Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation

[Randall Flagg]

We don't need the piece Thorny wants for this year. We probably need it in the organization by October 2022. There are a lot of ways we could go about getting it from this point. Drysdale is worth getting if the best available center prospect otherwise is worse than Kravtsov. He, and other pieces in our organization, have the potential to make this team good or to help bring in that piece 

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

He’s pointing out that we have unproven babies in two of our what, five most important positions, and no one behind them if they fail.

And he’s saying it would be a mistake to not use our best trade asset to address that.

I don’t agree with him given the option being discussed at the moment, but it’s hardly out of line for a topic of conversation.

On the contrary, it’s a huge concern.

Of course his concern about the center position is a legitimate issue. I'm not saying otherwise. Who disagrees that there is a center deficiency on this team?  But repeatedly pointing out what should have happened doesn't advance anything in the Jack trade rumors topic. If a prospective trading partner doesn't include a top tier center prospect then the follow-up issue is what alternative trade packages can be acceptable in a trade deal. Where you are at is where you are at!

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

Of course his concern about the center position is a legitimate issue. I'm not saying otherwise. Who disagrees that there is a center deficiency on this team?  But repeatedly pointing out what should have happened doesn't advance anything in the Jack trade rumors topic. If a prospective trading partner doesn't include a top tier center prospect then the follow-up issue is what alternative trade packages can be acceptable in a trade deal. Where you are at is where you are at!

 

3 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

We don't need the piece Thorny wants for this year. We probably need it in the organization by October 2022. There are a lot of ways we could go about getting it from this point. Drysdale is worth getting if the best available center prospect otherwise is worse than Kravtsov. He, and other pieces in our organization, have the potential to make this team good or to help bring in that piece 

Ok, I'll stop mentioning it. 

[Andrew Amerk]

31 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Jesus,... 255 pages.

This thread sucks.

Cant blame Jesus. He hasn’t been the owner or one of the dozen GMs in the last decade. 

[SwampD]

1 minute ago, Andrew Amerk said:

Cant blame Jesus. He hasn’t been the owner or one of the dozen GMs in the last decade. 

Stupid auto correct. It was supposed to say Jebus.

[dudacek]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

Idk if agree. Maybe not to the same extent but Peterka, Poltapov, and even Quinn feature a grittiness. Kisakov and Rosen are pretty fearless. 

From what I’ve read on here, I understand the Marchand factor is an element I value more than you do.

Comtois brings that along with as much willingness to get his nose dirty and  more physical strength than any of the above. Added to the more important fact he is a good two-way hockey player, it’s a package we don’t have in the system and, in my observation, most championship teams have in their arsenal.

 

 

[Andrew Amerk]

10 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Of course his concern about the center position is a legitimate issue. I'm not saying otherwise. Who disagrees that there is a center deficiency on this team?  But repeatedly pointing out what should have happened doesn't advance anything in the Jack trade rumors topic. If a prospective trading partner doesn't include a top tier center prospect then the follow-up issue is what alternative trade packages can be acceptable in a trade deal. Where you are at is where you are at!

It’s funny how we complained for years that Buffalo didn’t have a solid center spine. Then, for a short time, they had one. 

Now we are back to complaining about it again. The biggest insult was Samson, who should’ve been a C all this time, but only became one at the end. 

Years of misery to draft C’s John and Samson and acquire ROR, all gone. 

Edited August 9, 2021 by Andrew Amerk

[thewookie1]

43 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I think you’re so focused on the need for centre you are ignoring other needs.

I like Joki as much as the next Sabrefan, but he certainly not a sure fire 1st-pairing RD and there is literally no one in pipeline who might be. Hell, Laaksonen is the only other RD in the the entire organization who projects as an NHL.

And while we have plenty of wingers, we have no one at all who approaches the power forward mode or plays with an edge. Pekar? Brett Murray? 

At centre we at least have two guys with legitimate shots at turning into top-six level players. I absolutely agree we need more, but we also need RHD and power forwards and this trade meets both needs.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good great.

But we need centers, not 30 wingers

[freester]

3 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

But we need centers, not 30 wingers

Don’t worry we can move wingers to Center like Leino an Mojo. Both worked out splendidly 🙄

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

But we need centers, not 30 wingers

So draft three in the 1st round next year.

