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[LGR4GM]

  On 5/27/2021 at 12:50 PM, Thorny said:

I've been saying this for a while and it's why I don't want to win the lottery 

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You always want to draft first because then you are in control of your destiny.

 

[Thorner]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:02 PM, Hoss said:

I want Power and I think Sabres fans should, too.

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Rather than accepting the idea that the Sabres super unfortunately may end up with 1 overall twice in 4 seasons and the "best" player both those times being a D-man (which, sadly, looks to be true, at least from the rankings) I'm choosing to hope they've misjudged the top of the list, and that it should be a F, and that we end up with that player lol

I get that if Power is the best guy you gotta take him, so my stance isn't really logical, I just have to laugh at the idea we'd pick 1 overall again and come away with a d-man. 

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:09 PM, LGR4GM said:

You always want to draft first because then you are in control of your destiny.

 

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See above. I don't want to draft Power. I think that's who they'll take

[LGR4GM]

I don't think that's who they will take. They have 3 LHD under 22. They will draft a forward or a rhd. 

[Thorner]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:19 PM, LGR4GM said:

I don't think that's who they will take. They have 3 LHD under 22. They will draft a forward or a rhd. 

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I lean towards it being Power because of reasons we've been through on here before about the top ranked guy usually going 1, but in truth after seeing Adams pick Jack Quinn (who, I don't care what anyone says, looked really off-board to me) I could easily see him taking Kent Johnson or something, especially if we are picking 2 or 3. No more of a "reach" rankings wise than Quinn was. 

At the end of the day we have no idea what their list is like and the nary-a-mention-of-Quinn-as-an-option heading into last draft makes me confident in that

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:23 PM, Thorny said:

I lean towards it being Power because of reasons we've been through on here before about the top ranked guy usually going 1, but in truth after seeing Adams pick Jack Quinn (who, I don't care what anyone says, looked really off-board to me) I could easily see him taking Kent Johnson or something, especially if we are picking 2 or 3. No more of a "reach" rankings wise than Quinn was. 

At the end of the day we have no idea what their list is like and the nary-a-mention-of-Quinn-as-an-option heading into last draft makes me confident in that

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This is not accurate, there were hints about it being Quinn going into that draft. I wish I could find the source but after the front office changes Quinn was rumored to be on the Sabres radar at 9. 

[LGR4GM]

Power is not the consensus #1. In the Dahlin year you could look at 10/10 rankings and find Dahlin there. If you did this with Power right now you are probably getting 4-5/10. Does he get ranked #1 more than others, yes but it isn't a consensus. 

[Thorner]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:26 PM, LGR4GM said:

This is not accurate, there were hints about it being Quinn going into that draft. I wish I could find the source but after the front office changes Quinn was rumored to be on the Sabres radar at 9. 

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Ah, could be. I was basing it off the conversation around here. He certainly wasn't someone we were thinking was going to be the pick. He probably wasn't among the top 5 names mentioned in our range

[LGR4GM]

5/11 rankings that Elite Prospects tracks have Power as #1

[Thorner]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:26 PM, LGR4GM said:

This is not accurate, there were hints about it being Quinn going into that draft. I wish I could find the source but after the front office changes Quinn was rumored to be on the Sabres radar at 9. 

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  On 5/27/2021 at 1:29 PM, Thorny said:

Ah, could be. I was basing it off the conversation around here. He certainly wasn't someone we were thinking was going to be the pick. He probably wasn't among the top 5 names mentioned in our range

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If anyone would like to peruse the reactions at the time of the pick....

 

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:29 PM, Thorny said:

Ah, could be. I was basing it off the conversation around here. He certainly wasn't someone we were thinking was going to be the pick. He probably wasn't among the top 5 names mentioned in our range

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Quinn should not have gone before Marco Rossi or Seth Jarvis. He was in the tier below those 2 players. I would toss Lundell in there as well (I am not a perfetti fan but arguments could be made). 

It would be like this year if Buffalo drafted say 3rd overall and instead of taking 1 of the 6 guys we talk about (Beniers, Power, Clarke, Eklund, Guenther, Hughes) they went out and drafted... Chaz Lucius. 

[Thorner]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:32 PM, LGR4GM said:

Quinn should not have gone before Marco Rossi or Seth Jarvis. He was in the tier below those 2 players. I would toss Lundell in there as well (I am not a perfetti fan but arguments could be made). 

