Jack Eichel Presser on Monday 5-10-21

[Doohicksie]

50 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

For how much I would like to have Tkachuk on the Sabres, no way I can trade Eichel straight up for him.

And even if the Sabres did this, they'd end up retaining 50% of Eich's salary.

[jad1]

2 minutes ago, I-90 W said:

Personally I think we need to stop the toxic bleeding now. This is officially a very distracting locker room problem. We don’t move him before the season starts and it will be near impossible to move forward in a healthy way with our new/ younger players IMO.

Right because employing a GM who engaged in an injury dispute with his franchise player isn't toxic.

Getting rid of Eichel isn't the way to clear the stench of incompetence that has covered this franchise for more than a decade.

[Drag0nDan]

18 minutes ago, Beer said:

You won't get a big piece in return from a team making a run.  It will be prospects and draft capital.  Fine if we're in for the long rebuild... which we're already in so who the heck cares

It's usually a player, a young player/prospect (not a top one) and picks. Eichel being who he is might get u a higher tier prospect

Like Dumba, Boldy, and picks. 

Edited May 10, 2021 by Drag0nDan

[Doohicksie]

49 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

Maybe these guys are the "taint" of an unsavory decision (the tank itself) and the Hockey Gods are demanding their departure before She will allow success at an organizational level. 

Pegula's Original Sin.

[I-90 W]

Just now, jad1 said:

Right because employing a GM who engaged in an injury dispute with his franchise player isn't toxic.

Getting rid of Eichel isn't the way to clear the stench of incompetence that has covered this franchise for more than a decade.

They have no choice but to move Eichel. What are you suggesting, fire KA and keep Jack? Things are way past that now, it is what it is. 

[Kristian]

1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

We'd be better of with absentee owners.  I think the opposite is true and that's the problem.

I’d take absentee owners, at this point.

We have “managing & meddling” owners, who are absurdly ignorant when it comes to hockey decisions.

[Doohicksie]

38 minutes ago, Kong said:

It just occurred to me...Eichel might be completely ruined because of his neck. 

The thought occurred to me as well.  It'd be hilarious if we traded him for a substantial but underwhelming haul and he never played again.

[kas23]

4 hours ago, Thorny said:

If they are telling him what he can and can't do with his own body, I'm on Jack's side. 

There’s probably much more to this story than what Dr. Eichel lets on. For example, what if the team doctor says that surgery may potentially worsen his condition and favor conservative management. What if second opinion says the same thing? And what if a third opinion says do surgery and Eichel thinks that’s going to solve all his problems (and maybe get him off the team)? You go to enough surgeons and eventually you’ll find someone who will take you to the OR. 

And besides, there is actually nothing stopping Eichel from going to get surgery. He’s a free man. What would the Sabres do about it? Ground him for a week?

Edited May 10, 2021 by kas23

[DarthEbriate]

4 minutes ago, I-90 W said:

Personally I think we need to stop the toxic bleeding now. This is officially a very distracting locker room problem. We don’t move him before the season starts and it will be near impossible to move forward in a healthy way with our new/ younger players IMO.

Yup. This is a star hasn't said it explicitly publicly, but he's almost guaranteed to have disclosed that he wants out to the leadership. Now, it's on them to do something about it. The major problem is --- this applies to all of our "stars". Risto, Reino, Eichel, Ullmark -- why would any of them want to stick around long-term here? I know I wouldn't, particularly if my injuries are being mistreated in any capacity. I want to go to a legitimate organization.

[Hoss]

13 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

If I'm Vancouver I laugh at that offer. Horvat and Boeser are that team's heart and soul along with Pettersson (who is due a nice pay bump). And I'm not paying that much for Pettersson, Eichel, and JT Miller to play center and have one of them get limited minutes.

But...  if you're willing to take 1 year of Loui Eriksson and 1 year of Jay Beagle... or 3 more years of Tyler Myers at $6M per... then maybe we can talk about Horvat or Boeser.

LOL at the idea of taking on salary to talk about Horvat “OR” Boeser in a deal involving Jack Eichel. There have already been rumors about Vancouver listening to offers on Boeser.

[DarthEbriate]

1 minute ago, Doohickie said:

The thought occurred to me as well.  It'd be hilarious if we traded him for a substantial but underwhelming haul and he never played again.

No. I want Eichel to play again.

I'm still saddened by the losses of Sterling Sharpe, Nick Collins, Jermichael Finley, and even Terrence Murphy and not getting to see them make magic.

[I-90 W]

1 minute ago, kas23 said:

There’s probably much more to this story than what Dr. Eichel lets on. For example, what if the team doctor says that surgery may potentially worsen his condition and favor conservative management. What if second opinion says the same thing? And what if a third opinion says do surgery and Eichel thinks that’s going to solve all his problems (and maybe get him off the team)? You go to enough surgeons and eventually you’ll find someone who will take you to the OR. 

Exactly. Jack has brilliantly changed the discussion to him being the oppressed and the Buffalo Sabres being the oppressors. Though he might be right, I ain’t taking it as Gospel. All I know is that the team has a doctor and so does he, and the two doctors disagree.

[Broken Ankles]

Just now, Kristian said:

I’d take absentee owners, at this point.

