Should Pro Sports "Jump the Line" for a Vaccine?

[pi2000]

9 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Things such as developing the 1st ever corona virus vaccine for humans in a mere 9 months and ramping up inoculations to a rate of 1MM / day within 3 months?

Those both were truly herculean accomplishments.

1.53MM/day last week in the US.. and increasing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

[WildCard]

16 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Things such as developing the 1st ever corona virus vaccine for humans in a mere 9 months and ramping up inoculations to a rate of 1MM / day within 3 months?

Those both were truly herculean accomplishments.

To be fair we didn't develop the vaccines

[Taro T]

6 minutes ago, WildCard said:

To be fair we didn't develop the vaccines

To be fair, the Pfizer vaccine was a joint US - German effort & the Moderna vaccine was a US based one.  There are other vaccines in development as well.

[LGR4GM]

36 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Things such as developing the 1st ever corona virus vaccine for humans in a mere 9 months and ramping up inoculations to a rate of 1MM / day within 3 months?

Those both were truly herculean accomplishments.

Herculean is a bit of an exaggeration. Also lots of places developed vaccines and Pfizer was a joint venture that Germany should get most of the credit for. 

27 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

1.53MM/day last week in the US.. and increasing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

Which is great and as it should be. Still, hockey players aren't near the top of the list. 

[pi2000]

10 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Herculean is a bit of an exaggeration. Also lots of places developed vaccines and Pfizer was a joint venture that Germany should get most of the credit for. 

Which is great and as it should be. Still, hockey players aren't near the top of the list. 

Agreed.   

But, at the same time I know dozens of folks who have received the full two doses who are single, work from  full-time at a computer, but are in the "health care" industry.    Would those doses be better of served to teachers?   Absolutely.

Look, I'm not saying to take vaccine away from teachers to give to pro-athletes... but there is already a significant amount of those shenanigans taking place.  

[LGR4GM]

45 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Things such as developing the 1st ever corona virus vaccine for humans in a mere 9 months and ramping up inoculations to a rate of 1MM / day within 3 months?

Those both were truly herculean accomplishments.

I actually want to come back to this because it is partially untrue. The COVID 19 vaccine was not just magically developed out of thin air in 9 months. There has been extensive work since Sars Cov and Mers Cov on creating vaccines for them which was dovetailed into specifically working on COVID 19. The RNA technology used in the first 2 released vaccines was able to be so quickly developed because they were already working on creating an RNA vaccine for the same family of virus, corona. What changed is that companies that were doing the research in part shifted to that research in full, receiving funding from government and private sources. This rapidly sped up the development. The ability to sequence the DNA of C-19 meant that once the proteins and how they were built was understood, work could begin on looking at those binder proteins and figuring out how to lock them up. 

What we truly witnessed was what would happen if humanity actually exerted it's collective efforts to solve problems. In this case the problem was COVID 19 and the solution was using pioneering RNA vaccination technology that was probably 3-5 years away from commercial use and accelerating that timeline. Is it a great accomplishment, yes. But you are implying the US thumped our chests and made it so, which simply isn't how it transpired.

Further the development is not the same as the production and distribution. It took until January for the defense production act to be used to prioritize vaccine production, that is months behind schedule. The mass vaccination sites that could have been set up in December if not January are only now being mobilized. Finally, we have an entire thread dedicated to the idea that pro athletes should be allowed to jump the line. This key detail is why I am unhappy, because we are valuing the lives of hockey players, who honestly could not play for another 10 months and it wouldn't matter, over the lives of things that do matter such as teachers. If we can create a process to vaccinate 1000 hockey players, we sure as hell can create a process to get 100,000 teachers vaccinated first. 

[Taro T]

17 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Herculean is a bit of an exaggeration. Also lots of places developed vaccines and Pfizer was a joint venture that Germany should get most of the credit for. 

Which is great and as it should be. Still, hockey players aren't near the top of the list. 

When the sum total of corona virus vaccines ever effectively created for any corona virus effecting humans was ZERO as of March and less than a year later over 1MM people are getting inoculated in just the US alone, herculean is less of an exaggeration than you make it out to be IMHO.

[WildCard]

43 minutes ago, Taro T said:

To be fair, the Pfizer vaccine was a joint US - German effort & the Moderna vaccine was a US based one.  There are other vaccines in development as well.

I had read/heard otherwise, fair enough

[Taro T]

20 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I actually want to come back to this because it is partially untrue. The COVID 19 vaccine was not just magically developed out of thin air in 9 months. There has been extensive work since Sars Cov and Mers Cov on creating vaccines for them which was dovetailed into specifically working on COVID 19. The RNA technology used in the first 2 released vaccines was able to be so quickly developed because they were already working on creating an RNA vaccine for the same family of virus, corona. What changed is that companies that were doing the research in part shifted to that research in full, receiving funding from government and private sources. This rapidly sped up the development. The ability to sequence the DNA of C-19 meant that once the proteins and how they were built was understood, work could begin on looking at those binder proteins and figuring out how to lock them up. 

What we truly witnessed was what would happen if humanity actually exerted it's collective efforts to solve problems. In this case the problem was COVID 19 and the solution was using pioneering RNA vaccination technology that was probably 3-5 years away from commercial use and accelerating that timeline. Is it a great accomplishment, yes. But you are implying the US thumped our chests and made it so, which simply isn't how it transpired.

