2021 Buffalo Bills

[Doohicksie]

4 hours ago, Hoss said:

Thankfully the plays the defense makes (or the Chiefs offense doesn’t make) count, too.

The pressure on Mahomes definitely entered into the turnover equation, but like I said without those it's a much closer game.

 

Late in the game I thought it was odd that the Chiefs seemed all to happy to take what we gave them in the middle of the field and run the clock down.  Down by between 11 and 18 most of the second half I would have expected them to try to preserve more clock especially in the fourth quarter.

[Taro T]

4 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

The pressure on Mahomes definitely entered into the turnover equation, but like I said without those it's a much closer game.

 

Late in the game I thought it was odd that the Chiefs seemed all to happy to take what we gave them in the middle of the field and run the clock down.  Down by between 11 and 18 most of the second half I would have expected them to try to preserve more clock especially in the fourth quarter.

Well, Mahomes got picked twice trying to force something that's not there and Hill can break a play wide open from just about anywhere on the field, so it seemed more of a case of trying to continue to stay in the game and get a playmaker to make a play. 

But the blueprint is there for how to beat KC.  But not many teams have the D-line and the offense to actually follow the blueprint.

For once, the Bills were ready for what Mahomes threw at them.  Great game plan by Frazier & McDermott.

[Doohicksie]

19 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Great game plan by Frazier & McDermott.

Bears repeating.

[nfreeman]

9 hours ago, FogBat said:

Dude, do us all a favor: STFU. You’re sounding like Crissy Collinsworth, whether you’re using backhanded compliments or not.

C'mon.  You know better than this.

 

1 hour ago, WildCard said:

Milano will be back next week. AJ Klein is better in the run anyways. We need Oliver and Star to stop Henry.

I think they will rest Milano next week and then through the bye week to get that hammy healthy.

[Thorner]

2 hours ago, Indabuff said:

Collinsworthless

got his ass 

[Hoss]

3 hours ago, inkman said:

The last two weeks have been by far, and I mean by far, his best two games as a pro.  

Still can only get backhanded compliments for Tremaine around here. What a shame.

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, MattPie said:

I'm wondering (but enough to go look) if he's like Joe Buck, where everyone thinks he's rooting for the other team. Which probably means, as a national broadcaster, he's doing his job.

He is not like Joe Buck. He is color, not play by play.  He talks too much. 

[Hoss]

1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

There were a couple key "makeup calls" in the Bills' favor (Andy Reed was just as mad at the refs as we were) but yeah, frustrating game to watch from that aspect.

Have any examples? The Frank Clark roughing on Josh is a popular one but even Chiefs fans have woke up admitting it was the right call. It was the very definition of throwing your body weight onto a quarterback who is already down. He changed his momentum to drive his shoulder into him while he was down. You can hate the rule but you can’t hate that call.

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

got his ass 

Not to belabour it, but it’s his job to call the game as it’s being played.

It was a beat down in the other team’s house in a marquee matchup and he completely ignored that story as it was unfolding in front of him.

How much time did he spend dwelling on big Allen plays? On bad Mahomes throws?

I go back to the 4th down stop that I pointed out in real time: the Bills covered the most dangerous receiving corps in football for 8 seconds on a crucial game-turning sequence, and he chose to talk about the great play of the Chiefs O-line.

You know, the line that got owned by an exclusively 4-man front over 60. And not the 2ndary that held the most dangerous quarterback in football to 272 yards on 54 attempts, and picked him off twice.

Call the game that’s being played, not the one you invented in your head.

[Thorner]

6 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Not to belabour it, but it’s his job to call the game as it’s being played.

It was a beat down in the other team’s house in a marquee matchup and he completely ignored that story as it was unfolding in front of him.

How much time did he spend dwelling on big Allen plays? On bad Mahomes throws?

I go back to the 4th down stop that I pointed out in real time: the Bills covered the most dangerous receiving corps in football for 8 seconds on a crucial game-turning sequence, and he chose to talk about the great play of the Chiefs O-line.

You know, the line that got owned by an exclusively 4-man front over 60. And not the 2ndary that held the most dangerous quarterback in football to 272 yards on 54 attempts, and picked him off twice.

