Dr. Who Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 Another poster, don't know if this is speculation, says Calgary deal would be Tkachuk, Zary, and a 1st to start. Flames pick 12th.
Hoss Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 I’m going to assume that’s all nonsense (some of it is obvious guessing) but Calgary makes a ton of sense for Jack. They need a shakeup. 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Another poster, don't know if this is speculation, says Calgary deal would be Tkachuk, Zary, and a 1st to start. Flames pick 12th. Big meh on this. I’d need another good piece.
Dr. Who Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hoss said: I’m going to assume that’s all nonsense (some of it is obvious guessing) but Calgary makes a ton of sense for Jack. They need a shakeup. Big meh on this. I’d need another good piece. Yeah, I assume the "to start" means that's a low opening bid.
Buffalonill Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Another poster, don't know if this is speculation, says Calgary deal would be Tkachuk, Zary, and a 1st to start. Flames pick 12th. That is horrible I'll be pissed
dudacek Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 I’ve seen Tkachuk, Zary and 12OA in numerous places. It is the best offer I have seen that the other team’s fan base seems willing to do. And I am not convinced we will get a better offer. Zary is a good, Peterka-level prospect. 12th is a high pick where we should get another prospect his equal or better. And Tkachuk is a 23-year-old, upper-echelon 1st-line NHL winger - easily the best single piece we’ve seen put on the table. Quentin Byfield spent his D+1 year putting up 20 points in 32 games in the AHL. Tkachuk spent his putting up 48 points in 76 games in the NHL. Trevor Zegras had 3 goals in 24 NHL games in his D2 year. Tkachuk had 24 in 68 in his. He’s averaged 65 points over 82 games for his career. And he’s a pain the ass. I’m not convinced that the Flames will even be able to sweeten the offer. Maybe a 2nd or the equivalent? Zary is their best prospect, 12 OA their best asset. Maybe adding a more significant piece from each side? Reinhart for Lindholm?
dudacek Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 All that said, trading one stud for his alleged Masshole tendencies for another whose seem even more pronounced seems odd, and Tkachuk’s next contract is going to be a pain.
nfreeman Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: Not sure where to put this. Fella at the Sabres Hockeybuzz blog (goes by TheSabresTaco -- seems a decent fella) posted this last night: Alrite. So what I've got, and it goes against what I've posted I felt. Jack to Calgary is almost locked in. Goes against Broads' friend who says LA, but lines up with the Mayor/Freidman. Surgery talk is dead silent, just like Freidman/Dredger claimed. Sam Reinhart is 100% gone. Doesn't want to return. I made him say 100%, he said 100%. Same with Risto. Granato is 50/50. Adams wants to talk to Lane Lambert and Jeff Halpern. I don't give a poop if I turn out to be wrong. My guy has been connected to the Sabres for many years. Throws stones if ya feel like it. One more thing. I disagree with it, but he said expect to trade 1OA. I find all of this totally plausible.
klos1963 Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) Tkachuk is in the last year of his contract, right? That's a big risk thinking he'd want to re-sign with the Sabres. Edit : He's an RFA, so the risk is lessened. Edited June 13, 2021 by klos1963
stinky finger Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: Yeah, I assume the "to start" means that's a low opening bid. 1
stinky finger Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: Not sure where to put this. Fella at the Sabres Hockeybuzz blog (goes by TheSabresTaco -- seems a decent fella) posted this last night: Alrite. So what I've got, and it goes against what I've posted I felt. Jack to Calgary is almost locked in. Goes against Broads' friend who says LA, but lines up with the Mayor/Freidman. Surgery talk is dead silent, just like Freidman/Dredger claimed. Sam Reinhart is 100% gone. Doesn't want to return. I made him say 100%, he said 100%. Same with Risto. Granato is 50/50. Adams wants to talk to Lane Lambert and Jeff Halpern. I don't give a poop if I turn out to be wrong. My guy has been connected to the Sabres for many years. Throws stones if ya feel like it. One more thing. I disagree with it, but he said expect to trade 1OA. I know where you can put this.
