Expansion draft timeline and roster freezes

[inkman]

2 hours ago, Buffalonill said:

Who are we exposing for this draft ?

 

 

Hopefully the front office doesn’t get exposed.  Hearing they haven’t even asked Skinner to waive his NMC for the expansion draft is discouraging.  Hearing they are talking with the Kraken about Okposo is perplexing and also discouraging.  I figured with Ventura and Karmanos aboard, this kinda of stuff would be history.  

[inkman]

1 hour ago, SyrSabreFan said:

Really hope Risto is traded before the cutoff so we can protect Borgen.

They can just leave Risto exposed for the draft.  He has no real value to any team that even knows what analytics are. 

[inkman]

10 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Imagine signing Skinner to an 8 year deal and at the same time hiring a coach who doesn't want to play him lmao

Why do you have to do this to me?  I’m on vacation to boot. 😀

[Thorner]

2 minutes ago, inkman said:

Why do you have to do this to me?  I’m on vacation to boot. 😀

Botterill came up in another thread so it's now Botterill day

Happy Botterill Day to you and yours

[GASabresIUFAN]

We can't over think this.  We are going to lose 1 player.  I'd love for them to take KO or Miller off our hands.  I'd give them a small incentive to take KO (6th rd pick) and none to take Miller.  What is the worst they can do to us?  Take Borgen or Bjork.  Enjoy!

You protect

At Forward : Skinner, Eichel, Reinhart, VO, Mitts, Asplund & Thompson.  Then they can choose from Girgensons, Eakin, KO, Bjork and other garbage.

On Defense:  Dahlin, Jokiharju and Risto.  They can choose from Miller and Borgen (and his 14 games of NHL experience.)

Not exactly a list of NHL great to grace their expansion team.

Edited July 12, 2021 by GASabresIUFAN

[Thorner]

It's really one of the few silver linings about being as bad as we have - we literally do not need to worry about the expansion draft and should not - we will almost certainly gain from it relative to the league at large as most teams will be losing better players than us as we have a weaker roster than most. 

[Weave]

16 minutes ago, Thorny said:

It's really one of the few silver linings about being as bad as we have - we literally do not need to worry about the expansion draft and should not - we will almost certainly gain from it relative to the league at large as most teams will be losing better players than us as we have a weaker roster than most. 

Yup.  Won’t matter who we lose.  We’ll never notice it on the ice.

[LGR4GM]

53 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Imagine signing Skinner to an 8 year deal and at the same time hiring a coach who doesn't want to play him lmao

Botterill couldn't see the forest through the trees. 

[nfreeman]

46 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

We can't over think this.  We are going to lose 1 player.  I'd love for them to take KO or Miller off our hands.  I'd give them a small incentive to take KO (6th rd pick) and none to take Miller.  What is the worst they can do to us?  Take Borgen or Bjork.  Enjoy!

You protect

At Forward : Skinner, Eichel, Reinhart, VO, Mitts, Asplund & Thompson.  Then they can choose from Girgensons, Eakin, KO, Bjork and other garbage.

On Defense:  Dahlin, Jokiharju and Risto.  They can choose from Miller and Borgen (and his 14 games of NHL experience.)

Not exactly a list of NHL great to grace their expansion team.

I think this is the way it will shake out except that Bjork will be protected instead of Asplund.

[GASabresIUFAN]

4 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

I think this is the way it will shake out except that Bjork will be protected instead of Asplund.

Not if we use analytics to help make the decision.

[Zamboni]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Not if we use analytics to help make the decision.

Yea I would hope they see Asplund having more of an upside than Bjork long term.

[PerreaultForever]

I wouldn't give up any draft picks unless it was for them to take a nmc waived Skinner which isn't going to happen. Nothing else we have is overly important or matters. Bunch of low end guys all pretty much the same. 

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Not if we use analytics to help make the decision.

Just curious as to what analytics you would be referencing?  I don't have access (that I know of) to anything other then corsi/fenwick type stuff, and they are pretty close in those categories.

Not surprisingly, Bjork's corsi/fenwick #s were better in Boston (as were Hall's and Lazar's).   

I would protect Asplund over Bjork, because he is 16 months younger and can also play centre. 

 

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

Just curious as to what analytics you would be referencing?  I don't have access (that I know of) to anything other then corsi/fenwick type stuff, and they are pretty close in those categories.

Not surprisingly, Bjork's corsi/fenwick #s were better in Boston (as were Hall's and Lazar's).   

I would protect Asplund over Bjork, because he is 16 months younger and can also play centre. 

