Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation

[kas23]

1 hour ago, TheCerebral1 said:

Getting Boldy and Rossi, Dumba as cap dump ( but a experienced RHD) insert "Calen Addison", plus a first, I’m not hanging up if I’m Adams.  Dumba would be an adequate asset to take on, but I'd prefer Addison at this stage. 

I’m all for adding this guy:

 

 

[thewookie1]

How much would Dumba be worth if we dealt him?

[Doohicksie]

2 hours ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

Does someone have a history of the Land of Fa somewhere?  I can find little clips on YouTube, but it has a history everyone should know on a Buffalo sports board.

Oh, we've all heard it.  I was leading into "Fa King"

2 hours ago, Weave said:

It seems to me you are ignoring or downplaying actual spoken words and creating another version of events that match your expectations.  

Or speculating that the spoken words are not revealing the real situation, which is likely in this case.

[nfreeman]

4 hours ago, Weave said:

It seems to me you are ignoring or downplaying actual spoken words and creating another version of events that match your expectations.  

But there are a lot of spoken words supporting the theory that the injury is the main issue — at least as many as support your interpretation.  

[thewookie1]

How I see it is that Adams has likely been contemplating about Eichel's future with the Sabres since arriving. He likely feels he isn't a good captain/locker room presence but a great player and has been on the fence all year. The injury saga may have been a tipping point to Adams as his superstar is gung ho over getting a risky surgery done rather than at very least going through the proper more conservative approach of physical therapy. Did Eichel wait the 12 weeks, it seems so, but how hard did he try to make it work and did Adams have to literally pull teeth to get him to not jump into surgery? While I understand Eichel's frustration, airing all the dirty laundry wasn't what a captain should ever do. He could of easily made his point without coming off as a jackass; especially seeing as he should of known Adams would strike back. As much as I'd like to side with Eichel since it's his body; I have to side with the Sabres in this case since it feels like Eichel is overzealous about having a risky operation to which both the team's doctor and his first secondary opinion both advised against. It's like being told by 4 doctors you should diet but demanding liposuction. 

 

Simultaneously I have three scenarios as to what generally going on:

1.  Eichel isn't recovering quickly but the Sabres are still very hesitant to let their star have this surgery.  As long as Eichel's medical records are private we can play Schrodinger's cat with his health; there's risk involved in the trade but we are playing our cards close to the vest to avoid a team dropping out due to the medical report.

2. Eichel is recovering and the Sabres want to still try and smooth things over and want a coach in here before doing anything drastic.

3. Eichel's injury is career changing potentially and the Sabres are debating what to do in general.

4. Eichel died in a freak carpet slipping accident and Adams + Karmanos are going all "Weekend at Bernie's" with him.

[Weave]

7 hours ago, nfreeman said:

But there are a lot of spoken words supporting the theory that the injury is the main issue — at least as many as support your interpretation.  

Nowhere is there a report or quote indicating that KA is concerned enough about Jacks injury that he is looking to move him.  You are projecting that part.

[inkman]

14 hours ago, Weave said:

I don’t know how you can think the injury is the primary driver after hearing Jacks words and KAs repeated references to having players that want to be here.

They discussed this on WGR yesterday.  Bulldog was emphatic that this is the case. The injury is just a vehicle to get Jack outta here, for both sides apparently. 

[JohnC]

8 hours ago, nfreeman said:

But there are a lot of spoken words supporting the theory that the injury is the main issue — at least as many as support your interpretation.  

What are the sources of the many spoken words that support your theory? Are they coming from the ether of the internet? I haven't heard any coming from any credible sources. What I have repeatedly heard and explicitly stated by the GM is that he doesn't want players who don't want to be here. Take a guess who he is primarily referring to. 

No one denies that the injury issue is a factor in his trade value. But it is not by far the most influential factor in the GM wanting to move him. If even with his injury status Jack made it publicly and privately known that he was 100% committed to leading this team and turning around this sinking ship would the GM be so determined to move him? Of course not. 

Your opinion is your opinion; and my opinion is my opinion. But your flimsy theory is based on vague comments that can't be traced. At least my view and @Weavecome from a source who is substantive and credible i.e. the GM. 

[Buffalonill]

11 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

How much would Dumba be worth if we dealt him?

I think that dude is just like Ristolainen do not like.

Edited June 26, 2021 by Buffalonill

[Scottysabres]

8 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

How I see it is that Adams has likely been contemplating about Eichel's future with the Sabres since arriving. He likely feels he isn't a good captain/locker room presence but a great player and has been on the fence all year. The injury saga may have been a tipping point to Adams as his superstar is gung ho over getting a risky surgery done rather than at very least going through the proper more conservative approach of physical therapy. Did Eichel wait the 12 weeks, it seems so, but how hard did he try to make it work and did Adams have to literally pull teeth to get him to not jump into surgery? While I understand Eichel's frustration, airing all the dirty laundry wasn't what a captain should ever do. He could of easily made his point without coming off as a jackass; especially seeing as he should of known Adams would strike back. As much as I'd like to side with Eichel since it's his body; I have to side with the Sabres in this case since it feels like Eichel is overzealous about having a risky operation to which both the team's doctor and his first secondary opinion both advised against. It's like being told by 4 doctors you should diet but demanding liposuction. 