Thorner Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hoss said: I’m going to assume that’s all nonsense (some of it is obvious guessing) but Calgary makes a ton of sense for Jack. They need a shakeup. Big meh on this. I’d need another good piece. 50 minutes ago, dudacek said: I’ve seen Tkachuk, Zary and 12OA in numerous places. It is the best offer I have seen that the other team’s fan base seems willing to do. And I am not convinced we will get a better offer. Zary is a good, Peterka-level prospect. 12th is a high pick where we should get another prospect his equal or better. And Tkachuk is a 23-year-old, upper-echelon 1st-line NHL winger - easily the best single piece we’ve seen put on the table. Quentin Byfield spent his D+1 year putting up 20 points in 32 games in the AHL. Tkachuk spent his putting up 48 points in 76 games in the NHL. Trevor Zegras had 3 goals in 24 NHL games in his D2 year. Tkachuk had 24 in 68 in his. He’s averaged 65 points over 82 games for his career. And he’s a pain the ass. I’m not convinced that the Flames will even be able to sweeten the offer. Maybe a 2nd or the equivalent? Zary is their best prospect, 12 OA their best asset. Maybe adding a more significant piece from each side? Reinhart for Lindholm? I, too, find the Calgary offer a little bit more palatable than the others. Due to the presence of the best NHL player, Tkachuk, like the bottom post alluded to. I kinda like Zary too. What we really need to do is find a way to get Lindholm in the deal. Would Johnson be enough to get Lindholm added? I think I'd demand something like that, if Eichel was healthy. Eichel and Johnson for Tkachuk, Lindholm, Zary, and the pick. I doubt Calgary makes that deal but to me that would be close to a home-run deal if there's one to be had and we need to make one. I'd rather trade Reinhart for now-players too, but it opens up the avenue of trading him for futures as Lindholm and Tkachuk could slide in for Eichel's C spot and Reinhart's W spot and provide proper insulation for the younger players. Eichel and Reinhart for Tkachuk, Lindholm, Zary and the first probably gets it done, but we are downgrading Eichel significantly to Lindholm, Tkachuk and Reinhart I see more less as a hockey trade, and I don't think Zary and the first makes up the difference from Lindholm to Eichel. Maybe: Eichel, Reinhart for Tkachuk, Lindholm, Zary, 2021 first, 2022 first: The 2022 first unprotected contingent on Eichel playing a certain amount of games next season Edited June 13, 2021 by Thorny 2
Hoss Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Thorny said: I, too, find the Calgary offer a little bit more palatable than the others. Due to the presence of the best NHL player, Tkachuk, like the bottom post alluded to. I kinda like Zary too. What we really need to do is find a way to get Lindholm in the deal. Would Johnson be enough to get Lindholm added? I think I'd demand something like that, if Eichel was healthy. Eichel and Johnson for Tkachuk, Lindholm, Zary, and the pick. I doubt Calgary makes that deal but to me that would be close to a home-run deal if there's one to be had and we need to make one. I'd rather trade Reinhart for now-players too, but it opens up the avenue of trading him for futures as Lindholm and Tkachuk could slide in for Eichel's C spot and Reinhart's W spot and provide proper insulation for the younger players. Eichel and Reinhart for Tkachuk, Lindholm, Zary and the first probably gets it done, but we are downgrading Eichel significantly to Lindholm, Tkachuk and Reinhart I see more less as a hockey trade, and I don't think Zary and the first makes up the difference from Lindholm to Eichel. Maybe: Eichel, Reinhart for Tkachuk, Lindholm, Zary, 2021 first, 2022 first: The 2022 first unprotected contingent on Eichel playing a certain amount of games next season I’d definitely do that Eichel, Johnson for Lindholm, Tkachuk, Zary and a 2021 1st. I’d be willing to add another piece on our end (like pick 33 or Tage or something like that). Then if we could get 8 and Turcotte for Samson which seems to be a popular offer, that’d be a great start to this reset. Throw Risto and a pick to Arizona for Connor Garland. Top nine of: Tkachuk - Lindholm - Olofsson Skinner - Cozens - Garland Bjork - Mittelstadt - Tage Edited June 13, 2021 by Hoss 2
Thorner Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hoss said: I’d definitely do that Eichel, Johnson for Lindholm, Tkachuk, Zary and a 2021 1st. I’d be willing to add another piece on our end (like pick 33 or Tage or something like that). Then if we could get 8 and Turcotte for Samson which seems to be a popular offer, that’d be a great start to this reset. Throw Risto and a pick to Arizona for Connor Garland. Top nine of: Tkachuk - Lindholm - Olofsson Skinner - Cozens - Garland Bjork - Mittelstadt - Tage Yep, pretty much - I see it the same way. Risto out to supplement the top 6 to keep this thing on the tracks
Weave Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) Tkachuk makes me giddy and AND want to reflex away at the same time. He's got game that this team has never had, but he's got red flags too. It would be a high risk, high reward type deal. I suppose you can say that about Jack as well at this point. I wonder how risk adverse KA is? We know JBott was risk adverse. Edited June 13, 2021 by Weave 1
