LGR4GM Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 7:23 PM, 7+6=13 said: Why isn't Granato being interviewed for the other openings? Expand The other head coach openings? Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 7:23 PM, 7+6=13 said: Why isn't Granato being interviewed for the other openings? Expand Why isn't Boudreau? 1 Quote
mjd1001 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) On 6/22/2021 at 5:29 PM, pi2000 said: Not true. Rolston had 12 years coaching at the NCAA D1 level before heading up the NTDP U17 team and then being hired as Amerks head coach. Granato had 13 years coaching experience (USHL/AHL) before heading up the NTDP U17 team. Their backgrounds are very similar, they're the same age, both played in the WCHA at the same time, and had short careers in the ECHL. It's just more of the classic Sabres "let's keep doing the same thing over and over and hope it works out this time" mentality. Expand You are just wrong. You may not like Granato as a head coach, and maybe he will not turn out to be a good one, but you are 100% wrong in saying they have a similar background. Granatos coaching experience at the pro level, AHL, NHL assistant, ECHL.....there is a ton of experience that were Rolston had very little. Granato coached many years in the USHL, the East Coast league, and then was coach of the year in the AHL with 5 years of coaching in the AHL, and then additional experience in the AHL with Chicago later in his career. Granato also had stints as an assistant coach in the NHL with the Blues, Blackhawks, and of course the Sabres. Granato pro coaching experience up to potentially named coach of Sabres this summer: 210 games head coach in the ECHL, 480 games as head coach in the AHL, parts of 5 seasons assistant in the NHL with 3 different teams, and head coach of the sabres taking over for Krueger and doing better. Rolston pro coaching experience up to being named coach of the Sabres: 152 games head coach in the AHL. That is a HUGE difference. Edited June 22, 2021 by mjd1001 3 Quote
Flashsabre Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 6:52 PM, nfreeman said: This is obnoxious. Expand Thanks 1 Quote
Zamboni Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 For some around here who claim they have a lot of hockey experience… It’s quite stunning how Rolston is brought up as a comparable to Granato. 😂 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 There are only 2 other openings yeah? The list of interviewees of one of those teams wasn't impressive, I cant remember which 1 Quote
dudacek Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 7:23 PM, 7+6=13 said: Why isn't Granato being interviewed for the other openings? Expand 1) Can he be? Isn't he under contract to the Sabres? 2) How do you know he hasn't? Quote
pi2000 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 8:12 PM, Zamboni said: For some around here who claim they have a lot of hockey experience… It’s quite stunning how Rolston is brought up as a comparable to Granato. 😂 Expand Throw a pair of gardening gloves on him and you wouldn't know the difference. Quote
pi2000 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 7:54 PM, mjd1001 said: You are just wrong. You may not like Granato as a head coach, and maybe he will not turn out to be a good one, but you are 100% wrong in saying they have a similar background. Granatos coaching experience at the pro level, AHL, NHL assistant, ECHL.....there is a ton of experience that were Rolston had very little. Granato coached many years in the USHL, the East Coast league, and then was coach of the year in the AHL with 5 years of coaching in the AHL, and then additional experience in the AHL with Chicago later in his career. Granato also had stints as an assistant coach in the NHL with the Blues, Blackhawks, and of course the Sabres. Granato pro coaching experience up to potentially named coach of Sabres this summer: 210 games head coach in the ECHL, 480 games as head coach in the AHL, parts of 5 seasons assistant in the NHL with 3 different teams, and head coach of the sabres taking over for Krueger and doing better. Rolston pro coaching experience up to being named coach of the Sabres: 152 games head coach in the AHL. That is a HUGE difference. Expand Aa someone who's played both D1 and pro, the coaching really isn't that much different at all. My main concern is you're basing the hire off a 30 game stretch... that's it. And if you peel back the onion, their advanced stats were actually worse under Granato than Kruger. The only real difference was shooting % and save % at even strength. Their shooting % was ridiculously high the last few months of the season... unsustainable moving forward IMO. Defensively they continue to give up too much and took a step back under Granato in that area (high danger chances against per 60)... so yeah, I'm skeptical. 2 Quote
dudacek Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 Rolston https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/403/ron-rolston Granato https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/6938/don-granato Quote
sabremike Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 There are roughly 380 Million people in the US and Canada combined and exactly two available NHL head coach jobs. In a situation like that how can an organization come up with as pitiful and laughable a pool of candidates as this organization? Unfortunately we all know the answer: The worst owner in the league's modern history. 2 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 7:54 PM, mjd1001 said: You are just wrong. You may not like Granato as a head coach, and maybe he will not turn out to be a good one, but you are 100% wrong in saying they have a similar background. Granatos coaching experience at the pro level, AHL, NHL assistant, ECHL.....there is a ton of experience that were Rolston had very little. Granato coached many years in the USHL, the East Coast league, and then was coach of the year in the AHL with 5 years of coaching in the AHL, and then additional experience in the AHL with Chicago later in his career. Granato also had stints as an assistant coach in the NHL with the Blues, Blackhawks, and of course the Sabres. Granato pro coaching experience up to potentially named coach of Sabres this summer: 210 games head coach in the ECHL, 480 games as head coach in the AHL, parts of 5 seasons assistant in the NHL with 3 different teams, and head coach of the sabres taking over for Krueger and doing better. Rolston pro coaching experience up to being named coach of the Sabres: 152 games head coach in the AHL. That is a HUGE difference. Expand There's one reason why people hate Granato. Because he came out of the Sabres. Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 22, 2021 Report Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 11:09 PM, sabremike said: There are roughly 380 Million people in the US and Canada combined and exactly two available NHL head coach jobs. In a situation like that how can an organization come up with as pitiful and laughable a pool of candidates as this organization? Unfortunately we all know the answer: The worst owner in the league's modern history. Expand ... did you see the list of ppl they interviewed? It was fairly extensive. Quote
Zamboni Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 11:25 PM, LGR4GM said: ... did you see the list of ppl they interviewed? It was fairly extensive. Expand Hey, they didn’t interview a giraffe or a giraffe trainer or a giraffe dietician or some other tired giraffe reference. So it’s an obvious fail. *beats dead giraffe gif* Seriously, the Sabres can’t be blamed for interviewing very few candidates. And honestly, no matter who was interviewed, someone would whine about who they did or didn’t interview. It taking too long, or it not taking long enough. Quote
dudacek Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 11:09 PM, sabremike said: There are roughly 380 Million people in the US and Canada combined and exactly two available NHL head coach jobs. In a situation like that how can an organization come up with as pitiful and laughable a pool of candidates as this organization? Unfortunately we all know the answer: The worst owner in the league's modern history. Expand So you know who they interviewed? And you know who they didn’t interview? Id like to see their list alongside the list you would have interviewed so I can see for myself how pitiful and laughable it was. Because it kinda sounds like you are making things up. 1 Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 6:06 PM, woods-racer said: as a side note I keep wanting to spell Granato as Granado. I keep hearing Ricardo Montalban singing a Chrysler commercial as I type Granado too... Expand The GranadA was a Ford. You're thinking of the Cordoba. 1 Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 9:04 PM, pi2000 said: Throw a pair of gardening gloves on him and you wouldn't know the difference. Expand Now there's a persuasive argument if I ever heard one. Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 10:39 PM, dudacek said: Rolston https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/403/ron-rolston Granato https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/6938/don-granato Expand Not sure what point you're trying to make. Kind of a lazy post. Quote
sabremike Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 1:01 AM, dudacek said: So you know who they interviewed? And you know who they didn’t interview? Id like to see their list alongside the list you would have interviewed so I can see for myself how pitiful and laughable it was. Because it kinda sounds like you are making things up. Expand All of the names are out there and it's a Vegas 5 Star Golden Lock that the guy they pick will be an entry level hire. The one non entry level guy I think (But am not 100% on that off the top of my head) they talked to was Boudreau (whom any sane person in their position would hire) and he has zero chance of getting the job. Quote
dudacek Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 1:12 AM, Doohickie said: Not sure what point you're trying to make. Kind of a lazy post. Expand Too lazy to click on the links and compare? 😜 It’s your chance to compare Rolston’s resume in 2013 with Granato’s in 2021. On 6/23/2021 at 1:15 AM, sabremike said: All of the names are out there and it's a Vegas 5 Star Golden Lock that the guy they pick will be an entry level hire. The one non entry level guy I think (But am not 100% on that off the top of my head) they talked to was Boudreau (whom any sane person in their position would hire) and he has zero chance of getting the job. Expand So you don’t know who the interviewed and you were making things up? Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 I still don't know what your point is. Seriously. Quote
sabremike Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 12:57 AM, Zamboni said: Hey, they didn’t interview a giraffe or a giraffe trainer or a giraffe dietician or some other tired giraffe reference. So it’s an obvious fail. *beats dead giraffe gif* Seriously, the Sabres can’t be blamed for interviewing very few candidates. And honestly, no matter who was interviewed, someone would whine about who they did or didn’t interview. It taking too long, or it not taking long enough. Expand Quote
dudacek Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) On 6/23/2021 at 1:17 AM, Doohickie said: I still don't know what your point is. Seriously. Expand There was debate going on in front of my post about whether or not Granato is Ron Rolston 2.0. My point was to provide posters with their resumes so they could compare for themselves. Edited June 23, 2021 by dudacek Quote
Carmel Corn Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 1:05 AM, Doohickie said: The GranadA was a Ford. You're thinking of the Cordoba. Expand Yes....and remember the commercial where Ford tried to convince us that the Granada was just like a Mercedes Benz? Kind of like saying the Sabres are similar to the Tampa Lightning. 1 Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 23, 2021 Report Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 1:20 AM, dudacek said: There was debate going on in front of my post a out whether or not Granato is Ron Rolston 2.0. My point was to provide posters with their resumes so they could compare for themselves. Expand See, now I finally know what your intent was. But still, posting to a bunch of stats doesn't say if your for or against Granato. People will read into the stats what they want. Quote
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