Huckleberry Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Thing is they can take borgen, but if they waive him to the minors, buffalo can just claim him again and we are first to claim on waivers. Would make more sense for Seatle to take miller. 1 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:17 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: No he isn't, but the fanbase is done with Risto. Also, protecting Borgen is a bit better asset management, IMO. You are correct, of course, but I don't care. I am just done with Risto. Expand Just like when the fanbase thought we had the next greatest Pair with weber / Sekera Then came the great Chris butler What has Borgen done to be special? 1 Quote
Eleven Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:29 PM, Huckleberry said: Would make more sense for Seatle to take miller. Expand At $3.8M? The Sabres are going to have to flip some consideration to Seattle if they want to protect Borgen--unless Seattle really wants Girgensons or something. 3 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:29 PM, Huckleberry said: Thing is they can take borgen, but if they waive him to the minors, buffalo can just claim him again and we are first to claim on waivers. Would make more sense for Seatle to take miller. Expand Yup. There will be more than 7 D better than him, I think that keeps him away from them. This likely turns out quite nicely 2 Quote
Huckleberry Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:44 PM, Eleven said: At $3.8M? The Sabres are going to have to flip some consideration to Seattle if they want to protect Borgen--unless Seattle really wants Girgensons or something. Expand With the defense they can pick, no way borgen makes the team, I would do nothing and let them take him. the second they waive him I grab him back up. 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:36 PM, Buffalonill said: Just like when the fanbase thought we had the next greatest Pair with weber / Sekera Then came the great Chris butler What has Borgen done to be special? Expand Whatever Whatever Nothing 1 Quote
Torpedo Forecheck Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Borgen overrated by this board Risto underrated by this board NHL people Risto> Borgen by a mile my Unbiased opinion 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:55 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: Whatever Whatever Nothing Expand I'm just saying I remember we had the number one rated Prospect pool and they all turned out not so great . Quote
Eleven Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:50 PM, Huckleberry said: With the defense they can pick, no way borgen makes the team, I would do nothing and let them take him. the second they waive him I grab him back up. Expand Well I can't see them taking Miller at 3.8M, and they have to take a Sabre, so it's going to be Borgen or Girgensons. And if they take Borgen, Borgen will be their 7th D. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Overrated is a terrible adjective for Borgen. He literally isn't rate-able yet 3 Quote
Eleven Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:50 PM, Randall Flagg said: Yup. There will be more than 7 D better than him, I think that keeps him away from them. This likely turns out quite nicely Expand There are 12 F better than Girgensons, too, but it's going to come down to one or the other IMO. Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 6:00 PM, Randall Flagg said: Overrated is a terrible adjective for Borgen. He literally isn't rate-able yet Expand And if buffalo gives any draft picks for the draft they are run by morans still. 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 5:57 PM, Torpedo Forecheck said: Borgen overrated by this board Risto underrated by this board NHL people Risto> Borgen by a mile my Unbiased opinion Expand I really don't see this to be the case. I am not over / under rating anyone. I am just very done with Risto as a Sabre. Quote
Taro T Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 6:11 PM, Buffalonill said: And if buffalo gives any draft picks for the draft they are run by morans still. Expand A 3rd or higher, yeah. A 4th or 5th, maybe but doubtful. A 6th or 7th, nope. Kind of expecting Adams to just let the chips fall where they may at this point. Botterill brought in Miller & almost positive he gave Girgensons the 3 year deal. With his input, maybe Seattle leaves Borgen alone. Expecting the injury will scare them away from McCabe and with the D available to them don't see a reason for them to take the rights to Pilut. Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 3:11 PM, Cal Naughton Jr said: Borgen?!? Expand Live look in at Brayton Wilson on WGR yesterday. Quote