Thorner Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) Though I doubt Reinhart gets both 8 and Turcotte tbh 1 minute ago, Weave said: Tkachuk makes me giddy and AND want to reflex away at the same time. He's got game that this team has never had, but he's got red flags too. It would be a high risk, high reward type deal. I wonder how risk adverse KA is? We know JBott was risk adverse. I suppose you can say that about Jack as well at this point. My gut is that he's not all that risk adverse compared to the average. The Quinn pick was risky. Edited June 13, 2021 by Thorny
Weave Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: Though I doubt Reinhart gets both 8 and Turcotte tbh My gut is that he's not all that risk adverse compared to the average. The Quinn pick was risky. My gut is that he's not all that risk adverse compared to the average. The Quinn pick was risky. I reordered the sentences so it made more sense. Doesn't change your response any. 1
stinky finger Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 Would be interesting to see McDavid/Eichel in a battle of Alberta. 2
JohnC Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Not sure where to put this. Fella at the Sabres Hockeybuzz blog (goes by TheSabresTaco -- seems a decent fella) posted this last night: Alrite. So what I've got, and it goes against what I've posted I felt. Jack to Calgary is almost locked in. Goes against Broads' friend who says LA, but lines up with the Mayor/Freidman. Surgery talk is dead silent, just like Freidman/Dredger claimed. Sam Reinhart is 100% gone. Doesn't want to return. I made him say 100%, he said 100%. Same with Risto. Granato is 50/50. Adams wants to talk to Lane Lambert and Jeff Halpern. I don't give a poop if I turn out to be wrong. My guy has been connected to the Sabres for many years. Throws stones if ya feel like it. One more thing. I disagree with it, but he said expect to trade 1OA. If a version of the Calgary deal is in play then that would be the baseline for any team team to match or surpass. My expectation is that as the draft approaches and the trade talks get more serious the prospective returns increase. If you add Reinhart and Risto to the trade mix in this deal or separate deals than the return should be better. What does this all mean? That our roster is going to be significantly altered. 1
Thorner Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 Actually @Hoss didn't Skinner do well with Lindholm in Carolina? Maybe they'd go: Skinner - Lindholm - Olofsson Tkachuk - Cozens - Garland 1
Weave Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Thorny said: Actually @Hoss didn't Skinner do well with Lindholm in Carolina? Maybe they'd go: Skinner - Lindholm - Olofsson Tkachuk - Cozens - Garland Tkachuk and Cozens would be a hard line to play against. 3
Hoss Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Weave said: Tkachuk makes me giddy and AND want to reflex away at the same time. He's got game that this team has never had, but he's got red flags too. It would be a high risk, high reward type deal. I suppose you can say that about Jack as well at this point. I wonder how risk adverse KA is? We know JBott was risk adverse. Tkachuk gives me the same feeling. And I imagine with his contract the way it is he probably asks for $9M a year in his next deal ... so ultimately by trading Jack we’d save $1M a year but go to a young LW. That scares me.
freester Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Hoss said: I’d definitely do that Eichel, Johnson for Lindholm, Tkachuk, Zary and a 2021 1st. I’d be willing to add another piece on our end (like pick 33 or Tage or something like that). Then if we could get 8 and Turcotte for Samson which seems to be a popular offer, that’d be a great start to this reset. Throw Risto and a pick to Arizona for Connor Garland. Top nine of: Tkachuk - Lindholm - Olofsson Skinner - Cozens - Garland Bjork - Mittelstadt - Tage If VO is in your top line, you’re not a playoff team. He’s a 3rd liner and a pp specialist.
Hoss Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Thorny said: Though I doubt Reinhart gets both 8 and Turcotte tbh This offer originated from a national pundit speculating about LA’s level of interest in Samson. I don’t know that it would happen either but it would be a very good value if we get more veteran-type pieces in an Eichel deal.
Kong Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) Mark Scheifele is apparently in play...https://www.foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-roundup-mark-scheifele-trade-talk-and-gerard-gallant-provides-update/ I'd take Mark on my team anytime. Edited June 13, 2021 by Kong
Hoss Posted June 13, 2021 Report Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, freester said: If VO is in your top line, you’re not a playoff team. He’s a 3rd liner and a pp specialist. Chandler Stephenson, Leo Komorov, Ondrej Palat, Artturi Lehkonen. Those are the names of four players playing on the first line of the four remaining teams. It is not realistic to expect to have three first-line players, six top-six players, etc etc. For cost reasons. Olofsson plays a role that can be valued on a line like that.
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