French Collection Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Wonder what Montreal does at #1. Takes the pressure off if they were leaning away from Wright. Bob McKenzie said that Slafkovsky got 5 first place votes vs 4 for Wright. Wright was third on 2 lists. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, dudacek said: Looks like Chesley, Bichsel and even McGroarty could slip into our range for 28. And Mesar, Rinzel, Luneau, Beck and Firkus are all there. This is the only reason I’m hesitant to move 28 for Kane Quote
French Collection Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 I find the ranges interesting. It is definitely not a consensus year. Nemec was as low as 2 but as high as 7 Gauthier was 3-10 Jiricek 5-12 Kemell 4-14 Lekkerimaki 4-17 Savoie 6-15 Kasper 5-21 Korchinski, Mintyukov and Geekie got top 10 consideration from scouts. 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 33 minutes ago, Brawndo said: The full list Interesting. I think we can safely say that Yurov, Trikozov and Miroshnichenko are all going to slide. Trikozov in particular is probably safe to bet on being available at 41 if we wanted him. Mateychuk, Bichsel, and Chesley all next to eachother in the rankings is... something special. Lambert at 16 makes me feel meh. I really hope the Islanders take him with the family connection and the Raty (fellow countryman) connection. Apparently NHL scouts really love Korchinski's favorite move of cutting back. Talking about him having the most assists in the WHL sounds nice until you actually look at those assists and understand how many 2nd assists and ppa are in there. 19 even strength 2nd assists, 14pp 2nd assists, and 27 total pp assists. Frank Nazar at 15 is the Alex Newhook of 2022. 1 Quote
dudacek Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, French Collection said: I find the ranges interesting. It is definitely not a consensus year.. Adams made a great observation on WGR about how the Sabres at 9, 16, 28 and 41 have a toe in just about every tier of the draft. He said this allows them a ton of flexibility in terms of moving up or down. The conversations have already been had to set up the parameters for multiple potential moves, depending on how the draft unfolds. He also said his team regards this draft as deep, in that he thinks it stretches far enough that they will get good players with all 4 of their early picks. Edited June 28, 2022 by dudacek 1 1 Quote
Taro T Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 37 minutes ago, French Collection said: I find the ranges interesting. It is definitely not a consensus year. Nemec was as low as 2 but as high as 7 Gauthier was 3-10 Jiricek 5-12 Kemell 4-14 Lekkerimaki 4-17 Savoie 6-15 Kasper 5-21 Korchinski, Mintyukov and Geekie got top 10 consideration from scouts. 5-12 you say. Hmm ... Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Taro T said: 5-12 you say. Hmm ... I have Kasper going to Detroit in my mock draft. Fits a need and Stevie Y likes his Euros. 1 Quote
Curt Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 I know it won’t, but if the draft were to fall just as McKenzie’s list does, I would like the Sabres to do the following: 9) Kasper, Savoie, or Nazar 16) Miroshnichenko or Ohgren 28) Mesar, Beck, or Luneau 41) Goyette, Trikozov, Lutz, Lorenz, Warren, or Lamoreux 1 Quote
Crusader1969 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 If the draft actually fell exactly like the TSN list. Sabres would take Savoie, Lambert, Gauthier and Warren. That would be a pretty good haul. Though I wouldn't be a huge fan of the Guathier pick, he does bring size and could be a pretty good 4th line Center down the road. 1 Quote
Curt Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: If the draft actually fell exactly like the TSN list. Sabres would take Savoie, Lambert, Gauthier and Warren. That would be a pretty good haul. Though I wouldn't be a huge fan of the Guathier pick, he does bring size and could be a pretty good 4th line Center down the road. Gaucher, Nathan. Gauthier, Cutter, is another guy. 