It would be like this year if Buffalo drafted say 3rd overall and instead of taking 1 of the 6 guys we talk about (Beniers, Power, Clarke, Eklund, Guenther, Hughes) they went out and drafted... Chaz Lucius. 

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Ya or Kent Johnson lol NCAA commit 

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:32 PM, Thorny said:

 

If anyone would like to peruse the reactions at the time of the pick....

 

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As I said, "they prioritized position and size." 

I think they do the same again which means Eklund is out, Hughes and Power are out. Guenther might be out but they could use the scoring. Really leaves you Beniers or Clarke with Guenther a possible based on position and size. 

[Thorner]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:33 PM, LGR4GM said:

As I said, "they prioritized position and size." 

I think they do the same again which means Eklund is out, Hughes and Power are out. Guenther might be out but they could use the scoring. Really leaves you Beniers or Clarke with Guenther a possible based on position and size. 

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Ya maybe them. 

 

 

 

Or maybe Kent Johnson

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:33 PM, Thorny said:

Ya or Kent Johnson lol NCAA commit 

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Kent Johnson is a dark horse for the best player in this draft and we don't talk about him enough. He's got all the puck skills and skating you want but he played a perimeter game and benefitted from Beniers puck retrieval and transition skills. That said, Johnson comes from the BCHL ranks and we already know this scouting staff has deep ties to USA hockey. I think he would be below Beniers because of stuff like that. I would note that Johnson was physically immature for NCAA hockey loggin in at 165lbs at 6'1". Beniers was also a little undersized at 6'1" 174lbs (the weight is the undersized part, Marco Rossi was 185lbs in his draft year). 

 

[inkman]

  On 5/26/2021 at 10:45 PM, Flashsabre said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j1BNcSBApOU

 

I Demand that if the Sabres draft Power that they play this video to announce the pick.😃

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They should have Cole Beasley rapping with Dahlin, Cozens and Mittlestadt dancing in the background.  Of course they need to preface the video with this: 

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:35 PM, Thorny said:

Ya maybe them. 

 

 

 

Or maybe Kent Johnson

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He's not a USA hockey guy so I don't think they will favor him. Beniers and Hughes are USHL/USDP guys. 

[Thorner]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:39 PM, LGR4GM said:

He's not a USA hockey guy so I don't think they will favor him. Beniers and Hughes are USHL/USDP guys. 

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I was only mentioning him repeatedly cause I thought you didn't wanna draft him and I was messing around haha

I could see them going with a Canadian round 1, they did it last year, it wouldn't surprise. I'm most interested to see if we see a clean-sweep of zero CHL players rounds 2-7 for the 5th year running

[LGR4GM]

Elite Prospects had Rossi #4 and Jack Quinn #16 on their final rankings. 

The issue with Quinn come from the fact he scored 15ppg and xgf models put him around the 35 goal mark not the 52 he had. He had an absurd sh% in the OHL and as we know from years of the Sabres being complete IDIOTS when it comes to sh% (Jeff Skinner) they barely registered such crucial info. 

[dudacek]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:26 PM, LGR4GM said:

This is not accurate, there were hints about it being Quinn going into that draft. I wish I could find the source but after the front office changes Quinn was rumored to be on the Sabres radar at 9. 

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I know either Wheeler or Pronman from the Athletic had Quinn or Rossi to Buffalo in his final preview. For what it’s worth, none of the talking heads during the draft showed any surprise whatsoever.

The Sabres were known to be very high on Sanderson and were also thought to be Rossi fans.

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:33 PM, LGR4GM said:

As I said, "they prioritized position and size." 

I think they do the same again which means Eklund is out, Hughes and Power are out. Guenther might be out but they could use the scoring. Really leaves you Beniers or Clarke with Guenther a possible based on position and size. 

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Prioritizing size and position for Quinn is strictly your own conclusion right?

I can’t recall anything from the Sabres that indicated any of this. They talked about Quinn’s skill and character, but the thing they really emphasized was upside: they loved his development curve and thought the package of attitude and athleticism offered the best chance for continued growth.

