Crusader1969 Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 Sorry if this has already been posted JS Dea on radio in Montreal The Laval native mentioned the big difference between Jack Eichel and Sidney Crosby: leadership. "All I can tell you is that he's no Sidney Crosby. "He's not a bad person, but maybe there are reasons why Buffalo was in a situation like that".
Shmuffalo Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: Sorry if this has already been posted JS Dea on radio in Montreal The Laval native mentioned the big difference between Jack Eichel and Sidney Crosby: leadership. "All I can tell you is that he's no Sidney Crosby. "He's not a bad person, but maybe there are reasons why Buffalo was in a situation like that". Didn't know Crosby was being shopped.
bunomatic Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: Sorry if this has already been posted JS Dea on radio in Montreal The Laval native mentioned the big difference between Jack Eichel and Sidney Crosby: leadership. "All I can tell you is that he's no Sidney Crosby. "He's not a bad person, but maybe there are reasons why Buffalo was in a situation like that". We know the reasons. Jack was likely the least of them. Ownership.
dudacek Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) The window of a Zegras/Comtois/1st type package has passed in my mind. If a GM was willing to pay that kind of price it would have been done. Adams set the bar too high. I think we are into 2 mid-range 1sts/prospects/young player, a cap dump, and a lesser prospect/pick Something like us giving up Rosen, Johnson, Miller and a 2nd Or Schneider, Georgiev, Strome and a 2nd Edited July 29, 2021 by dudacek
Shmuffalo Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) Not sure why I'm expanding on an something irrelevant, but as to "intangibles" and "leadership," Crosby was around Lemieux, Recchi, Roberts, and plenty more (NHL's number 101 best player of all time Malkin)... He was dogged for whining, and complaining to refs (which, I disagree with it, save for his first year), but even after they won in 09, he still carried the image in many people's mind up until maybe 2014/15. And no, Eichel is no Crosby, just that the perception of players change as they mature - problem being, Eichel (or his agent) hammered this issue, and it's not a tremendous look, moreover, if his agent stopped leaking sh-- to the press, I think he'd be gone. We know you want and expect a trade, we want and expect a reasonable return. Suck it up, John, you signed for the long haul and now you want out; aren't contracts a pain in the neck. /s Edited July 29, 2021 by Shmuffalo 3
Randall Flagg Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 Vegas is built to win a cup right now. Right this second. Nobody knows what they'll look like in 3 years. Vegas' center spine is Karlsson, Stephenson, and guys who will only ever play in the bottom 6. Without touching their cup contending roster, they can turn that center depth into Eichel, Karlsson, Stephenson. It doesn't make any sense for Vegas not to trade for Eichel. The cap can be figured out. They will not win a cup with this center spine, even though their team plays cup-winning hockey. We saw it stall out last year, it will happen again this year. Come on Bill and Kelly. Krebs, your first rounder, Hague, a nice-but-not-best-remaining prospect, and whatever cap you'd like to hand off. 6
Doohicksie Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Shmuffalo said: Didn't know Crosby was being shopped. Your statement makes no sense.