Call the game that’s being played, not the one you invented in your head.

my comment was like an internet thing where i was drawing attention to the "tame/obvious" nature of the putdown - wasn't really taking a stance on CC.

- - - 

CC did what he always does, fawn over the latest "most talented QB of all time" of the day. It was Rodgers regardless of his playoff failures and now it's Mahomes - Herbert stuff has already started and the mantle may even be on Josh Allen before this season is over - the NFL does this weird thing where the latest greatest young QB is always proclaimed to be the "the most talented thrower of the football...ever?!". Maybe cause of all the rule changes over the years or they just want to sell it, I dunno. Point is I wouldn't worry about the overhype - watching the game as a neutral observer I still heard a lot of Josh Allen compliments. 

Any time CC isn't ranting about how football is, "that's just basketball!", we should consider ourselves lucky as viewers 

[Norcal]

Shout out to the Wizard....Brandon Beane.

He said they needed to get better on both lines and went out and drafted this magnificent specimen to even the playing field.

Spencer Brown, another huge human being played a solid game at RT as well. 

Studs all the way from the GM on down!!!

 

[Hoss]

15 minutes ago, inkman said:

Right. When he flashes every game, being a difference maker, he’ll get the respect you incessantly gripe about. 

He was a difference maker his entire sophomore year, was good in almost every situation down the stretch of last season and has been good in every single game this year. But we’ll keep waiting for Sabrespace to catch up.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Building the Bills

Whaley/McDermott

2017 - White (star), Zay Jones (traded), Dawkins (starter), Milano (star), Peterman and Vellejo - all 6 currently in the NFL w 3 Bills starters - Jones only real disappointment.  Grade A (Missing on Jones only negative)

Beane's drafting

2018 - Allen (Star), Edmunds (star), Phillips (depth), Taron Johnson (starter), Neal (key depth), Teller (Browns starter), McCloud (Pitt return specialist) and Proehl - Only Proehl never played in the NFL.  2 All-Pros and 3 key depth.  Only real mistake was losing Teller.  Grade A++

2019 - Oliver (starter), Ford (benched), Singletary (part time starter), Knox (becoming a star), Joseph, J Johnson (depth), D Johnson (Carolina depth), Sweeney (depth). - All but Joseph in the NFL.  6 current Bills with Oliver and Knox having the most impact.  Grade B+ (Ford drops grade and Singletary also looks like he is losing his job)

2020 - Epenesa (Key Depth), Moss (Starter), Davis (Key Depth),  Fromm (practice squad QB), Bass (Star kicker), Hodgins (practice squad), D Jackson (depth).  Whole draft part of the organization. Grade B+ but could become an A as Moss and Epenesa improve their status. Moss looks primed to be the No. 1 running back.  Bass was worth the pick. 

2021 -  Rousseau (starter), Basham (depth), Brown (starter), Doyle (depth), Stevenson (IR), Hamlin (depth), Wildgoose (PS), Anderson (lost to Philly).  Rousseau looks like a stud, Brown has been awesome since becoming a starter.  Grade A 

Honestly, the only guy who Beane "missed" on are Ford.  Ford still has a chance to become a good player.  This is really impressive.  9 starters (3 pro-bowl caliber players, plus 6 key depth players.  31 picks overall with 24 NFL players plus 1 IR and 4 PS players.  Only 5th round Vosean Joseph and 7th round Austin Proehl not in the NFL.  Wow. 

Edited October 11, 2021 by GASabresIUFAN

[freester]

3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Beane's drafting

2017 - White (star), Zay Jones (traded), Dawkins (starter), Milano (star), Peterman and Vellejo - all 6 currently in the NFL w 3 Bills starters - Jones only real disappointment.  Grade A (Missing on Jones only negative)

2018 - Allen (Star), Edmunds (star), Phillips (depth), Taron Johnson (starter), Neal (key depth), Teller (Browns starter), McCloud (Pitt return specialist) and Proehl - Only Proehl never played in the NFL.  2 All-Pros and 3 key depth.  Only real mistake was losing Teller.  Grade A++

2019 - Oliver (starter), Ford (benched), Singletary (part time starter), Knox (becoming a star), Joseph, J Johnson (depth), D Johnson (Carolina depth), Sweeney (depth). - All but Joseph in the NFL.  6 current Bills with Oliver and Knox having the most impact.  Grade B+ (Ford drops grade and Singletary also looks like he is losing his job)

2020 - Epenesa (Key Depth), Moss (Starter), Davis (Key Depth),  Fromm (practice squad QB), Bass (Star kicker), Hodgins (practice squad), D Jackson (depth).  Whole draft part of the organization. Grade B+ but could become an A as Moss and Epenesa improve their status. Moss looks primed to be the No. 1 running back.  Bass was worth the pick. 

