dudacek Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 2:33 AM, JohnC said: He would reject this offer simply because it wasn't good enough. I don't see how rejecting this particular offer is going to drive up other offers. It appears that he has a baseline value return that he is not going to go below for any team. Are offers coming in and increasing as the draft approaches? I don't know. Expand Not saying you're wrong, I think you are seeing what you want to see. It is almost certainly true that the Sabres told them the offer wasn't good enough and they don't feel empowered to go further. But under the circumstances (the Sabres wanting to trade Eichel) it is more likely they are holding an auction and looking to lever the best offer, as opposed to setting a price and saying "first one to pay it, he's yours."
Randall Flagg Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 However miniscule it is, Vegas is going to be our shot at Zegras 2
LGR4GM Posted June 25, 2021 Author Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 3:15 AM, Randall Flagg said: However miniscule it is, Vegas is going to be our shot at Zegras Expand That's my hope.
apuszczalowski Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 2:38 AM, LGR4GM said: Columbus can't do better. They're a wasteland of nothing. Expand Thats why I would want to see Eichel go there....... 2 1
LGR4GM Posted June 25, 2021 Author Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 3:43 AM, apuszczalowski said: Thats why I would want to see Eichel go there....... Expand It wouldn't help the Sabres and trades are zero sum games. On 6/25/2021 at 3:15 AM, Randall Flagg said: However miniscule it is, Vegas is going to be our shot at Zegras Expand Vegas also has Pavel Dorofeyev... which is an interesting prospect to add to the pile of assets.
thewookie1 Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 Well Vegas should certainly help in driving up the price for Eichel
Randall Flagg Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) On 6/25/2021 at 3:43 AM, apuszczalowski said: Thats why I would want to see Eichel go there....... Expand I get being indifferent towards the future circumstances of Jack Eichel. Given all available facts, though, it's tough to square away the animosity that some people already have. It's ugly and not inviting good hockey karma. We all saw what happened the last time the Sabres invited hockey karma with this type of ugliness. We became the only team to be in first place after October (and it was almost December) to miss the NHL playoffs in history (we missed by 20 points) while the guy we wished ill on won everything you can win. Edited June 25, 2021 by Randall Flagg 2
apuszczalowski Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 3:52 AM, Randall Flagg said: I get being indifferent towards the future circumstances of Jack Eichel. Given all available facts, though, it's tough to square away the animosity that some people already have. It's ugly and not inviting good hockey karma. We all saw what happened the last time the Sabres invited hockey karma with this type of ugliness. We became the only team to be in first place after October (and it was almost December) to miss the NHL playoffs in history (we missed by 20 points) while the guy we wished ill on won everything you can win. Expand He wants out, let him go to somewhere as bad or worse. It wasn't Karma that made the Sabres bad, its the continuous hiring of inexperienced or poor choices to run this team 1
apuszczalowski Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 3:46 AM, LGR4GM said: It wouldn't help the Sabres and trades are zero sum games. Vegas also has Pavel Dorofeyev... which is an interesting prospect to add to the pile of assets. Expand I disagree, I think they could get something worthwhile from Columbus for him. They have atleast one Goalie they will need to move and have multiple 1st rounders. If they want a salary dump, they can throw in Lainie too....... And Im expecting that no matter where he goes, fans are going to be greatly disappointed as to what Adams ends up taking for him
LGR4GM Posted June 25, 2021 Author Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 4:01 AM, apuszczalowski said: I disagree, I think they could get something worthwhile from Columbus for him. They have atleast one Goalie they will need to move and have multiple 1st rounders. If they want a salary dump, they can throw in Lainie too....... And Im expecting that no matter where he goes, fans are going to be greatly disappointed as to what Adams ends up taking for him Expand Here's my problem. You're not coming at this from the angle of "how do I make the Sabres better" but from the angle "I'm mad at jack and want to punish him". Columbus has nothing. Just a few first round picks. That doesn't help the Sabres unless you truly believe the picks are worth more than players. 1