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Curt said: I know it won’t, but if the draft were to fall just as McKenzie’s list does, I would like the Sabres to do the following: 9) Kasper, Savoie, or Nazar 16) Miroshnichenko or Ohgren 28) Mesar, Beck, or Luneau 41) Goyette, Trikozov, Lutz, Lorenz, Warren, or Lamoreux No but also No in bold Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 Brad Lambert... what a polarizing prospect but read up and watch up. and if you care what is my take on Lambert? I think Brad Lambert has every tool I could want in a player. His hands are sublime, his skating is electric. He can layer deceptive rushes with deceptive hands and shoulder fakes. His ability to cut and dangle is the best in this draft probably. I don't see attitude problems on the ice, he is always trying but I think the Liiga is not a great place to develop and now that I have seen Raty and Lambert face similar things I don't know how to feel about that league. Lambert at 16 is possible, as I said I would feel somewhat meh about it because it is very high risk and HIGH reward. I would get him to NA and into the CHL ASAP if the Sabres draft him because he has a lot to work on mentally. His solo skills are great but he played with such bad linemates that he justifiably believes he has to do it himself. His stagnation in Liiga ia a red flag so you have to be very sure as a team you can get him to NA and that he will be willing to put in the work needed to take his game to the next level. He sits at 20 on my personal board but his skill is easily top 5. With 3 first round picks, one of them should be a swing for the fences type and Lambert at 16 could be it. He reminds me of Nazar if Nazar had bad linemates and couldn't pass (he can). If you want to play a Colorado style of relentless checking and attack, Lambert is one of the top players at doing that. High risk here. He lacks production and has for over 2 seasons but if you think you can teach him how to use teammates and get him decent teammates, look out. 3 1 Quote
steveoath Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) I liked Geekie's interview on NHL draft class. Dispelled a bit of uncertainty about him. Said he likes Baseball, but loves hockey. Knows his skating needed to improe and has taken steps to do so. Also said that he hopes he has finished growing so he can fill out and also improve skating even more. Feels like he had to work on increasing skill to beat guys due to lack of skating early on. He's making all the sounds of a late bloomer that I think Adams likes. Edited June 28, 2022 by steveoath 1 Quote
Crusader1969 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Curt said: Gaucher, Nathan. Gauthier, Cutter, is another guy. Oops, wrong name right in that he could be a good 4th line Center Quote
Crusader1969 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) Looking back to how close Bob was in getting the top 8 right year by year 2015 he got 7/8. He had Crouse a little too high. He had Werenski at 11, who went in the top 8 his guy at 9 was Barzel, interestingly enough 2016 - he hit on all 8 guys taken prior to the 9th pick 2017 - 7 of 8 Vilardi he had at 5 and actually went 11th the Rangers took Andersson who Bob had at 15 2018 only 6 of the 8 Hayton and Boqvist were taken in the actual draft in the top 8. Bob had Dobson and Bouchard in his top 8 but went Iater 2019 6 of 8 He had Podkolzin and Zegras on top 8 While it was Seider and Broberg who moved up 2020 he got all the top 10 guys right Though he had Rossi and Perfetti gone prior to 9th with Holtz and Quinn in the 9/10 spots 2021 another accurate rankings as he got the top 9 guys taken correct Though he had Guenther at 6 and he was taken 9th Bob had Johnson at 9. so the last 2 draft rankings have been extremely accurate by Bob. We will see if he continues the trend I’d say the only guy he really missed on in the last 7 is Seider Edited June 28, 2022 by Crusader1969 1 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted June 29, 2022 Author Report Posted June 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Crusader1969 said: If the draft actually fell exactly like the TSN list. Sabres would take Savoie, Lambert, Gauthier and Warren. That would be a pretty good haul. Though I wouldn't be a huge fan of the Guathier pick, he does bring size and could be a pretty good 4th line Center down the road. You think he's a 4th line center ? Quote
Buffalonill Posted June 29, 2022 Author Report Posted June 29, 2022 3 hours ago, steveoath said: I liked Geekie's interview on NHL draft class. Dispelled a bit of uncertainty about him. Said he likes Baseball, but loves hockey. Knows his skating needed to improe and has taken steps to do so. Also said that he hopes he has finished growing so he can fill out and also improve skating even more. Feels like he had to work on increasing skill to beat guys due to lack of skating early on. He's making all the sounds of a late bloomer that I think Adams likes. He's my mega bust of the draft hopefully he has a successful career but im hoping buffalo does not draft him Quote
