DarthEbriate Posted June 16, 2021 Report Posted June 16, 2021 On 6/16/2021 at 9:04 PM, Randall Flagg said: I just had a vision. We acquire 3OA and Gibson and smaller pieces and thats it. Sad Expand You're not going to die in childbirth trade Eichel just for the 3, Gibson, the rights to Lundestrom, and Derek Grant, @Randall Flagg, I promise. No, I promise you! Quote
Thorner Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/16/2021 at 8:42 PM, dudacek said: I think from previous conversations you tend to draw sharper lines between prospects than I do. To answer your question, if I had Beniers, I would not trade him for Cozens. If I had Cozens, I would not trade him for Beniers. I consider them roughly on par in terms of ability, very much the type of player I would want on my team, and project each developing into a Ryan-O'Reilly level NHL player. Zegras I see as more of a Willie Nylander/Mitch Marner type, with a higher offensive ceiling than Beniers/Cozens, a lower floor, and less all-round utility. Expand Actually, ROR is a pretty darn high bar for those two. Arguably a top 10 league centre, now playing at a point a game pace - pretty lofty. It could happen, but wouldn't be my base projection for either If that was Beniers projection I don't think he's sitting at consensus 3-5 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 12:27 AM, Thorny said: Actually, ROR is a pretty darn high bar for those two. Arguably a top 10 league centre, now playing at a point a game pace - pretty lofty. It could happen, but wouldn't be my base projection for either If that was Beniers projection I don't think he's sitting at consensus 3-5 Expand We need to talk about that word consensus again... But yes Beniers is not Eichel level Quote
Thorner Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) On 6/17/2021 at 12:29 AM, LGR4GM said: We need to talk about that word consensus again... But yes Beniers is not Eichel level Expand He was saying ROR level but I don't see that as a solid projection. Ceiling, yes ROR was 15th in NHL.com's centre rank last offseason, for example - between Tavares and Point and also above Pettersson, Couturier, and Barzal. He's a top tier guy Edited June 17, 2021 by Thorny Quote
Thorner Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 12:29 AM, LGR4GM said: We need to talk about that word consensus again... But yes Beniers is not Eichel level Expand Sorry, but: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus "the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned" Isn't Power ranked first by about 6/10? Last I checked that's "most", and, therefore, fairly termed a consensus Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 12:35 AM, Thorny said: Sorry, but: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus "the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned" Isn't Power ranked first by about 6/10? Last I checked that's "most", and, therefore, fairly termed a consensus Expand Most of those concerned to me means above 60% more like 90% but I'm splitting hairs. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 12:36 AM, LGR4GM said: Most of those concerned to me means above 60% more like 90% but I'm splitting hairs. Expand What are your thoughts on Beniers and Cozens re: ROR as a projection? A fair one? Better as a ceiling? Floor? Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 12:38 AM, Thorny said: What are your thoughts on Beniers and Cozens re: ROR as a projection? A fair one? Better as a ceiling? Floor? Expand It's a style comparison for me. Beniers ceiling though, yes ror ish 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 Cozens ceiling? Idk. Someone else can answer that. Quote
Thorner Posted June 17, 2021 Report Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 12:42 AM, LGR4GM said: Cozens ceiling? Idk. Someone else can answer that. Expand Jeff Carter 1 Quote
Curt Posted June 20, 2021 Report Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) On 6/16/2021 at 6:12 PM, LGR4GM said: Comtois and Perrault are musts in any Eichel deal if Zegras is off the table. Expand If Anaheim refuses to move Zegras or Drysdale and no other team is offering up a prospect of that level, could Buffalo get a package of Comtois, Perrault, #3 overall in 2021, and another piece (2022 or 2023 1st, Lukas Dostal, Benoit-Olivier Groulx)? That would probably be seen as a disappointing return by most Sabres fans, but KA would be able to say that he got his 4 1st round pick (value wise) type pieces that he was reportedly asking for. Edited June 20, 2021 by Curt Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 20, 2021 Report Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/20/2021 at 12:47 AM, Curt said: If Anaheim refuses to move Zegras or Drysdale and no other team is offering up a prospect of that level, could Buffalo get a package of Comtois, Perrault, #3 overall in 2021, and another piece (2022 or 2023 1st, Lukas Dostal, Benoit-Olivier Groulx)? That would probably be seen as a disappointing return by most Sabres fans, but KA would be able to say that he got his 4 1st round pick (value wise) type pieces that he was reportedly asking for. Expand Quote
Huckleberry Posted June 20, 2021 Report Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/20/2021 at 10:15 PM, LGR4GM said: Expand hell of gamble with Gibson though 🙂 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 20, 2021 Report Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/20/2021 at 10:47 PM, Huckleberry said: hell of gamble with Gibson though 🙂 Expand Probably a mistake. I think zegras and Drysdale are more valuable Quote