Brawndo Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 12:14 AM, dudacek said: Agree with the first sentence, however: I like Krebs more than Turcotte as well, but that's a personal preference; their, size, skill, age, attitudes, defence and their production is all on a similar level. I think LA might take Tuch over pick 8, but that doesn't mean Buffalo should. Can't remember a top 10 pick ever being traded for a player like Tuch. I guess what I'm saying is the packages are close enough that the adds matter. Also, 3OA is head and shoulders above anything above, and anything else we believe to be on the table. And Comtois is no slouch. There is a reason why Anaheim is believed to be the current focus. Expand And I believe those are the main pieces of the deal, 3OA is Top Prospect in the Sabres Eyes. Imagine if they draft Elkund first and make Seattle choose between Power and Beniers. Bader’s Model really likes Elkund. On 6/25/2021 at 2:38 AM, LGR4GM said: Columbus can't do better. They're a wasteland of nothing. Expand On 6/25/2021 at 2:41 AM, Curt said: Correct, it seems that perhaps Columbus got to a point where the answer to that question was a definite no. Expand Columbus probably looked at the assets they would have to expend for Eichel and realized a rebuild was the best course. On 6/25/2021 at 3:46 AM, LGR4GM said: It wouldn't help the Sabres and trades are zero sum games. Vegas also has Pavel Dorofeyev... which is an interesting prospect to add to the pile of assets. Expand Nyet, no Russians
klos1963 Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 2:52 AM, Pimlach said: Maybe but atleast that group at least has some future. Let’s get a goalie. Expand This seems to get lost on a lot of people. We don't have an NHL quality goalie on our roster...anywhere. 1
Randall Flagg Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 4:01 AM, apuszczalowski said: I disagree, I think they could get something worthwhile from Columbus for him. They have atleast one Goalie they will need to move and have multiple 1st rounders. If they want a salary dump, they can throw in Lainie too....... And Im expecting that no matter where he goes, fans are going to be greatly disappointed as to what Adams ends up taking for him Expand Source that Eichel wants out? As far as we know, he has never asked for a trade, and he simply wanted a surgery that he felt would get him on the ice the quickest, and let us know that via a press conference 2 months ago, the only thing we have ever heard from him that deviates from baseline. 2
thewookie1 Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 4:08 AM, Brawndo said: And I believe those are the main pieces of the deal, 3OA is Top Prospect in the Sabres Eyes. Imagine if they draft Elkund first and make Seattle choose between Power and Beniers. Bader’s Model really likes Elkund. Expand I'd rather take Beniers 1st and let Seattle choose between Eklund and Power in that case. We'd win either way. 3OA to me is a solid prospect but not one worth anything near a Zegras/Dach type. I want a Zegras/Dach type as evidence they don't intend to sit on their hands the next few years hoping to get 1OA again. I want to at least have a slight hope for a playoff berth if things fall a certain way. 1 1
apuszczalowski Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 4:06 AM, LGR4GM said: Here's my problem. You're not coming at this from the angle of "how do I make the Sabres better" but from the angle "I'm mad at jack and want to punish him". Columbus has nothing. Just a few first round picks. That doesn't help the Sabres unless you truly believe the picks are worth more than players. Expand 1st round picks in this draft are apparently one of the things Adams is looking for in a deal (according to most reports). Columbus also has goalies available, something else Buffalo needs Most of the other reports have some of the other teams unwilling to include their best prospects in a deal for Eichel.
dudacek Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 4:08 AM, Brawndo said: And I believe those are the main pieces of the deal, 3OA is Top Prospect in the Sabres Eyes. Imagine if they draft Elkund first and make Seattle choose between Power and Beniers. Bader’s Model really likes Elkund. Expand The idea of Eklund #1 is growing on me. The idea of Eklund and Beniers is why I’m warm to the Anaheim rumours. If we get “stuck” with Power at #3 or even Guenther, I can live with that. 1
PerreaultForever Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 Starting to wonder if Adams isn't pricing himself out of the possible markets. LA is apparently out, now Columbus is out, so Anaheim? Maybe Vegas bowing out to Montreal peaks their interest in a change/addition.
Huckleberry Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 5:29 AM, PerreaultForever said: Starting to wonder if Adams isn't pricing himself out of the possible markets. LA is apparently out, now Columbus is out, so Anaheim? Maybe Vegas bowing out to Montreal peaks their interest in a change/addition. Expand LA is not out - And if anyone can afford to lose center prospects its them. Would they risk Eichel going to Anaheim ?