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:42 PM, Thorny said:

I was only mentioning him repeatedly cause I thought you didn't wanna draft him and I was messing around haha

I could see them going with a Canadian round 1, they did it last year, it wouldn't surprise. I'm most interested to see if we see a clean-sweep of zero CHL players rounds 2-7 for the 5th year running

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Meh, Kent Johnson should go in the 2nd tier of guys but he's got all the skills to eventually make the first tier. 

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:46 PM, dudacek said:

I know either Wheeler or Pronman from the Athletic had Quinn or Rossi to Buffalo in his final preview. For what it’s worth, none of the talking heads during the draft showed any surprise whatsoever.

The Sabres were known to be very high on Sanderson and were also thought to be Rossi fans.

Prioritizing size and position for Quinn is strictly your own conclusion right?

I can’t recall anything from the Sabres that indicated any of this. They talked about Quinn’s skill and character, but the thing they really emphasized was upside: they loved his development curve and thought the package of attitude and athleticism offered the best chance for continued growth.

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Yes. They passed on a 5'9" C to draft a lesser 6'1" RW. 

[Thorner]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:46 PM, LGR4GM said:

Elite Prospects had Rossi #4 and Jack Quinn #16 on their final rankings. 

The issue with Quinn come from the fact he scored 15ppg and xgf models put him around the 35 goal mark not the 52 he had. He had an absurd sh% in the OHL and as we know from years of the Sabres being complete IDIOTS when it comes to sh% (Jeff Skinner) they barely registered such crucial info. 

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Especially because it was the only season he committed to record that would indicate a top10 pick, ceiling, no? They based a crucial top 10 pick on a sample size of one season. Madness, imo.

There's a chance it looks fantastic if Quinn is really this late bloomer guy but there's every chance this pick just continues to look bad. Major caveat here that I don't think Quinn is going to be a bad player. I think he'll be a good one. I just continue to think it was a bad pick. 

[Thorner]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:38 PM, LGR4GM said:

Kent Johnson is a dark horse for the best player in this draft and we don't talk about him enough. He's got all the puck skills and skating you want but he played a perimeter game and benefitted from Beniers puck retrieval and transition skills. That said, Johnson comes from the BCHL ranks and we already know this scouting staff has deep ties to USA hockey. I think he would be below Beniers because of stuff like that. I would note that Johnson was physically immature for NCAA hockey loggin in at 165lbs at 6'1". Beniers was also a little undersized at 6'1" 174lbs (the weight is the undersized part, Marco Rossi was 185lbs in his draft year). 

 

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Hopefully it's not a case of them going with Quinn after being elevated by Rossi and Johnson after being elevated by Beniers. Kinda similar in that regard on the surface 

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:48 PM, Thorny said:

Especially because it was the only season he committed to record that would indicate a top10 pick, ceiling, no? They based a crucial top 10 pick on a sample size of one season. Madness, imo.

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Marco Rossi projected out at a level akin to Jack Eichel. Draft Eligible Players don't score that many points in the OHL often. Byfield was the next closest comparable followed by Svechnikov. That's crazy good production and we passed on it. I like Quinn, and in a lot of years he would be the perfect #8 pick but not in 2020. If Quinn were in this draft he would be a top 5 guy but again not in 2020. The Sabres as an organization seem to channel Kim Pegula's mantra of "we know a little more than the fans" and this results in them thinking they are clever when they just come off as dumb. Now Quinn could absolutely have a better career and Rossi getting covid gave that feeble theory some life but the numbers tell us that is not the most likely outcome. 

[inkman]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:48 PM, Thorny said:

Especially because it was the only season he committed to record that would indicate a top10 pick, ceiling, no? They based a crucial top 10 pick on a sample size of one season. Madness, imo.

There's a chance it looks fantastic if Quinn is really this late bloomer guy but there's every chance this pick just continues to look bad. Major caveat here that I don't think Quinn is going to be a bad player. I think he'll be a good one. I just continue to think it was a bad pick. 

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Huh.  I haven’t heard anyone say this before. 

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/27/2021 at 1:53 PM, Thorny said:

Hopefully it's not a case of them going with Quinn after being elevated by Rossi and Johnson after being elevated by Beniers. Kinda similar in that regard on the surface 

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Quinn was not really elevated by Rossi other than the PP. 

Johnson was absolutely elevated by Beniers. Beniers zone entry rates are really really good, he's a transition master.