guy from Buffalo. Thought they were talking Hutton. Ullmark is the UFA the Sabres protected. Quote
Curt Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Taro T said: Thought they were talking Hutton. Ullmark is the UFA the Sabres protected. Oh, yes, my bad. Why would they sign Hutton? Lol Quote
Marvin Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 I personally expect Seattle to take Borgen and then to flip him to, say, Tampa Bay for cap relief. A dark horse here, in spite of his price tag, is Zemgus. Having a Swiss Army Knife for a young line-up could help the team out immensely. The only excuse I could think of for protecting Ristolainen is that GMKA has a killer trade in the offing for a high first and a top D prospect, so we can afford to lose a pair of defencemen. I would rather have coerced Seattle into taking Miller by protecting Borgen because there was no way on God's Green Earth that they would take Ristolainen, but that's just my idea of good asset management. 2 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 I would have protected Borgen and exposed Risto. Protecting Risto has got to mean Adams has a deal worked out for him. That better be the case, or expect Angry NS to show up soon. 1 1 Quote
Hoss Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: I would have protected Borgen and exposed Risto. Protecting Risto has got to mean Adams has a deal worked out for him. That better be the case, or expect Angry NS to show up soon. I will scream it from a mountain top: in no universe do you expose Risto in favor of Borgen. Borgen is only two years younger but has played just 14 games with zero points. You protect Risto without even thinking for a second about the alternative. 5 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoss said: I will scream it from a mountain top: in no universe do you expose Risto in favor of Borgen. Borgen is only two years younger but has played just 14 games with zero points. You protect Risto without even thinking for a second about the alternative. I know and understand all that. I am just so done with Risto. Quote
Curt Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said: I personally expect Seattle to take Borgen and then to flip him to, say, Tampa Bay for cap relief. A dark horse here, in spite of his price tag, is Zemgus. Having a Swiss Army Knife for a young line-up could help the team out immensely. The only excuse I could think of for protecting Ristolainen is that GMKA has a killer trade in the offing for a high first and a top D prospect, so we can afford to lose a pair of defencemen. I would rather have coerced Seattle into taking Miller by protecting Borgen because there was no way on God's Green Earth that they would take Ristolainen, but that's just my idea of good asset management. I could see Seattle taking Miller, Borgen, or Girgensons. Miller is useful as a playable D who can QB a PP2, and also he has been through this process before with an expansion team that ended up having great success, so he will have extra confidence that this can work. Borgen if they just really like him. Girgensons if they want a hardworking veteran bottom 6 guy. Probably least likely. Quote
Hoss Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 1 minute ago, New Scotland (NS) said: I know and understand all that. I am just so done with Risto. Same. I have hope he’ll be traded. But that doesn’t mean I’m just letting him walk for nothing when the alternative loss isn’t that big. I have hope for Borgen but I’m not that worried if we can’t retain him. 1 1 Quote
inkman Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, Hoss said: I will scream it from a mountain top: in no universe do you expose Risto in favor of Borgen. Borgen is only two years younger but has played just 14 games with zero points. You protect Risto without even thinking for a second about the alternative. Please don’t ever post about this team bit being being tough enough then. That’s Will Borgen. A player the likes of we’ve been waiting for since 2000. 3 Quote
pastajoe Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Former Sabres not protected: Derek Grant, Brendon Guhle, Ryan Miller, Taylor Hall, Nikita Zadorov, JT Compher, Jonas Johansson, Nathan Gerbe, Cliff Pu, Mikhail Gregorenko, Mark Pysyk, Paul Byron, Eric Stall, Evan Rodrigues, Chad Ruhwedel, Marco Scandella, Wayne Simmonds, Zack Bogosian, Jimmy Vesey, Conor Sheary, Nathan Beaulieu Former Sabres protected: Nic Deslauriers, Zack Kassian, Cal Peterson, Marcus Foligno, Joel Armia, Evander Kane, Ryan O’Reilly, Tyler Myers 1 1 Quote
Hawerchuk Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Me when Seattle picks from Buffalo: 😬 "PLEASE...Don't take Borgen, don't take Borgen, don't take Borgen!" 3 Quote
Digger Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, pastajoe said: Former Sabres not protected: Derek Grant, Brendon Guhle, Ryan Miller, Taylor Hall, Nikita Zadorov, JT Compher, Jonas Johansson, Nathan Gerbe, Cliff Pu, Mikhail Gregorenko, Mark Pysyk, Paul Byron, Eric Stall, Evan Rodrigues, Chad Ruhwedel, Marco Scandella, Wayne Simmonds, Zack Bogosian, Jimmy Vesey, Conor Sheary, Nathan Beaulieu Former Sabres protected: Nic Deslauriers, Zack Kassian, Cal Peterson, Marcus Foligno, Joel Armia, Evander Kane, Ryan O’Reilly, Tyler Myers Chicago protected Brandon Hagel (F) which surprised me. He was a former Sabres pick that we did not sign and has gone on to develop pretty well as a player (not a star but still a NHL player). Heard that Chicago is having trouble signing Zadorov because he wants too much. Quote
StuckinFL Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) So we're all in agreement that we don't live in the timeline that Seattle pulls a fast one and takes Skinner. Had to argue that point with my cousin yesterday. Edited July 18, 2021 by StuckinFL Quote
bob_sauve28 Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 48 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: I would have protected Borgen and exposed Risto. Protecting Risto has got to mean Adams has a deal worked out for him. That better be the case, or expect Angry NS to show up soon. If they take Borgen and we lose Risto after next season I will have lost all confidence in KA. Especially if Borgen blossoms into a good player 25 minutes ago, pastajoe said: Former Sabres not protected: Derek Grant, Brendon Guhle, Ryan Miller, Taylor Hall, Nikita Zadorov, JT Compher, Jonas Johansson, Nathan Gerbe, Cliff Pu, Mikhail Gregorenko, Mark Pysyk, Paul Byron, Eric Stall, Evan Rodrigues, Chad Ruhwedel, Marco Scandella, Wayne Simmonds, Zack Bogosian, Jimmy Vesey, Conor Sheary, Nathan Beaulieu Former Sabres protected: Nic Deslauriers, Zack Kassian, Cal Peterson, Marcus Foligno, Joel Armia, Evander Kane, Ryan O’Reilly, Tyler Myers Wow, that’s a crazy list! 1 Quote
bob_sauve28 Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 50 minutes ago, Hoss said: I will scream it from a mountain top: in no universe do you expose Risto in favor of Borgen. Borgen is only two years younger but has played just 14 games with zero points. You protect Risto without even thinking for a second about the alternative. No, you get three years out of a decent player at a very valuable position vs just one year. Now we might lose both after next season. It’s just asset management, yes, Risto is way better, but still. 3 for 1 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Borgen is so overrated by this fanbase 5 Quote
Weave Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said: No, you get three years out of a player who hasn’t broken out to date and we aren’t sure ever will at a very valuable position vs just one year. Fixed for accuracy. Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Borgen is so overrated by this fanbase No he isn't, but the fanbase is done with Risto. Also, protecting Borgen is a bit better asset management, IMO. Just now, Weave said: Fixed for accuracy. You are correct, of course, but I don't care. I am just done with Risto. 1 Quote
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