thewookie1 Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 6:30 AM, Hoss said: Now this? THIS is the HUGE journalistic mistake. Thankful he corrected it. Expand Strangely, the Wolves have never been related to the Blackhawks. Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/28/2021 at 7:16 PM, Taro T said: Preseason, aka exhibition, hockey. 😉 Expand Why the ***** does that matter? Quote
Taro T Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 2:12 PM, The Ghost of Doohickie said: Why the ***** does that matter? Expand For what happened to Beach it doesn't. But for understanding the story & whether there is still another shoe to be dropped, as @Eleven stated, it does matter. Either the initial reporting was inaccurate or there are two more people that allegedly were victimized by the coach that we don't know about. 1 Quote
Flashsabre Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 Chevy’s meeting with Bettman was moved up from Monday to today. I think you can guarantee there will be a new GM in Winnipeg. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 2:49 PM, Flashsabre said: Chevy’s meeting with Bettman was moved up from Monday to today. I think you can guarantee there will be a new GM in Winnipeg. Expand I think so to. Chevy’s only defense was he was a AGM and had no “power” but that rings hollow when you realize he kept quiet for 11 years. He honestly should be gone. The next steps are cleaning house at the NHLPA. The Union has a duty to it’s players to protect them even more than the teams. Once the Union knew what happened to Beach they did nothing. Absolutely nothing. Fehr and his leadership group need to go. The Blackhawks and the Union need to writing Beach and his family really large checks to compensate him for the damage they caused. 3 Quote
Buffalonill Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) So the owner requested Brad Aldrich’s name to be off the cup . How about you request to have your team removed completely You all had your hands in the cookie jars you sick ***** Edited October 29, 2021 by Buffalonill 2 Quote
K-9 Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 3:03 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: I think so to. Chevy’s only defense was he was a AGM and had no “power” but that rings hollow when you realize he kept quiet for 11 years. He honestly should be gone. The next steps are cleaning house at the NHLPA. The Union has a duty to it’s players to protect them even more than the teams. Once the Union knew what happened to Beach they did nothing. Absolutely nothing. Fehr and his leadership group need to go. The Blackhawks and the Union need to writing Beach and his family really large checks to compensate him for the damage they caused. Expand The Blackhawks and Union need to write even bigger checks to the kid in Michigan who Aldrich never would of had a chance to abuse if anyone in Chicago and the Union had the moral compass and courage to do what was necessary in the first place. They are all complicit in a minor in Michigan being abused by a sexual predator. 2 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 Chevaldayov gets a free pass. BS. Quote
Buffalonill Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 5:32 PM, K-9 said: The Blackhawks and Union need to write even bigger checks to the kid in Michigan who Aldrich never would of had a chance to abuse if anyone in Chicago and the Union had the moral compass and courage to do what was necessary in the first place. They are all complicit in a minor in Michigan being abused by a sexual predator. Expand Exactly the blackhawks should get the biggest punishment in history for letting a monster back in the world when they knew exactly who he was Quote
Buffalonill Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 6:37 PM, PerreaultForever said: Chevaldayov gets a free pass. BS. Expand absolutely unbelievable Quote
LabattBlue Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) On 10/29/2021 at 6:37 PM, PerreaultForever said: Chevaldayov gets a free pass. BS. Expand It is BS. If he was a stand up guy, he would step aside. There is no innocent bystander, if he was in the room, and/or was privy about the attitudes of his boss…he needs to go. Edited October 30, 2021 by LabattBlue 2 1 Quote
K-9 Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 6:37 PM, PerreaultForever said: Chevaldayov gets a free pass. BS. Expand Shameful. He is every bit as complicit in Aldrich’s abuse of that minor in Michigan as Quennevile and the rest of those gutless wonders in the Blackhawk organization. 8 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 6:37 PM, PerreaultForever said: Chevaldayov gets a free pass. BS. Expand This is serious but typical NHL BS. What did Chevy do for the last 11 years to help Beach and the other victims? Nothing. Wpg needs to let him go 1 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 29, 2021 Report Posted October 29, 2021 Saw DGs statement on Beach and coach Q and he was intelligent, focused on Beach and said his relationship with Q is irrelevant since we should be focused on Beach 1 Quote
Marvin Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 The NHLPA has a duty to protect its members. I just read that Don Fehr was told about the accusation. I don't care that Kyle Beach was in the minors -- Fehr had a duty to report to the authorities what might have been going on. Disgusting. 3 1 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 6:56 PM, LabattBlue said: It is BS. If he was a stand up guy, he would step aside. There is no innocent bystander if he was in the room, and/or was privy about the attitudes of his boss…he needs to go. Expand He was in that room. They have said "he was the lowest ranking person in the room" but he was in it. he kept his mouth shut like the rest of them. Let's not forget that that 16 year old, whoever he is, doesn't get assaulted if any one of them speaks up. I also think, although don't quote me on it I might have it wrong, but didn't Chevaldayov say much earlier that he didn't know? So in other words, he lied while he could. In any event, it's BS. 2 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 The Jets should make a statement and fire his ass immediately, if not sooner. 2 Quote
