Eichel to Meet with Sabres to Discuss Options regarding Neck Injury Next Week

[Zamboni]

2 minutes ago, kas23 said:

Season ticket holders must be living under a rock if they weren’t aware of the Jack drama going on right now. Plus, I think the team Granato was leading would’ve put more butts in the seats that the Eichel lead team during the beginning of the year. 

I’ve been a STH since 2004. Nothing that’s happened over the course of 16 years has deterred me from renewing by tickets. And the Eichel drama won’t either. And I couldn’t care less about the negative snarky “flavor of the day” comments some people like to spew. Some like to blow money on different things. I don’t blow it at bars, or casinos, or boats, or cars, or drugs, or memorabilia, or whatever peoples vices are. I spend it on season tickets. It’s what I enjoy (more or less) 😂

[kas23]

11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

And why was the Eichel lead team worse?

Can’t say for certain. Doubt any of us can. Too many moving parts. One thing is for sure though. The Sabres can be a highly entertaining team without Jack on the ice. Can they win in a sustained way? Not sure of that either. 
 

On the bright side, if we delay this decision to the first month of the season, maybe we demonstrate a winning culture and he has a change of heart and we keep him. 

Edited June 4, 2021 by kas23

[kas23]

3 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

I’ve been a STH since 2004. Nothing that’s happened over the course of 16 years has deterred me from renewing by tickets. And the Eichel drama won’t either. And I couldn’t care less about the negative snarky “flavor of the day” comments some people like to spew. Some like to blow money on different things. I don’t blow it at bars, or casinos, or boats, or cars, or drugs, or memorabilia, or whatever peoples vices are. I spend it on season tickets. It’s what I enjoy (more or less) 😂

Completely agree. If STHs haven’t been scared off by the last 10+ years, Eichel being traded isn’t going to do it. And this is the type of decision I really wouldn’t want made with the STHs in mind. That’s a Terry/Kim move there. This must be a pure hockey decision made by real hockey people with the goal to make our team better. 

[LGR4GM]

21 minutes ago, kas23 said:

Can’t say for certain. Doubt any of us can. Too many moving parts. One thing is for sure though. The Sabres can be a highly entertaining team without Jack on the ice. Can they win in a sustained way? Not sure of that either. 
 

On the bright side, if we delay this decision to the first month of the season, maybe we demonstrate a winning culture and he has a change of heart and we keep him. 

It was Krueger and Eichel playing injured. 

[kas23]

13 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It was Krueger and Eichel playing injured. 

No mention of our marque $8M addition playing like an $800,000 scrub? What about our goalie situation? Or still not having a viable 2C. Minor roles? I don’t think a single player makes a team. Look no further than the “Eakins biggest blunder thread”. Every excuse under the sun is in there why we sucked. 

Edited June 4, 2021 by kas23

[LGR4GM]

4 minutes ago, kas23 said:

No mention of our marque $8M addition playing like an $800,000 scrub? What about our goalie situation? Or still not having a viable 2C. Minor roles? I don’t think a single player makes a team. Look no further than the “Eakins biggest blunder thread”. Every excuse under the sun is in there why we sucked. 

Ralph Krueger. Biggest nightmare and reason for eakin, Hall sucking, and the destruction of Dahlin. 

Eichel's leadership not in the list. 

Just my personal opinion. 

[Taro T]

24 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Ralph Krueger. Biggest nightmare and reason for eakin, Hall sucking, and the destruction of Dahlin. 

Eichel's leadership not in the list. 

Just my personal opinion. 

Hall didn't stink because of Krueger IMHO.  He stunk because Eichel was playing at ~75% and Hall is a passenger (a very talented passenger, but a passenger none the less) and couldn't carry the line on his own.

Krejci can carry Hall & Hall magnifies the effect.  Had Eichel been healthy & Adams found a goalie to help Ullmark, this season wouldn't have seen a 35% decrease in viewership nor a desperate need to trade Hall.  Ymmv.

[MODO Hockey]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

Hall didn't stink because of Krueger IMHO.  He stunk because Eichel was playing at ~75% and Hall is a passenger (a very talented passenger, but a passenger none the less) and couldn't carry the line on his own.

Krejci can carry Hall & Hall magnifies the effect.  Had Eichel been healthy & Adams found a goalie to help Ullmark, this season wouldn't have seen a 35% decrease in viewership nor a desperate need to trade Hall.  Ymmv.

To be frank, i'm not convinced by this theory when it comes to Sabres.

The entire team was utterly very bad under 2 years with Ralph, at first Ralph managed to make the players believe in his total bs way of playing hockey, they got a 10 game win streak and everyone was cheering and trowing caps all over the place. Hell, he literally made almost everyone believe in his bs. (i never did, not for a second, and not saying this now knowing the facts)

That is what it took for all teams to read Ralph like a ***** childs book, 10 games, Ralph had nothing to counter it with because he literally had nothing in his own book, it was this easy playstyle or nothing, it worked in a trash league in the austrich mountains that is worse than ECHL, but it sure as hell didnt work in NHL and we could all see it.

This obviously made an entire sack of elite players to stop believing in his system and coching eventhough they are tought to always go with the coach no matter what. We could all see it on the ice, and in the end it would not have mattered if Jack was 100% healthy and we had another good goalie, we still would have ended up last or close to it. Because of Ralph.