dudacek Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: Vegas is built to win a cup right now. Right this second. Nobody knows what they'll look like in 3 years. Vegas' center spine is Karlsson, Stephenson, and guys who will only ever play in the bottom 6. Without touching their cup contending roster, they can turn that center depth into Eichel, Karlsson, Stephenson. It doesn't make any sense for Vegas not to trade for Eichel. The cap can be figured out. They will not win a cup with this center spine, even though their team plays cup-winning hockey. We saw it stall out last year, it will happen again this year. Come on Bill and Kelly. Krebs, your first rounder, Hague, a nice-but-not-best-remaining prospect, and whatever cap you'd like to hand off. I agree this seems to make sense. But if it is possible, how do you explain the Dadanov trade? They already traded some of their limited futures for an expensive vet they had to squeeze under the cap. I seriously don’t understand Dadanov at all. This is a team that already has Patches, Stone, Smith, Marchesseault and Tuch. They are loaded with wingers who can score. Edited July 29, 2021 by dudacek
Radar Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said: Vegas is built to win a cup right now. Right this second. Nobody knows what they'll look like in 3 years. Vegas' center spine is Karlsson, Stephenson, and guys who will only ever play in the bottom 6. Without touching their cup contending roster, they can turn that center depth into Eichel, Karlsson, Stephenson. It doesn't make any sense for Vegas not to trade for Eichel. The cap can be figured out. They will not win a cup with this center spine, even though their team plays cup-winning hockey. We saw it stall out last year, it will happen again this year. Come on Bill and Kelly. Krebs, your first rounder, Hague, a nice-but-not-best-remaining prospect, and whatever cap you'd like to hand off. I think a lot of the problem here is Jack is not going to be playing a full year and that means his impact is very possibly a year away. That's assuming he'll get back to fiull form. This puts is value a lot lower than us fans may accept. Certainly a fact Rivet (barf) on the Instigators doesn't want to acknowledge. If we manage to trade Eichel it's going to be at a discount . Ten freakin years of this ownership and we're continually going in reverse. Now I'm to trust they can rebuild this. Ten freakin years!!!! 2
Randall Flagg Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, dudacek said: I agree this seems to make sense. But if it is possible, how do you explain the Dadanov trade? They already traded some of their limited futures for an expensive vet they had to squeeze under the cap. I seriously don’t understand Dadanov at all. This is a team that already has Patches, Stone, Smith, Marchesseault and Tuch. They are loaded with wingers who can score. The Sabres asked for him. Or something
LGR4GM Posted July 29, 2021 Author Report Posted July 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: The Sabres asked for him. Or something That was my only thought. The Sabres want Dadanov for their growing Russian connection and figure they can re-sign him for a couple years. Honestly at this point it just doesn't seem like it is happening.
LGR4GM Posted July 29, 2021 Author Report Posted July 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: LGR. The right thing. Do it. ? Friedman says that what the rangers wanted to do and what buffalo wanted were not even close. Described it as 2 venn diagram circles that don't overlap at all.
Stoner Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: ? Friedman says that what the rangers wanted to do and what buffalo wanted were not even close. Described it as 2 venn diagram circles that don't overlap at all. The thread is sick. You have the shotgun, and, look, there's a big old barn over there.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, sabremike said: "But finishing last guarantees us Jack Eichel" How did that work out? Hindsight. At the time no one was saying "Oh no, not Jack. He's an a**hole!" Edited July 29, 2021 by PromoTheRobot
WildCard Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Randall Flagg said: Good work so far Kevyn.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, WildCard said: Other GMs, and their media enablers, are trying to grind Kev down. But he's not budging. "HODOR!" 1
MODO Hockey Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, WildCard said: This org is one sad story indeed.
darksabre Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 This whole thing is just pure, unadulterated, asset management. Jack Eichel can't have surgery because this route is the best way to maintain his value as an asset during these trade discussions. I wouldn't be surprised if the surgery would have been on the table for him here if they weren't in trade discussions. Which means Adams has been listening to offers for quite a while and none of them have been the right value. Cold and logical is fine by me. 3
Buffalonill Posted July 29, 2021 Report Posted July 29, 2021 Did I read that correctly ? "Peyton Krebs is absolutely what the Sabres are looking to get out of Vegas, and the Golden Knights are reluctant to give him up" This getting ridiculous lol ***** knights then
LGR4GM Posted July 29, 2021 Author Report Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Buffalonill said: Did I read that correctly ? "Peyton Krebs is absolutely what the Sabres are looking to get out of Vegas, and the Golden Knights are reluctant to give him up" This getting ridiculous lol ***** knights then Hearing how far off the Rangers are was my favorite part. It isn't just their fans but their GM too.
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