Huckleberry Posted June 20, 2021 Report Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/20/2021 at 10:49 PM, LGR4GM said: Probably a mistake. I think zegras and Drysdale are more valuable Expand Yeah I would rather have Zegras myself. Quote
Curt Posted June 20, 2021 Report Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/20/2021 at 10:15 PM, LGR4GM said: Expand Gibson would be a bit of a surprise for me, because if they make a trade for Eichel, you would think that they would be trying to win now, and Gibson would kind of need to be a part of that. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 20, 2021 Report Posted June 20, 2021 If the Sabres re-sign Reinhart, Gibson fits the Sabres Timeline. If neither Sam or Jack are returning, acquiring Gibson makes little sense unless he is being moved for more assets Quote
nfreeman Posted June 21, 2021 Report Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/20/2021 at 11:53 PM, Brawndo said: If the Sabres re-sign Reinhart, Gibson fits the Sabres Timeline. If neither Sam or Jack are returning, acquiring Gibson makes little sense unless he is being moved for more assets Expand Based on what you’ve heard, how likely is it that they resign Reino? Quote
JohnC Posted June 21, 2021 Report Posted June 21, 2021 If the Sabres had to choose between an Anaheim offer of Zegras, Comtois and their 3OA or a Chicago deal for Kirby Dach, their first round pick and a couple of previously mentioned players from their roster which one would be the better offer? Quote
Curt Posted June 21, 2021 Report Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/21/2021 at 12:06 AM, JohnC said: If the Sabres had to choose between an Anaheim offer of Zegras, Comtois and their 3OA or a Chicago deal for Kirby Dach, their first round pick and a couple of previously mentioned players from their roster which one would be the better offer? Expand Who are the previously mentioned Chicago guys? I’d say Anaheim unless those Chicago guys are better than Comtois. Quote
JohnC Posted June 21, 2021 Report Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/21/2021 at 12:09 AM, Curt said: Who are the previously mentioned Chicago guys? I’d say Anaheim unless those Chicago guys are better than Comtois. Expand In a post by @Flashsabreyesterday he listed Dach, 11th pick, Boqvist and Reichel. Quote
dudacek Posted June 21, 2021 Author Report Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) On 6/20/2021 at 10:15 PM, LGR4GM said: Expand Not sure if Chad has heard something, or if he’s spitballing, but I can live with this return. I’m sick of living in goalie purgatory. Gibson is a top-10 starter, not some washed-up cap dump. He will steady a young team and help shield its growth. I’m not worried about his age in the slightest. Good goalies play well into their 30s. Carey Price is 33, Fleury is 36. Gibson is 27. Ryan Miller was 26 when he broke out and played at a high level in 2005/06 and he sustained that high level us for 8 years, plus a couple more in Vancouver. 3rd could give us Eklund, Comtois is exactly what we need stylistically and it sounds like one more lottery ticket will be part of the package. If we have to trade Jack, this is something that makes sense to me. Edited June 21, 2021 by dudacek Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 21, 2021 Report Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/21/2021 at 1:24 AM, dudacek said: Not sure if Chad has heard something, or if he’s spitballing, but I can live with this return. I’m sick of living in goalie purgatory. Gibson is a top-10 starter, not some washed-up cap dump. He will steady a young team and help shield its growth. I’m not worried about his age in the slightest. Good goalies play well into their 30s. Carey Price is 33, Fleury is 36. Gibson is 27. Ryan Miller was 26 when he broke out and played at a high level in 2005/06 and he sustained that high level us for 8 years, plus a couple more in Vancouver. 3rd could give us Eklund, Comtois is exactly what we need stylistically and it sounds like one more lottery ticket will be part of the package. If we have to trade Jack, this is something that makes sense to me. Expand I watched some video of Perreault, and he looks like a better hockey player than I was assuming. I'd be incredibly disappointed to not come away with Zegras or Drysdale, but I wouldn't throw a fit with this return. I tend to believe that Gibson has plenty of good years yet, and maybe even a couple great ones Quote
thewookie1 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/21/2021 at 1:24 AM, dudacek said: Not sure if Chad has heard something, or if he’s spitballing, but I can live with this return. I’m sick of living in goalie purgatory. Gibson is a top-10 starter, not some washed-up cap dump. He will steady a young team and help shield its growth. I’m not worried about his age in the slightest. Good goalies play well into their 30s. Carey Price is 33, Fleury is 36. Gibson is 27. Ryan Miller was 26 when he broke out and played at a high level in 2005/06 and he sustained that high level us for 8 years, plus a couple more in Vancouver. 3rd could give us Eklund, Comtois is exactly what we need stylistically and it sounds like one more lottery ticket will be part of the package. If we have to trade Jack, this is something that makes sense to me. Expand I have serious mixed feelings about Gibson; mostly due to this... GP GAA Sv% 3 1.33 0.954 23 2.60 0.914 40 2.06 0.920 52 2.22 0.924 60 2.43 0.926 58 2.84 0.917 51 3.00 0.904 35 2.98 0.903 His stats have been trending down the last 4 years but I'm unsure if that is due to their team or him just being exposed. 1 Quote
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