 

[Brawndo]

On the 31 Thoughts Podcast Friedman pretty much confirmed that The Sabres and Eichel will be moving on from one another. 

“There is a clear lack of trust between Eichel and the Sabres right now”

[Flashsabre]

3 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

On the 31 Thoughts Podcast Friedman pretty much confirmed that The Sabres and Eichel will be moving on from one another. 

Might as well do it now before NTC and he only will go to Boston for pennies on the dollar.

[LGR4GM]

14 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

On the 31 Thoughts Podcast Friedman pretty much confirmed that The Sabres and Eichel will be moving on from one another. 

“There is a clear lack of trust between Eichel and the Sabres right now”

It is crazy because I agree with what the Sabres treatment is. Dreger is going to be on Instigators at 11. 

[Flashsabre]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It is crazy because I agree with what the Sabres treatment is. Dreger is going to be on Instigators at 11. 

I think Jack does too. He just wants out. Wouldn’t be surprised at all that once he is moved the neck magically starts to heal with rest and rehab.

[inkman]

28 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

On the 31 Thoughts Podcast Friedman pretty much confirmed that The Sabres and Eichel will be moving on from one another. 

“There is a clear lack of trust between Eichel and the Sabres right now”

[LGR4GM]

14 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

I think Jack does too. He just wants out. Wouldn’t be surprised at all that once he is moved the neck magically starts to heal with rest and rehab.

I would considering Doctor's are looking at his neck it isn't just him saying what he wants. 

[Curt]

26 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I would considering Doctor's are looking at his neck it isn't just him saying what he wants. 

If you talk to enough doctors, you can find one who tells you what you want to hear.

Who is telling him to get the surgery?  Someone he went to for a 3rd, 4th opinion?

[pi2000]

6 minutes ago, Curt said:

If you talk to enough doctors, you can find one who tells you what you want to hear.

Who is telling him to get the surgery?  Someone he went to for a 3rd, 4th opinion?

Sabres doctors - rest/rehab
Eichel's doctor - rest/rehab
Eichels 2nd option - sURgErY LFGGGGG!!!!!

[LGR4GM]

29 minutes ago, Curt said:

If you talk to enough doctors, you can find one who tells you what you want to hear.

Who is telling him to get the surgery?  Someone he went to for a 3rd, 4th opinion?

Huh? I'm saying he's not gonna suddenly be healed once he leaves. He can't fake his disc being reabsorbed

[Gatorman0519]

According to Dredger things have settled down, both sides talking, and a decision coming soon.  Jack frustrated with not being healthy in a long while. 

Edited June 4, 2021 by Gatorman0519

[Curt]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Huh? I'm saying he's not gonna suddenly be healed once he leaves. He can't fake his disc being reabsorbed

True, I was more alluding to the idea that he may quickly back off the stance of wanting surgery after being traded.

[jsb]

I think there's a lot more to Jack's disgruntlement with the Sabres than just surgery or no surgery. The pandemic, his early injuries and then the neck injury just made this year a giant disappointment, add on his relationship with RK then after years of trying to win, KA asks him if he wants to stay or go. He's probably thinking I've been thru the worst here and did everything asked and above to make this work and now you're asking me if I want to stay?? WTF kind of question is that?? Then I didn't hear that he had a problem with the 12 week rehab but even if surgery is needed he wasn't going to get the procedure he and his staff wanted. They change how they perform surgery on specific areas all the time in the medical community, who gives a rats butt if it hasn't been done on a hockey player yet. Not saying he's right or wrong but I can definitely see his side of things also. He's been one of the few bright spots on this team the past few years.

I'm hoping that things improve thru the rehab he just went thru and if they do trade him they get enough back for him that the team in the end gets to move forward and didn't take 3 steps back to take one forward. The guy isn't a brain surgeon, a rocket scientist or a person who's going to change the history of the world for the better, he's a hockey player who wants to play hockey again and would prefer to win rather than lose. He's not the evil person some are making him out to be.

 

Wooohooo, I just noticed I hit 2,000 posts, 

Edited June 4, 2021 by jsb
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[Crusader1969]

 are we past the point where the rest actually worked? 

As fun as it to think about the return for an Eichel trade, the best case scenario is that he is fully healthy and their #1 center next season.

[Marvin]

35 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

 are we past the point where the rest actually worked? 

As fun as it to think about the return for an Eichel trade, the best case scenario is that he is fully healthy and their #1 center next season.

It could be that rest has helped and the Sabres want it to keep going, but Eichel is being a typical 24 year old and wants things faster.  This is not a criticism -- it's just knowing how 24 year olds think.

[SDS]

49 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

 are we past the point where the rest actually worked? 

As fun as it to think about the return for an Eichel trade, the best case scenario is that he is fully healthy and their #1 center next season.

I don’t think you can just prescribe vague remedies here. From the research I have done for my own purposes, the larger the herniation the more likely it will be reabsorbed (counter intuitive) and that reabsorption mainly occurs within six months. After that, I have not read any source that says additional rest changes the physical attributes of the herniation.

[Stoner]

I have this nagging feeling that when the trainer tried to put Jack into a wheelchair for life, he was done, over it, finished, "I can't even."

[Thorner]

4 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

 are we past the point where the rest actually worked? 

As fun as it to think about the return for an Eichel trade, the best case scenario is that he is fully healthy and their #1 center next season.

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