Flashsabre Posted June 29, 2022 Report Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said: Looking back to how close Bob was in getting the top 8 right year by year 2015 he got 7/8. He had Crouse a little too high. He had Werenski at 11, who went in the top 8 his guy at 9 was Barzel, interestingly enough 2016 - he hit on all 8 guys taken prior to the 9th pick 2017 - 7 of 8 Vilardi he had at 5 and actually went 11th the Rangers took Andersson who Bob had at 15 2018 only 6 of the 8 Hayton and Boqvist were taken in the actual draft in the top 8. Bob had Dobson and Bouchard in his top 8 but went Iater 2019 6 of 8 He had Podkolzin and Zegras on top 8 While it was Seider and Broberg who moved up 2020 he got all the top 10 guys right Though he had Rossi and Perfetti gone prior to 9th with Holtz and Quinn in the 9/10 spots 2021 another accurate rankings as he got the top 9 guys taken correct Though he had Guenther at 6 and he was taken 9th Bob had Johnson at 9. so the last 2 draft rankings have been extremely accurate by Bob. We will see if he continues the trend I’d say the only guy he really missed on in the last 7 is Seider Bob doesn’t scout or rank players himself. He talks to NHL scouts and his list is an aggregate of the scouts rankings. His list is the best because it shows what the actual NHL scouts and front offices are thinking and is always the best indicator of how the draft will go. There will always be outliers though. Edited June 29, 2022 by Flashsabre 2 Quote
Digger Posted June 29, 2022 Report Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/27/2022 at 12:29 PM, French Collection said: With the amount of picks, the lack of signed goalie prospects and with the uncertainty in net, they need to draft a goalie. This should happen every draft so that they get an NHL caliber one every few years. I'll take Hugo Hävelid with a 3rd or 4th if available. I agree that we need to add another GT in this draft. Quote
LabattBlue Posted June 29, 2022 Report Posted June 29, 2022 Does the Baron have any relatives who are draft eligible this year? 😊 Quote
Crusader1969 Posted June 29, 2022 Report Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Flashsabre said: Bob doesn’t scout or rank players himself. He talks to NHL scouts and his list is an aggregate of the scouts rankings. His list is the best because it shows what the actual NHL scouts and front offices are thinking and is always the best indicator of how the draft will go. There will always be outliers though. Sorry meant his list , not himself. thanks, I should have clarified that 1 hour ago, Buffalonill said: You think he's a 4th line center ? Meant to Gaucher who Bob had at 28 My mistake Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 29, 2022 Report Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) Updated Consensus Board - 15 rankings only one not a final is FC hockey from April Top 5 - Wright, Cooley, Slafkovsky, Nemec, Jiricek 6 & 7 - Savoie, Kemell 8- 12 - Gauthier, Lekkerimaki, Nazar, Yurov, Korchinski 13 - 15 - Lambert, Mintyukov, Mateychuk 16 - 18 - Kasper, Geekie, McGroarty - Personal Note: Kasper will go before 16th and I'd take all the players 19-23 below before Geekie and McGroarty 19 - 23 - Ohgren, Howard, Kulich, Miroshniichenko, Ostlund 24 - 27 - Firkus, Snuggerud, Mesar, Pickering - Snuggerud seems to be a player moving up the rankings. 28- 32 - Chesley, Bichsel, Luneau, Gaucher, Odelius - Chesley, Gaucher and Luneau would all be great picks at 28 IMHO Second Round 33 - 37 - Beck, Del Bel Belluz, Hutson, Casey, Goyette 38 - 40 - Trikozov, Havelid and Hughes 41 - 46 - Perevalov, Nelson, Rinzel, Bystedt, Zhilkin, Salomonsson 47 - 49 - Lorenz, Nyman, Sapovaliv 50 -54 - Forsmark, Lamoureux, Lutz, Ingram, Hamara 55 - 62 - Schaefer, Lund, Warren, Sykora, McConnell-Baker, Lindgren, Poitras, Ludwinski - I expect Schaefer, Lund and Warren to all go higher than 55. 63 - 65 -James, Grudinin, Minten Edited June 29, 2022 by GASabresIUFAN 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 29, 2022 Report Posted June 29, 2022 Reports that Miroshnichenko plans to be in Montreal for the draft. 2 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 29, 2022 Report Posted June 29, 2022 Shane Wright: I will say it again for the folks in back, the OHL guys are going to get under-drafted and it will be a massive mistake. Quote
Curt Posted June 29, 2022 Report Posted June 29, 2022 40 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Reports that Miroshnichenko plans to be in Montreal for the draft. That’s good. Appears that he wants to show everyone (1) hey look, I’m healthy! and (2) hey look, I really want to be in NA! Not surprising given previous reports that he tried to come over for his draft season but a visa snafu held him up. I would feel really good about drafting him at #16. Quote
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