We have “managing & meddling” owners, who are absurdly ignorant when it comes to hockey decisions.

“And we would have gotten a playoff berth, if it wasn’t for you meddling owners”

[Scottysabres]

25 minutes ago, Hoss said:

Eichel and Risto to Vancouver for Bo Horvat, Brock Boeser, Olli Joulevi and a first

Called on that awhile back. Good, fair trade.

[kas23]

2 minutes ago, I-90 W said:

Exactly. Jack has brilliantly changed the discussion to him being the oppressed and the Buffalo Sabres being the oppressors. Though he might be right, I ain’t taking it as Gospel. All I know is that the team has a doctor and so does he, and the two doctors disagree.

No ones stopping him from going to get surgery. The Sabres have no leverage to do anything about it. But, for some reason, he’s not. He’s complaining about it instead. 

[TgeekB]

7 minutes ago, kas23 said:

There’s probably much more to this story than what Dr. Eichel lets on. For example, what if the team doctor says that surgery may potentially worsen his condition and favor conservative management. What if second opinion says the same thing? And what if a third opinion says do surgery and Eichel thinks that’s going to solve all his problems (and maybe get him off the team)? You go to enough surgeons and eventually you’ll find someone who will take you to the OR. 

Fact.
We’re only getting one side and may never know the clinical details. Surgery is not always the answer and can even make matters worse. 

[Kong]

6 minutes ago, kas23 said:

There’s probably much more to this story than what Dr. Eichel lets on. For example, what if the team doctor says that surgery may potentially worsen his condition and favor conservative management. What if second opinion says the same thing? And what if a third opinion says do surgery and Eichel thinks that’s going to solve all his problems (and maybe get him off the team)? You go to enough surgeons and eventually you’ll find someone who will take you to the OR. 

I don't take Eichel's word for gospel either. He's such a spoiled, arrogant kid, I think he actually believes that how he frames the situation is the whole truth. It's an opinion and hockey's such a rough sport, a botched operation might endanger him for life. The Pegulas, as stupid as they are, are only trying to protect their assets.

[I-90 W]

3 minutes ago, kas23 said:

No ones stopping him from going to get surgery. The Sabres have no leverage to do anything about it. But, for some reason, he’s not. He’s complaining about it instead. 

According to the new CBA they have to go by the team physicians decision. Sabres have the right to block it. Jack just has the right to get an independent opinion and the team doc has to take that into consideration. Shocked the PA allowed that in.

[fiftyone]

1 minute ago, Kong said:

I don't take Eichel's word for gospel either. He's such a spoiled, arrogant kid, I think he actually believes that how he frames the situation is the whole truth. It's an opinion and hockey's such a rough sport, a botched operation might endanger him for life. The Pegulas, as stupid as they are, are only trying to protect their assets.

Or squeeze everything out of their assets while they have (him) and have no regard for what's left of him when the contract is up.

Who knows what the truth is, but if your scenario is a possibility then this one certainly is too..

[Billznut]

12 minutes ago, kas23 said:

No ones stopping him from going to get surgery. The Sabres have no leverage to do anything about it. But, for some reason, he’s not. He’s complaining about it instead. 

Check out the CBA and try again. 

[Eleven]

46 minutes ago, Radar said:

Curious. What odds would you put on the Pegulas being the team owners five years from now?

Absent something catastrophic, I wouldn't lay odds against it.

[kas23]

7 minutes ago, I-90 W said:

According to the new CBA they have to go by the team physicians decision. Sabres have the right to block it. Jack just has the right to get an independent opinion and the team doc has to take that into consideration. Shocked the PA allowed that in.

There’s nothing stopping him from getting his surgery. He’ll be breaking no laws. Sure, he’ll be in breach of his contract, but so what? If this were to happen, the Sabres could try to void the rest of his contract, like they did for Berglund, but I doubt they would. If they did, Jack would then be a free agent and could go to whatever team he chooses. 

3 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Check out the CBA and try again. 

I’m well aware of what the CBA say. So, I ask you. What would the repercussions be?

[Doohicksie]

1 minute ago, kas23 said:

There’s nothing stopping him from getting his surgery. He’ll be breaking no laws. Sure, he’ll be in breach of his contract, but so what? If this were to happen, the Sabres could try to void the rest of his contract, like they did for Berglund, but I doubt they would. If they did, Jack would then be a free agent and could go to whatever team he chooses. 

Or they could take him to court and request damages, the result being he's still under contract, but for a LOT less.  I'm no lawyer, but it's a plausible scenario.

[I-90 W]

You know what would be pretty lousy? If Jack was milking his injury and just wanted to avoid the rest of this dumpster fire of a season, the team physician rightfully said no, and then Jack shopped for a physician to agree with him. THEN publicly used it as a talking point to demand a trade. I ain’t saying this is what’s happening, but man that would be lousy. 

Edited May 10, 2021 by I-90 W

[pi2000]

What if Eichel is getting bad info from his doctor and the Sabres doctors are correct in their assessment that surgery is an unnecessary risk?   

After all, the vast majority of these types of issues can be corrected non-surgically.      In my experience many specialists are eager to cut you open as they're confident in their abilities and that's how they get paid.    

It would be interesting to read the medical reports from both sides.