 

 

Sadly IMHO analytics are somewhat dependent on who you play for however Asplund's offense stats are some of the best on the team despite starting 60% of the time in the D zone.  His corsi and fenwick are both better then Bjork, yet somehow Bjork received more PT.  

[Thorner]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Sadly IMHO analytics are somewhat dependent on who you play for however Asplund's offense stats are some of the best on the team despite starting 60% of the time in the D zone.  His corsi and fenwick are both better then Bjork, yet somehow Bjork received more PT.  

Go ahead, @Doohickie

[Doohicksie]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Go ahead, @Doohickie

You're apparently remembering something I forgot many beers ago.

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, Doohickie said:

You're apparently remembering something I forgot many beers ago.

I don't think it's fair to the board, and Asplund, that the NHL hasn't scheduled him for games of late. He hasn't had a chance to pot one. 

[Doohicksie]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I don't think it's fair to the board, and Asplund, that the NHL hasn't scheduled him for games of late. He hasn't had a chance to pot one. 

I really don't know what you're saying or how you think I'm involved. 

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, Doohickie said:

I really don't know what you're saying or how you think I'm involved. 

haha sorry. the meme when he scores a goal. unless i'm well mistaken lol 

[Doohicksie]

https://flic.kr/p/2kEtSLn

[dudacek]

Bjork should be the forward exposed.

Given the number of times his name gets brought up in terms of growth potential, he won’t be.

 

[Taro T]

8 hours ago, Thorny said:

It's really one of the few silver linings about being as bad as we have - we literally do not need to worry about the expansion draft and should not - we will almost certainly gain from it relative to the league at large as most teams will be losing better players than us as we have a weaker roster than most. 

Well, unless they work out a deal to make sure a vet is selected (how sweet would it be to have them go off the board for a 4th & Tokarski) the Sabres will lose Bjork or Borgen.

Adams has been talking up Bjork, so maybe that's part of a campaign to convince Seattle he'll be another Carrier.

Losing Borgen WILL likely hurt, as he should be able to be a 2nd pairing stay at home D-man, but it won't be like losing a true top pairing D-man.

This all presumes the trading of 1-3 of the "big 3" happens on entry draft day.  Should any get moved before then, the Sabres likely get to protect B&B.

But, the stinking draft SHOULD'VE happened last off-season & the Sabres wouldn't even have lost either B nor B.  Hutton would've been the selection as had been planned when he was signed.  There was absolutely NOTHING of value the Sabres had to expose that year.

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

Well, unless they work out a deal to make sure a vet is selected (how sweet would it be to have them go off the board for a 4th & Tokarski) the Sabres will lose Bjork or Borgen.

Adams has been talking up Bjork, so maybe that's part of a campaign to convince Seattle he'll be another Carrier.

Losing Borgen WILL likely hurt, as he should be able to be a 2nd pairing stay at home D-man, but it won't be like losing a true top pairing D-man.

This all presumes the trading of 1-3 of the "big 3" happens on entry draft day.  Should any get moved before then, the Sabres likely get to protect B&B.

But, the stinking draft SHOULD'VE happened last off-season & the Sabres wouldn't even have lost either B nor B.  Hutton would've been the selection as had been planned when he was signed.  There was absolutely NOTHING of value the Sabres had to expose that year.

There is no one we are going to lose that will hurt.  Borgen is 24 and has 14 games of NHL experience (with zero points).  I like this player, but projecting him as anything more then a 3rd pairing guy is over enthusiasm at this point.   Samuelsson does everything Borgen does just better.  Asplund if left exposed is the only player I can say we might miss, but he is replaceable as well.  

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

There is no one we are going to lose that will hurt.  Borgen is 24 and has 14 games of NHL experience (with zero points).  I like this player, but projecting him as anything more then a 3rd pairing guy is over enthusiasm at this point.   Samuelsson does everything Borgen does just better.  Asplund if left exposed is the only player I can say we might miss, but he is replaceable as well.  

It's not going to be crippling, but losing Borgen will hurt.  They need to have 2 stay at home D-men & Borgen can fill one of those slots for a fairly long time & will likely grow into being solid in a top 4 role.

It's kind of interesting that you absolutely decry the McNabb trade but are ho-hum about Borgen.  McNabb is solid, but he was 'meh' for a long time.  Including when he was on LA's top pair with Daughty.  He was FIFTH in ice time on those teams and was rarely, if ever, used in crunch time.

Should they be dumb enough to expose Asplund, Francis would be foolish not to jump on that option.  He'll never be a top 6 guy but he'll be a high end bottom 6 guy.  The sort of player that top end teams have keeping the other teams on their toes.

[LGR4GM]

The answer to keeping Borgen is simple... expose Risto and protect Borgen. Or trade Risto prior to the 17th.