 

Simultaneously I have three scenarios as to what generally going on:

1.  Eichel isn't recovering quickly but the Sabres are still very hesitant to let their star have this surgery.  As long as Eichel's medical records are private we can play Schrodinger's cat with his health; there's risk involved in the trade but we are playing our cards close to the vest to avoid a team dropping out due to the medical report.

2. Eichel is recovering and the Sabres want to still try and smooth things over and want a coach in here before doing anything drastic.

3. Eichel's injury is career changing potentially and the Sabres are debating what to do in general.

4. Eichel died in a freak carpet slipping accident and Adams + Karmanos are going all "Weekend at Bernie's" with him.

After much pondering, I am going with #4.

[Huckleberry]

13 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

How much would Dumba be worth if we dealt him?

Don't know, but a late 1st round pick at least I would say.

[Believer]

The reason Eichel comes off like a jackass is because he is a jackass… Prima donna with great skills… and a self-absorbed personality… Not a team player, how he got and kept the “C” is a joke… If he can’t be traded, cut him… Eichel is a cancer… Give Granato and his young team who play to win, play for each other, and play for the fans a chance to grow together… and restore the hockey legacy in Buffalo…

[Randall Flagg]

Not really interested in sticking around to read that take over and over ngl

[PromoTheRobot]

42 minutes ago, Believer said:

The reason Eichel comes off like a jackass is because he is a jackass… Prima donna with great skills… and a self-absorbed personality… Not a team player, how he got and kept the “C” is a joke… If he can’t be traded, cut him… Eichel is a cancer… Give Granato and his young team who play to win, play for each other, and play for the fans a chance to grow together… and restore the hockey legacy in Buffalo…

Let's not get crazy here.

[sabremike]

47 minutes ago, Believer said:

The reason Eichel comes off like a jackass is because he is a jackass… Prima donna with great skills… and a self-absorbed personality… Not a team player, how he got and kept the “C” is a joke… If he can’t be traded, cut him… Eichel is a cancer… Give Granato and his young team who play to win, play for each other, and play for the fans a chance to grow together… and restore the hockey legacy in Buffalo…

"Sir this is a Mighty Taco."

[Cascade Youth]

4 hours ago, inkman said:

They discussed this on WGR yesterday.  Bulldog was emphatic that this is the case. The injury is just a vehicle to get Jack outta here, for both sides apparently. 

Yeah and the vehicle for Adams to cover himself when the return is far less than hoped - “We tried but it was tough to generate a market for an injured player.”

[Brawndo]

Imagine the return had Jack been traded last fall, coming off a 36 goal and 78 point season in 68 Games. 
 

Non Injured, 8th Place in Hart Voting on a non playoff team. 
 

That would have been quite a return as some surmised. 

[kas23]

5 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Imagine the return had Jack been traded last fall, coming off a 36 goal and 78 point season in 68 Games. 
 

Non Injured, 8th Place in Hart Voting on a non playoff team. 
 

That would have been quite a return as some surmised. 

My guess is that fans would’ve been rioting in the streets. Now? Not so much. He’s gone and most of us have accepted why this needs to happen. 

[Marvin]

Just wondering:

Considering that teams were asking about Eichel before the season, shouldn't GMKA already have had a feel for what the minimum people would offer for Eichel from a rookie GM they were trying to fleece?  And if someone made a genuine offer, then he would have a standard against which to measure offers now, right?

The reason I ask is that I don't think that GMKA asking for a half dozen pieces with a lot of high-end prospects came out of nowhere.  Someone probably offered a roster player, a couple of decent but long-range prospects, a cap dump, and a couple of picks last off-season.  Probably one or two teams offered a top prospect as well.  I imagine a team offered two very good, but not top, prospects.  He probably stitched all that together, threw out the chaff, turned the quality up to 11, and made that his starting point.

[JohnC]

17 hours ago, kas23 said:

I’m all for adding this guy:

 

 

He looks like a porno star. ☠️

[Thorner]

21 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Michael Russo, who has the inside pulse of the Wild had these thoughts on Eichel as a Minnesota Trade Target 

 

Jack Eichel

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It’s believed Buffalo is looking for all futures right now.

 

Does this worry anyone else? "All" futures? It doesn't seem like KA much believes in the idea of surrounding your youth with capable veteran leadership. Never mind the idea of competing for the playoffs next season..

45 minutes ago, kas23 said:

My guess is that fans would’ve been rioting in the streets. Now? Not so much. He’s gone and most of us have accepted why this needs is going to happen. 

FTFY

Edited June 26, 2021 by Thorny

[inkman]

19 minutes ago, JohnC said:

He looks like a porno star. ☠️

He looks 14 to me. 

[JohnC]

Just now, inkman said:

He looks 14 to me. 

He looks like a young porno star. You may not be aware of it but that is a porno mustache. That is the same type of freaky mustache that Austin Mathews has. 

[inkman]

3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

He looks like a young porno star. You may not be aware of it but that is a porno mustache. That is the same type of freaky mustache that Austin Mathews has. 

I was watching Ron Jeremy when you were in diapers.  
 

I’m just saying that dude looks like a teenager.  He may be.  Someone in his life needs to tell him the stash ain’t it.  I think the age requirement for going stash only is 50+.  

[Weave]

2 minutes ago, inkman said:

I was watching Ron Jeremy when you were in diapers.  
 

This sounds even creepier than normal for Inky.