Radar Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) On 7/25/2021 at 10:44 AM, Curt said: It all depends on the deal though doesn’t it. If Minnesota was trying to say Dumba, Rask, Boldy/Rossi, and a 1st, is that enough? Expand That seems to fit with what it appears to me to be their blue print. Edited July 25, 2021 by Radar
Curt Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) On 7/25/2021 at 10:57 AM, Radar said: That seems to fit with what it appears to me to be their blue print. Expand Whose blueprint? Not the blueprint that Adams has laid out. Edited July 25, 2021 by Curt
Radar Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 10:59 AM, Curt said: Whose blueprint? Not the blueprint that Adams has laid out. Expand Get young promising prospects and high draft choices. This is obviously not about winning short term. This is total rebuild. I say rebuild because they I don't think are trying to lose but they are willing to in order to build from ground up.
Curt Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 11:06 AM, Radar said: Get young promising prospects and high draft choices. This is obviously not about winning short term. This is total rebuild. I say rebuild because they I don't think are trying to lose but they are willing to in order to build from ground up. Expand The blueprint that seems to have been laid out is 4 good young pieces, of 1st round pick equivalent value.
Radar Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 11:10 AM, Curt said: The blueprint that seems to have been laid out is 4 good young pieces, of 1st round pick equivalent value. Expand Okay. Yes that's true but it's also true they need a goalkeeper and probably are in a position to take on money to get those young prospects off other teams.
Kr632 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 10:22 AM, Randall Flagg said: Source? Expand You give up your source and they stop giving you info.
nucci Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:11 AM, Thorny said: Get outa here Terry with that noise Best return, full stop Expand Forces ROR trade and now limits Eichel trade. #pegulaville 1
Stoner Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 HE'S THE OWNER!!!!! Where's the evidence he makes KA do stuff? He's just expressing his opinion. Kev can do what he wants.
JohnC Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 11:10 AM, Curt said: The blueprint that seems to have been laid out is 4 good young pieces, of 1st round pick equivalent value. Expand The desire that the Sabres wanted 4 good young pieces for Jack that are at a 1st round value were returns that were hoped for. There is nothing wrong with starting off negotiations at a highpoint. If the market doesn't respond to your initial high stance then you adjust and move your expectations downward. If the Sabres can come away with 2 or surprisingly 3 high value returns I will be more than satisfied. The Sabres are not driving this market; it is responding to it. It comes down to expectation facing the reality of the marketplace.
bob_sauve28 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 1:57 PM, JohnC said: The desire that the Sabres wanted 4 good young pieces for Jack that are at a 1st round value were returns that were hoped for. There is nothing wrong with starting off negotiations at a highpoint. If the market doesn't respond to your initial high stance then you adjust and move your expectations downward. If the Sabres can come away with 2 or surprisingly 3 high value returns I will be more than satisfied. The Sabres are not driving this market; it is responding to it. It comes down to expectation facing the reality of the marketplace. Expand There has to be some immediate help though. A good NHL defenseman, perhaps a goalie who could play now, and after that I'm cool with pulling in draft picks, first and second rounders.
jsb Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:52 AM, LGR4GM said: I'd take both. Rask is 1 year so who cares. Dumba is 2 but we need a right Expand I technically agree with you but I'm not sure they really want to dump Dumba, they only have 3 signed Dmen so far including Dumba, so I'm guessing we could add 1 or 2 of our young LHD prospects (Samuelson-Johnson-Bryson) if we really want to get Boldy and Rossi ++ in return. I think both GMs are playing mind games in the media also, so I wouldn't necessarily believe much that is coming out of either of their mouths. We'll see.