ExWNYer Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 4:14 PM, Hoss said: Same. I have hope he’ll be traded. But that doesn’t mean I’m just letting him walk for nothing when the alternative loss isn’t that big. I have hope for Borgen but I’m not that worried if we can’t retain him. Expand That's about where I fall on the Borgen spectrum. I'm hoping he's not taken but I won't lose any sleep if he is. On 7/18/2021 at 4:49 PM, StuckinFL said: So we're all in agreement that we don't live in the timeline that Seattle pulls a fast one and takes Skinner. Had to argue that point with my cousin yesterday. Expand I don't think anyone believes that Skinner will be the choice unless GMKA made a deal with Seattle to take him off of the team's hands. Even then, the Sabres would probably retain some salary so what's the point? Not happening. 2 Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 6:37 PM, YouDigg said: Borgen is gone, but this really makes no difference. Sabres are years away from being competitive. If you want a real eye opener, look at the Lightning protected list. Most of the exposed players (Killorn, Palat, Gourde, etc) are better than most of our protected players! SMH Expand I doubt he even gets taken 1 Quote
Hoss Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 4:28 PM, inkman said: Please don’t ever post about this team bit being being tough enough then. That’s Will Borgen. A player the likes of we’ve been waiting for since 2000. Expand I’ll believe Borgen when I see Borgen. On 7/18/2021 at 5:01 PM, bob_sauve28 said: No, you get three years out of a decent player at a very valuable position vs just one year. Now we might lose both after next season. It’s just asset management, yes, Risto is way better, but still. 3 for 1 Expand This team is not going to lose Risto for nothing. 1 Quote
Hoss Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 6:00 PM, Randall Flagg said: Overrated is a terrible adjective for Borgen. He literally isn't rate-able yet Expand Right. But this fanbase still rates him like he’s an NHL player and not an end-of-the-line prospect. 1 Quote
kas23 Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Exposing Borgen over Risto gives me hope in our FO. With Borgen having to pass through waivers, that some 2nd level thinking. 1 Quote
Ross Rhea Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Nothing against Borgen but if he was that good he would have more than 14 NHL games under his belt by now, he's going to be 25 in Dec. This team has been pathetic for a long time and he has not been able to beat out some of the pathetic dmen the Sabres have rolled out there to get more than 14 games. Yeah, i'll take Risto all day every day. Quote
Thorny Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 6:00 PM, Randall Flagg said: Overrated is a terrible adjective for Borgen. He literally isn't rate-able yet Expand I think you can begin to build a bit of a projection based on the fact he isn't ratable yet at his age Quote
Taro T Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) On 7/18/2021 at 7:12 PM, Ross Rhea said: Nothing against Borgen but if he was that good he would have more than 14 NHL games under his belt by now, he's going to be 25 in Dec. This team has been pathetic for a long time and he has not been able to beat out some of the pathetic dmen the Sabres have rolled out there to get more than 14 games. Yeah, i'll take Risto all day every day. Expand And most of his past 2 seasons were spent playing for a coach that prefers vets to rookies and 1/2 of that was for a GM that stockpiled RHDs like they were TP on March 30, 2020. Plus he was injured for a good portion of the tenure of the coach that actually plays young guys. The fact he only has 14 games in at this point is more on circumstances than his play. But, yes, he absolutely isn't a sure thing. But IMHO he's been 3rd pairing quality for the past 2 years and could very likely be the stay at home 1/2 of a 2nd pairing (and might continue to have chemistry w/ Dahlin and actually play above that much like Daughty allows McNabb to be "1st pairing" though at the time he was 3rd pairing quality.) Edited July 18, 2021 by Taro T 2 1 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 7:22 PM, Thorny said: I think you can begin to build a bit of a projection based on the fact he isn't ratable yet at his age Expand This would be true if it wasn't a unanimous judgment that he was ready all last year, but having 4 RHD kept him in Rochester. His brief play before injury this year confirmed that he was ready to start becoming an NHL D. He looked better than McCabe did for about 3 years for example 1 Quote
Thorny Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 7:54 PM, Randall Flagg said: This would be true if it wasn't a unanimous judgment that he was ready all last year, but having 4 RHD kept him in Rochester. His brief play before injury this year confirmed that he was ready to start becoming an NHL D. He looked better than McCabe did for about 3 years for example Expand I think we've seen enough from him to have a limit on his ceiling for example Quote
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