SDS Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 4:37 AM, SwampD said: Everyone needs to settle down. I find all the torches and pitchforks a little ridiculous. Think about actual human interactions. It takes so few to create this sh!tstorm. I choose to believe that most of the parties involved thought, "Nah. There is no way that happened." Not, "Ooh, that happened. Let's cover it up because we are winning." Expand There is the real possibility that the bystander effect is also at play here. If employee D knows employee C knows about it and employee C knows employee B knows about it… then it is hard to blame employee D for their superiors failings. 3 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) On 10/30/2021 at 4:50 AM, SDS said: There is the real possibility that the bystander effect is also at play here. If employee D knows employee C knows about it and employee C knows employee B knows about it… then it is hard to blame employee D for their superiors failings. Expand We have whistleblower laws for a reason. Chevy knew what happened to Beach, knew for 11 years that nothing was done to help Beach by the Hawks and the NHLPA and did nothing himself. It would have been nice if at least one underlying would have stepped up and blew the whistle. Apparently Chevy was more interested in protecting his career then doing what is right. If I owned WPG, I’d fire Chevy. Edited October 30, 2021 by GASabresIUFAN 3 Quote
Eleven Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 Someone on WGR just articulated the awesome idea that Aldrich's name should remain on the Cup, but should be defaced with a line through it or scratched through or something, so that everyone who sees the Cup wonders why and finds out. It's a great idea. It's better than removing it. 3 Quote
dudacek Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 3:17 PM, Eleven said: Someone on WGR just articulated the awesome idea that Aldrich's name should remain on the Cup, but should be defaced with a line through it or scratched through or something, so that everyone who sees the Cup wonders why and finds out. It's a great idea. It's better than removing it. Expand From the article I read, the name can't be removed, only covered. Precedent was set when Peter Pocklington put his dad's name on the cup. Quote
Eleven Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 5:00 AM, GASabresIUFAN said: We have whistleblower laws for a reason. Chevy knew what happened to Beach, knew for 11 years that nothing was done to help Beach by the Hawks and the NHLPA and did nothing himself. It would have been nice if at least one underlying would have stepped up and blew the whistle. Apparently Chevy was more interested in protecting his career then doing what is right. If I owned WPG, I’d fire Chevy. Expand Whistleblower laws don't address the bystander effect that Scott is talking about, though. For those unfamiliar, the bystander effect refers to the very real phenomenon that when there are many people witnessing a situation, all assume that someone else is going to take action. A classic example is a mugging on a busy city street: The bystanders all stand and stare, thinking that someone else is going to intervene; meanwhile, the victim gets knocked on her head and her purse is stolen. On 10/30/2021 at 3:18 PM, dudacek said: From the article I read, the name can't be removed, only covered. Precedent was set when Peter Pocklington put his dad's name on the cup. Expand It's the NHL, not the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Can't it do whatever it wants? Quote
dudacek Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 3:20 PM, Eleven said: Whistleblower laws don't address the bystander effect that Scott is talking about, though. For those unfamiliar, the bystander effect refers to the very real phenomenon that when there are many people witnessing a situation, all assume that someone else is going to take action. A classic example is a mugging on a busy city street: The bystanders all stand and stare, thinking that someone else is going to intervene; meanwhile, the victim gets knocked on her head and her purse is stolen. It's the NHL, not the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Can't it do whatever it wants? Expand The article didn't elaborate, but the impression it gave was that it is a physical issue, not a philosophical one. Quote
Eleven Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) On 10/30/2021 at 3:22 PM, dudacek said: The article didn't elaborate, but the impression it gave was that it is a physical issue, not a philosophical one. Expand Ah, I misunderstood... so they'd have to build a whole new ring. Makes sense. So then they should be able to scratch through the name on the existing Cups. Edited October 30, 2021 by Eleven Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 30, 2021 Report Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 3:20 PM, Eleven said: Whistleblower laws don't address the bystander effect that Scott is talking about, though. For those unfamiliar, the bystander effect refers to the very real phenomenon that when there are many people witnessing a situation, all assume that someone else is going to take action. A classic example is a mugging on a busy city street: The bystanders all stand and stare, thinking that someone else is going to intervene; meanwhile, the victim gets knocked on her head and her purse is stolen. It's the NHL, not the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Can't it do whatever it wants? Expand I wasn’t talking about the bystander effect, which isn’t relevant in this case. Chevy wasn’t a bystander. He wasn’t a witness. Chevy was in the meeting when the facts were disclosed and a decision by management made to bury it. I understand he had no power to override that decision, but legally he’d have been protected had he exposed the coverup. Quote
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