2021 -  Rousseau (starter), Basham (depth), Brown (starter), Doyle (depth), Stevenson (IR), Hamlin (depth), Wildgoose (PS), Anderson (lost to Philly).  Rousseau looks like a stud, Brown has been awesome since becoming a starter.  Grade A 

Honestly, the only 2 guys who Beane has "missed" on are Ford and Zay Jones.  Ford still has a chance to become a good player and Zay is still in the NFL.  This is really impressive.  12 starters (5 pro-bowl caliber players, plus 6 key depth players.  37 picks overall with 31 NFL players plus 1 IR and 4 PS players.  Only 5th round Vosean Joseph and 7th round Austin Proehl not in the NFL.  Wow. 

Beane wasn’t involved in 2017 draft. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

6 minutes ago, freester said:

Beane wasn’t involved in 2017 draft. 

My bad, he was hired like a week later.  Edited previous post for accuracy.

Edited October 11, 2021 by GASabresIUFAN

[Doohicksie]

1 hour ago, Norcal said:

Shout out to the Wizard....Brandon Beane.

He said they needed to get better on both lines and went out and drafted this magnificent specimen to even the playing field.

Spencer Brown, another huge human being played a solid game at RT as well. 

Studs all the way from the GM on down!!!

 

And for all you criticizing CC:  He ends this clip, "We're gonna look back on this night and we're gonna say this is the night a lot of things changed in the AFC."  That doesn't sound like kissing the Chiefs' butts to me.

[WildCard]

1 minute ago, Doohickie said:

And for all you criticizing CC:  He ends this clip, "We're gonna look back on this night and we're gonna say this is the night a lot of things changed in the AFC."  That doesn't sound like kissing the Chiefs' butts to me.

1 line outta 100

[Doohicksie]

Just now, WildCard said:

1 line outta 100

[That Aud Smell]

^^

I didn't keep a running inventory, but my takeaway was that Collinsworth was absolutely brutal in making his story lines about the Chiefs, not the Bills. Insufferable.

[WildCard]

4 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

It's not only me saying it. I'm far from the minority in this opinion here.

1 minute ago, That Aud Smell said:

^^

I didn't keep a running inventory, but my takeaway was that Collinsworth was absolutely brutal in making his story lines about the Chiefs, not the Bills. Insufferable.

Exactly. 

[Sabres Fan in NS]

My take on Collinsworth is ...

Who cares??

Really, we fans should not give a rats ass what any of these clowns say.

Bottom line ... a huge victory over a foe that was the Bills nemesis (SP?? ... I don't care about goodly speeling here) last season.

[Doohicksie]

I hate to be arguing pro-CC because I don't like him much myself, but here's the thing:  The Bills haven't won anything.  The Chiefs are the reining AFC champs and recent Super Bowl champs.  When Bills start winning in the post season, the droolers like CC will be drooling over the Bills.  Until then don't expect the Bills to get any respect on national broadcasts. 

[Buffalonill]

13 hours ago, FogBat said:

Dude, do us all a favor: STFU. You’re sounding like Crissy Collinsworth, whether you’re using backhanded compliments or not.

First of all  Collinsworth said you guys got all the calls ..

 I disagree  The bills got screwed over a couple times

 

But I'm being negative ?

[inkman]

1 hour ago, Hoss said:

He was a difference maker his entire sophomore year, was good in almost every situation down the stretch of last season and has been good in every single game this year. But we’ll keep waiting for Sabrespace to catch up.

Rather than just stating your opinion, why not provide some empirical evidence. 

[Andrew Amerk]

4 hours ago, inkman said:

Rather than just stating your opinion, why not provide some empirical evidence. 

You haven’t provided any. 
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