JohnC Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 2:37 PM, bob_sauve28 said: There has to be some immediate help though. A good NHL defenseman, perhaps a goalie who could play now, and after that I'm cool with pulling in draft picks, first and second rounders. Expand You have a choice: You get what you can get or you wait it out a little longer and start the season with Jack on the roster. By moving out Risto and Reinhart you make it more likely that the return on Jack is less because teams recognize that eventually Jack will have to be moved. I was happy with the return for Risto but disappointed on the return for Reinhart. But when you are cornered and in a tough situation you have to adjust to it. There is no hiding the fact to the rest of the league that the Sabres want to move on from the three players who formed the old core. It's not a question of being in a position of strength or weakness as it is the reality of the direction where this organization is heading toward i.e. rebuilding. I believe that it's in Jack's and the franchise's best interest to move on from each other. I have little criticism for Jack wanting to have a fresh start somewhere else. When you have systemic failure it's not surprising that you get more player/s disillusionment. I'm at the point where if the return meets my lower expectation of getting a respectable return I will be sufficiently satisfied. 1
kas23 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:24 PM, JohnC said: You have a choice: You get what you can get or you wait it out a little longer and start the season with Jack on the roster. By moving out Risto and Reinhart you make it more likely that the return on Jack is less because teams recognize that eventually Jack will have to be moved. I was happy with the return for Risto but disappointed on the return for Reinhart. But when you are cornered and in a tough situation you have to adjust to it. There is no hiding the fact to the rest of the league that the Sabres want to move on from the three players who formed the old core. It's not a question of being in a position of strength or weakness as it is the reality of the direction where this organization is heading toward i.e. rebuilding. Expand I’m not so sure of that. Both of those players were basically 1 year rentals that weren’t going to sign with us. It’s natural for us wanting to get assets for them. Jack is different. He has 5 more years on his contract and if tomorrow was opening night, I still think we have a decent young roster with him included. We finally have a viable 2C. Plus, Jack is only 24. Some may even argue that Jack is even more valuable to us now that Sam and Risto have been moved. 1
JohnC Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:33 PM, kas23 said: I’m not so sure of that. Both of those players were basically 1 year rentals that weren’t going to sign with us. It’s natural for us wanting to get assets for them. Jack is different. He has 5 more years on his contract and if tomorrow was opening night, I still think we have a decent young roster with him included. We finally have a viable 2C. Plus, Jack is only 24. Some may even argue that Jack is even more valuable to us now that Sam and Risto have been moved. Expand The Sabres and Jack have one thing in common. Both sides recognize that it is time to move on. Jack is not buying in to the rebuild just as Risto and Reinhart were not invested in it. What Jack wants is a fresh start somewhere else; what the franchise wants is a reset. It's in the interest of both sides to move on. How it gets done and the timing of it are to be determine. But the inevitable divorce will get done. Adams has not been subtle about the buy-in required from his players, and Jack has made his feelings known to the organization not so much where he wants to go to but where he doesn't want to be.
Buffalonill Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 A lot of buzz on Twitter that Habs are gunning hard for jack eichel. I would hate this
kas23 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:45 PM, JohnC said: The Sabres and Jack have one thing in common. Both sides recognize that it is time to move on. Jack is not buying in to the rebuild just as Risto and Reinhart were not invested in it. What Jack wants is a fresh start somewhere else; what the franchise wants is a reset. It's in the interest of both sides to move on. How it gets done and the timing of it are to be determine. But the inevitable divorce will get done. Adams has not been subtle about the buy-in required from his players, and Jack has made his feelings known to the organization not so much where he wants to go to but where he doesn't want to be. Expand I agree. Or at least would have agreed in the past. But, I’m just not 100% sure anymore. I’m not convinced that KA is going to come down on his price, nor do I think he should. Ever. That said, GMs across the league want things on the cheap. I’m not so sure they are going to “decimate their franchise” (or some other overly dramatic verbiage). So, if there is an impasse, which is incredibly possible, Jack is to going to be faced with a big decision. Sit or play hockey. Do you think KA is going to, or should, come down on his price just “to move him”?
Digger Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:52 PM, Buffalonill said: A lot of buzz on Twitter that Habs are gunning hard for jack eichel. I would hate this Expand I absolutely agree with you. I would hate it on two fronts. First I don't think the Habs have enough A+ prospects to give back in a trade. I would be shocked if they would agree to trade Caufield and that's their best piece to trade with us. Second having to listen to the Canadian media continuously talk in the future about how they stole Eichel for their success. It would hurt especially for me living in Ontario. I have to listen to the arrogance about the Leafs and Habs all year long. 1
Stoner Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:52 PM, Buffalonill said: A lot of buzz on Twitter that Habs are gunning hard for jack eichel. I would hate this Expand Why do we care? 3
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:59 PM, PASabreFan said: Why do we care? Expand Something, something ... division, conference, nonsense ... something, something ........
Cascade Youth Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:59 PM, PASabreFan said: Why do we care? Expand We want them to beat us up without Eichel instead of beating us up with Eichel. Something about getting hit with your own shoe hurts more?
Buffalonill Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:59 PM, PASabreFan said: Why do we care? Expand Seeing him destroy us is one thing
bob_sauve28 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:52 PM, Buffalonill said: A lot of buzz on Twitter that Habs are gunning hard for jack eichel. I would hate this Expand I’d take Jake Allen off their hands, no problem. But there would have to be a lot more
Stoner Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 4:04 PM, Buffalonill said: Seeing him destroy us is one thing Expand 1. Jack? Jack Eichel? 2. Are we just assuming we're going to be dirt forever? If so, we're already getting destroyed by everyone else.
Hoss Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:52 PM, Buffalonill said: A lot of buzz on Twitter that Habs are gunning hard for jack eichel. I would hate this Expand I don’t see any of this buzz aside from Eklund 2
Stoner Posted July 25, 2021 Report Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 4:02 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: Something, something ... division, conference, nonsense ... something, something ........ Expand Unfortunately that's how the owner thinks, according to Vogl's source. Sad. Very old thinking. Is anyone surprised?
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