Sabres Trade Taylor Hall (50% of His Salary Retained)and Curtis Lazar to Boston for a 2021 2nd and Anders Bjork

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

It would be interesting what that signing actually cost us.

Would we be sitting here with Tyler Toffoli, for example? Would we have signed another goalie? Would Ralph still be here?

Though it's hard to imagine a worse scenario than what played out, the "what ifs" don't even matter that much to me. It's more about the evidence that starts to mount. 

[Stoner]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Adams gave Hall a no movement clause and Hall absolutely used it

I think he spent the money, too

Botox?

[LGR4GM]

Eichel is done for the season. Don't let Adams non answer fool anyone. 

Also, I am not sure Adams plans to keep Eichel past this summer. 

[darksabre]

Just now, PASabreFan said:

Well, sure, he couldn't be traded to Ottawa. There's no right that Hall could use to get traded to Boston.

Sure there is. It's called "mail it in for the rest of the season in Buffalo and then walk for nothing in FA".

[Stoner]

I just had an epiphany. Although I'd own an NHL in the hands-off way I've talked about, I'd be a meddling ***** on a day like this.

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Eichel is done for the season. Don't let Adams non answer fool anyone. 

Also, I am not sure Adams plans to keep Eichel past this summer. 

If he doesn't have confidence in his ability to right the ship heading into next season, he probably should. 

Wow. Can't believe I typed that. 

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Thorny said:

If he doesn't have confidence in his ability to right the ship heading into next season, he probably should. 

Wow. Can't believe I typed that. 

Trading Jack is a mistake. 

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Trading Jack is a mistake. 

I agree

Failing to improve and trading him next summer under a NMC an even bigger one

Edited April 12, 2021 by Thorny

[#freejame]

3 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Well, sure, he couldn't be traded to Ottawa. There's no right that Hall could use to get traded to Boston.

But he has the right to veto trades to 29 other organizations so he more or less does have that right. 

[sabremike]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

Eichel is done for the season. Don't let Adams non answer fool anyone. 

Also, I am not sure Adams plans to keep Eichel past this summer. 

If this jackass is allowed to do an Eichel trade just burn KBC to the ground and piss on it's ashes.

[Norcal]

19 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Once the Sabres sat him? Fine. Before that? The height of unprofessionalism. I find it doubtful the idea of being a Bruin only entered his mind last week. Scum.

Right. He was just skating around sucking the life out of the team. 

[#freejame]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

If he doesn't have confidence in his ability to right the ship heading into next season, he probably should. 

Wow. Can't believe I typed that. 

I thought today was a pretty ugly day on the board. The shitshow that would take place if Eichel is traded would probably cause half the posters to be banned and the board to implode on itself. 

[Billznut]

1 minute ago, #freejame said:

I thought today was a pretty ugly day on the board. The shitshow that would take place if Eichel is traded would probably cause half the posters to be banned and the board to implode on itself. 

If Eichel is traded, the organization won’t be worth following anymore anyways, so the board imploding will hardly matter at that point. 

[Thorner]

4 minutes ago, #freejame said:

I thought today was a pretty ugly day on the board. The shitshow that would take place if Eichel is traded would probably cause half the posters to be banned and the board to implode on itself. 

I think people probably realize in real time along with Adams just how much the league will go out of their way to actively not help the sabres. or any team - Adams doesn't even have any favours to call in. We can't trade, and signings don't work. 

they have to rebuild without setting a bomb off first to the entirety of the roster, which I think they are going to do. 

I think the rebuild bit pertains to Jack. Just a guess. 

[Norcal]

14 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Fair enough.  

I love it when the inmates run the asylum.  I'm in full agreement with Lawton.  He should have told Hall to give him more options so that he needed to do what's best for the franchise.  If Hall wouldn't then let him play out the year on the 4th line or sit in the pressbox.

Someone on here has said this all along and been mostly chastised for it.

Contractually earned means he had a NMC and my choices er choice, was Bahston

[mphs mike]

15 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:

 

I think we also have to factor in Hall's NMC, based upon what he has said post trade

[Drag0nDan]

Just now, Norcal said:

Someone on here has said this all along and been mostly chastised for it.

Contractually earned means he had a NMC and my choices er choice, was Bahston

Right.  Between that there was the high salary that limits suitors, his poor play this year (and honestly prior - 29 goals across the last 3 seasons), and the fact that he's a skill winger that doesn't take draws, or kill penalties - all these things limited his value.  I mean he has 19 points playing with jack for most of the time, and playing on a power play that for a stretch was one of the better ones in the league.

Edited April 12, 2021 by Drag0nDan

[Randall Flagg]

19 minutes ago, Thorny said:

If he doesn't have confidence in his ability to right the ship heading into next season, he probably should. 

Wow. Can't believe I typed that. 

Do you see my calculator work from earlier now? 

You can either get the team right with Eichel for the first time ever in 3 months, with no option for failure, or say bye to Jack for a first rounder (top 10 protected) and Matt Grezlyk or whatever, 

 

or maybe,

 

it's a little easier to make this team legit-good quick when you have leverage on an Eichel deal 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Randall Flagg

[Thorner]

4 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

Do you see my calculator work from earlier now? 

You can either get the team right with Eichel for the first time ever in 3 months, with no option for failure, or say bye to Jack for a first rounder (top 10 protected) and Matt Grezlyk or whatever, 

 

or maybe,

 

it's a little easier to make this team legit-good quick when you have leverage on an Eichel deal 

I only agree it's the right premise for the current management group, though

that's a weighted sentiment 

I don't think getting things right would have been that hard for a competent management team. it only seems hard because we are standing amongst the wreckage of our operational staff and realizing no one there has anything better to say than we do

Edited April 12, 2021 by Thorny

[nfreeman]

Again:  did anyone here, at the time we signed Hall, say that he/she would've walked away from signing him because of the NMC?

[GASabresIUFAN]

Just now, nfreeman said:

Again:  did anyone here, at the time we signed Hall, say that he/she would've walked away from signing him because of the NMC?

Not sure we knew initially that there was an NMC when he signed.

[Thorner]

2 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

Again:  did anyone here, at the time we signed Hall, say that he/she would've walked away from signing him because of the NMC?

well, again:

within the context of the decision already having been made to add Hall, absolutely no issue with the NMC being given

absolutely no issue with the return considering context

and at the time, I even agreed Hall was a good signing

That's the good thing about results though: they are objective. In spite of all of that, KA took a big swing and suffered a big fat "L" on the Taylor Hall add, and his entire offseason. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

I was happy we signed him as well, until I saw what RK had planned for Skinner and that KA failed to address the issues at RW.  Then deal made less sense and now in hindsight the whole episode is one the worst in Sabres history.

[Randall Flagg]

7 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I only agree it's the right premise for the current management group, though

that's a weighted sentiment 

I don't think getting things right would have been that hard for a competent management team. it only seems hard because we are standing amongst the wreckage of our operational staff and realizing no one there has anything better to say than we do

I think these are the cards we have been dealt 

[Thorner]

3 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

I think these are the cards we have been dealt 

I'm so glad you picked this analogy. 

We indeed were dealt those cards. A skilled player can make from that what they need to. 

Adams and Co. have no course of action but to keep folding until they are dealt a good hand through the draft.

trial and error.