Further the development is not the same as the production and distribution. It took until January for the defense production act to be used to prioritize vaccine production, that is months behind schedule. The mass vaccination sites that could have been set up in December if not January are only now being mobilized. Finally, we have an entire thread dedicated to the idea that pro athletes should be allowed to jump the line. This key detail is why I am unhappy, because we are valuing the lives of hockey players, who honestly could not play for another 10 months and it wouldn't matter, over the lives of things that do matter such as teachers. If we can create a process to vaccinate 1000 hockey players, we sure as hell can create a process to get 100,000 teachers vaccinated first. 

SARS came out in 2004 IIRC.  We still await a vaccine for it to be released.  You can downplay how impressive the vaccine development & distribution has been, but it doesn't make it accurate. 

YOUR implication was that it was EASY to go from 0 vaccines to distributing over 1 MM doses daily in just this country alone in under 1 year.  It was far from that.  (Apologies that you seem to think my post was meant to imply the US acted alone in development of the vaccine; that was not the intent.  But the US was integral in the development, and the distribution to date actually is extremely impressive though there are still many hurdles to overcome.  But to simply be where we are now did take a herculean effort.  It is what it is.)

But, by all means, continue forth with your rant should that be your desire.

Edited February 10, 2021 by Taro T

[LGR4GM]

4 minutes ago, WildCard said:

I had read/heard otherwise, fair enough

It was developed by the Germans and they did a phase I, II, and III test in the US after starting in Germany with the same clinical phases if you look up the timeline. 

[LGR4GM]

11 minutes ago, Taro T said:

SARS came out in 2004 IIRC.  We still await a vaccine for it to be released.  You can downplay how impressive the vaccine development & distribution has been, but it doesn't make it accurate. 

YOUR implication was that it was EASY to go from 0 vaccines to distributing over 1 MM doses daily in just this country alone in under 1 year. But the US was integral in the development and the distribution to date actually is extremely impressive though there are still many hurdles to overcome.)

But, by all means, continue forth with your rant should that be your desire.

There is no US distribution process, they are just allocated to the states. The States currently are left on their own to create whatever distribution process they so decide. We will see if that changes going forward but considering we knew in April if not May that we would need to have a mass distribution and vaccination program, no I am not currently impressed with the last 2 months. 

The work on SARS from 2004 is exactly why we (the world) could develop a mRNA vaccine for COVID-19 in 9 months. If you really want your brain blown, Pfizer had the current vaccine we have, developed in it's early form within 3 months. They begin Phase I trials in April after receiving the DNA profile of COVID 19 in January. 

 

Explaining that this technology was previously in development is a "rant" ... okay. 

 

Edited February 10, 2021 by LGR4GM

[Taro T]

36 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

There is no US distribution process, they are just allocated to the states. The States currently are left on their own to create whatever distribution process they so decide. We will see if that changes going forward but considering we knew in April if not May that we would need to have a mass distribution and vaccination program, no I am not currently impressed with the last 2 months. 

The work on SARS from 2004 is exactly why we (the world) could develop a mRNA vaccine for COVID-19 in 9 months. If you really want your brain blown, Pfizer had the current vaccine we have, developed in it's early form within 3 months. They begin Phase I trials in April after receiving the DNA profile of COVID 19 in January. 

 

Explaining that this technology was previously in development is a "rant" ... okay. 

 

Dude, you seriously don't see the bulk of your posts from the last page as rants?  Granted, they aren't classic Liger meltdowns; but pretty sure most here would consider them "rants."  😉

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[Curt]

20 hours ago, Taro T said:

Dude, you seriously don't see the bulk of your posts from the last page as rants?  Granted, they aren't classic Liger meltdowns; but pretty sure most here would consider them "rants."  😉

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They seem like fairly coherent arguments being raised.  Not any more a rant than what you are posting.  That’s just me though.

[LTS]

I'd say each of us can feel how we'd like about how this all came into being.

There are fair points on each side.

Point is.. cooperation over competition can make things happen at a much faster rate.  Imagine if this was applied across the board?

 

[SwampD]

17 minutes ago, LTS said:

I'd say each of us can feel how we'd like about how this all came into being.

There are fair points on each side.

Point is.. cooperation over competition can make things happen at a much faster rate.  Imagine if this was applied across the board?

 

It is. One pharmaceutical company is actually producing the vaccine of their competitor because they said it’s the right thing to do.

[LTS]

1 minute ago, SwampD said:

It is. One pharmaceutical company is actually producing the vaccine of their competitor because they said it’s the right thing to do.

I like to think of what we could accomplish in space travel if we spent cooperated and spent money on that rather than building faster, more advanced planes that are designed to takeoff thousands of miles away and kill people from miles up in the sky.

Sigh.

[Brawndo]

1 hour ago, SwampD said:

It is. One pharmaceutical company is actually producing the vaccine of their competitor because they said it’s the right thing to do.

I believe that is going to Sandofi producing The Pfizer Vaccine, we have Covid CME Sessions and that was brought up 

Edited February 11, 2021 by Brawndo

[Brawndo]

Dr Fauci mentioned everyone that is eligible will be able to receive it starting in April, it still will be a few months after that until all receive it though 

[WildCard]

27 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Dr Fauci mentioned everyone that is eligible will be able to receive it starting in April, it still will be a few months after that until all receive it though 

Sorry, confused by this. Does that mean they'll have enough by then (be able) or they will be approved for it (eligible/will be allowed)

[Brawndo]

Friedman mentioned on Saturday Night Headlines that the Players are beginning to get vaccinated.