Curt Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) On 6/25/2021 at 10:49 AM, Huckleberry said: LA is not out - And if anyone can afford to lose center prospects its them. Would they risk Eichel going to Anaheim ? Expand If LA made a decision that it’s not in their best interest to give up the assets required to acquire Eichel, then I can’t see them changing their mind and making a push to get him just to stop Anaheim from getting him. It will be a trade that alters the course of a franchise and could be a career defining trade for a GM. They have to actually want it, it’s not going to be done just to stop someone else from doing it. That would be a pretty backwards way to run a team. Also, I honestly believe that there are some teams out there with limited interest in Eichel due to their opinion of him as a person, and perhaps LA is one of them. That being said, the LA out stuff could just be a smoke screen. Edited June 25, 2021 by Curt
mjd1001 Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 5:29 AM, PerreaultForever said: Starting to wonder if Adams isn't pricing himself out of the possible markets. LA is apparently out, now Columbus is out, so Anaheim? Maybe Vegas bowing out to Montreal peaks their interest in a change/addition. Expand I think Adams is in a no-win situation with the Eichel trade, at least with the fan base. Many posters on this board are banging the drum to get multiple top prospects or picks and if they can't get it now to hold out for it until you do. Yet some stories seem to say Adams is asking for that and other teams are dropping out left and right. The reality is Eichel may want out and the sabres may want him out for reasons we don't know of, but the return that many expect simply may not be there. If Adams doesn't trade Eichel soon after everything that's gone down, a segment of the fan base will be upset with him for waiting too long to trade him. On the other hand if he does trade them and doesn't get a huge return, a different segment of the fan base will be showing up at the arena with torches and pitchforks. 3
Derrico Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 11:58 AM, mjd1001 said: I think Adams is in a no-win situation with the Eichel trade, at least with the fan base. Many posters on this board are banging the drum to get multiple top prospects or picks and if they can't get it now to hold out for it until you do. Yet some stories seem to say Adams is asking for that and other teams are dropping out left and right. The reality is Eichel may want out and the sabres may want him out for reasons we don't know of, but the return that many expect simply may not be there. If Adams doesn't trade Eichel soon after everything that's gone down, a segment of the fan base will be upset with him for waiting too long to trade him. On the other hand if he does trade them and doesn't get a huge return, a different segment of the fan base will be showing up at the arena with torches and pitchforks. Expand The reality may also mean don’t believe everything you read in the media. Teams have an incentive to say one thing publicly and then do another. This is Jack freaking Eichel. I know there is the injury issue but there’s also a decent chance in 6 months he’s back to being a top 10 nhl player. It would be absurd to trade him for that Columbus package. We CANNOT have another ROR trade. That will set this franchise back years… 4
Buffalonill Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 5:29 AM, PerreaultForever said: Starting to wonder if Adams isn't pricing himself out of the possible markets. LA is apparently out, now Columbus is out, so Anaheim? Maybe Vegas bowing out to Montreal peaks their interest in a change/addition. Expand Good a franchise center shouldn't come free 3
LGR4GM Posted June 25, 2021 Author Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 4:16 AM, apuszczalowski said: 1st round picks in this draft are apparently one of the things Adams is looking for in a deal (according to most reports). Columbus also has goalies available, something else Buffalo needs Most of the other reports have some of the other teams unwilling to include their best prospects in a deal for Eichel. Expand Again you're still missing 2 of the 4 pieces for Columbus to work. You got 1 first rounder, 1 nhl goalie... 0 prospects of any note, no good nhl roster player coming back. Columbus sucked as a trade partner which is why they're out. Maybe it's a sign Adams isn't as dumb as some suggest.
Gabrielor Posted June 25, 2021 Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 5:29 AM, PerreaultForever said: Starting to wonder if Adams isn't pricing himself out of the possible markets. LA is apparently out, now Columbus is out, so Anaheim? Maybe Vegas bowing out to Montreal peaks their interest in a change/addition. Expand Columbus never had a chance, so no concern there. There's no realistic package I would've liked from them. L.A. is a wildcard, so who knows. Vegas losing is definitely to our advantage. Anaheim I'm sure is still very much in it. There's likely 2-3 other teams in this no one has talked about. I'm glad Adams hasn't accepted the first volley. I'm sure ANA is trying to get away with pick 3 as the centerpiece, while keeping Zegras. I want Adams to fight for the right return. He has leverage on ANA. They aren't getting another shot at Eichel after this summer.
LGR4GM Posted June 25, 2021 Author Report Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 4:28 AM, dudacek said: The idea of Eklund #1 is growing on me. The idea of Eklund and Beniers is why I’m warm to the Anaheim rumours. If we get “stuck” with Power at #3 or even Guenther, I can live with that. Expand
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