Trade one of your wingers, or left defenceman for one.

[Andrew Amerk]

8 minutes ago, dudacek said:

So draft three in the 1st round next year.

Trade one of your wingers, or left defenceman for one.

You make it sound easy, but the Sabres are sitting on a top C that they can’t even trade. 

Edited August 9, 2021 by Andrew Amerk

[LGR4GM]

33 minutes ago, dudacek said:

From what I’ve read on here, I understand the Marchand factor is an element I value more than you do.

Comtois brings that along with as much willingness to get his nose dirty and  more physical strength than any of the above. Added to the more important fact he is a good two-way hockey player, it’s a package we don’t have in the system and, in my observation, most championship teams have in their arsenal.

 

 

I love what Comtois brings. I just feel there's bits and pieces of that in other wingers we have too. 

I love grit, but only when paired with talent. Comtois fits 

[Marvin]

43 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Stupid auto correct. It was supposed to say Jebus.

Why not The Jesus?  John Turturro would be cool.

[kas23]

If Krebs, Rossi, Zegras, Lafreniere, Byfield, all 1C prospects are all off the table, then there’s only one logical thing to do. Kevyn said everyone needs to have patience and this is a long game. So, it’s time to take ***** the market. Get him back on the ice and prove to GMs he’s healthy. Tell Jack we couldn’t get anything better for him than a bag of pucks and a used jock strap, which isn’t that far from the truth. 

[SwampD]

12 minutes ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

Why not The Jesus?  John Turturro would be cool.

But, he’s a pederass.

[sabremike]

"If you can carry a lion you can carry a line"

Tage is clearly our answer at center!

 

[I-90 W]

8 hours ago, SwampD said:

But, he’s a pederass.

The Jesus jabs are getting old. Don’t cry about people “bringing up religion”in hockey threads when they come to His defense. If it’s not allowed, people should stop bringing it up as a joke. 

8 hours ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

Why not The Jesus?  John Turturro would be cool.

 

[Marvin]

19 minutes ago, I-90 W said:

The Jesus jabs are getting old. Don’t cry about people “bringing up religion”in hockey threads when they come to His defense. If it’s not allowed, people should stop bringing it up as a joke. 

 

"The Jesus" is a reference to "The Big Lebowski."  The character was played by John Turturro.  I was trying to lighten things up, but I guess it fell flat.

Edited August 9, 2021 by Marvin, Sabres Fan

[Doohicksie]

16 minutes ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

I was trying to lighten things up, but I guess it fell flat.

[PromoTheRobot]

19 minutes ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

"The Jesus" is a reference to "The Big Lebowski."  The character was played by John Turturro.  I was trying to lighten things up, but I guess it fell flat.

[WildCard]

 

[Curt]

1 hour ago, I-90 W said:

The Jesus jabs are getting old. Don’t cry about people “bringing up religion”in hockey threads when they come to His defense. If it’s not allowed, people should stop bringing it up as a joke. 

 

Haven’t watched The Big Lebowski, have you?

[inkman]

6 minutes ago, Curt said:

Haven’t watched The Big Lebowski, have you?

That movie came out in 98 

[I-90 W]

11 minutes ago, Curt said:

Haven’t watched The Big Lebowski, have you?

Nope, I haven’t. But if people so much as even named the current or former president, irregardless of context, it would be rightfully interpreted as bringing up politics. This is no different. Actually it’s much worse but I think you get my point. 
 

I don’t bring up religion around here, but I sure do have to defend Him every now and then. People unanimously don’t like these talks here, so others probably shouldn’t bring it up. 

[Curt]

8 minutes ago, I-90 W said:

Nope, I haven’t. But if people so much as even named the current or former president, irregardless of context, it would be rightfully interpreted as bringing up politics. This is no different. Actually it’s much worse but I think you get my point. 
 

I don’t bring up religion around here, but I sure do have to defend Him every now and then. People unanimously don’t like these talks here, so others probably shouldn’t bring it up. 

It wasn’t a religious reference.  It was a reference to a character (a league bowler named Jesus) in a film scene.