Eleven Posted January 24, 2021 Report Posted January 24, 2021 https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/01/24/robert-gehrke-if-we-want/
Weave Posted January 24, 2021 Report Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) Been saying that for years. And it certainly wasn't an original idea of mine. Prediction, we stay predominately a 2 party system but the Republican party has a major transformation. Guys like Romney and the McCain family will be on the outside looking in and will be forced to make an unpleasant choice. Bush II will look like a liberal when this is over. This still looks to get worse before it gets better to me. Edited January 24, 2021 by Weave
LGR4GM Posted January 27, 2021 Report Posted January 27, 2021 We are actually a 4 part system under everything. Far Right (trumpism), Real Conservatives (Romney), Moderate Liberals (Pelosi and the Dem Establishment), Progressives (AOC).
Eleven Posted January 30, 2021 Author Report Posted January 30, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 10:33 AM, LGR4GM said: We are actually a 4 part system under everything. Far Right (trumpism), Real Conservatives (Romney), Moderate Liberals (Pelosi and the Dem Establishment), Progressives (AOC). The "real conservatives" give into the "far right," though, every time, which pulls the progressives toward the center (Pelosi--she is not a liberal, not even a moderate one). It ends up being two.
Sabel79 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) On 1/30/2021 at 10:24 AM, Eleven said: The "real conservatives" give into the "far right," though, every time, which pulls the progressives toward the center (Pelosi--she is not a liberal, not even a moderate one). It ends up being two. The "real conservatives" are, and have been the Democrats, since Bill Clinton and his gang (many of whom are still rather prominent... I mean, Hillary ran on a platform demonstrably to the right of Nixon in 2016) veered the party right in the early 90's to some success. Until, of course, the Republicans were forced to stare into the abyss and decided to jump in head first, starting with the "Contract with America" (ugh) and spiraling downhill from there to what we have now. Even those who today call themselves conservative and publicly deplore Trump regret it all not one tiny bit, because he gave them what they want (Hardcore Conservative judicial nominies and a gutting of the upper end of the tax code). They care nothing about the rest of the damage, and gladly monitor their bank balances while the country plunges into what may well turn into a great depression that makes the last one look quaint. To quote Joe Pesci in Casino "Hey, they earned with the prick..." Edited February 1, 2021 by Sabel79 me no type good
Marvin Posted February 15, 2021 Report Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 9:58 AM, Sabel79 said: The "real conservatives" are, and have been the Democrats, since Bill Clinton and his gang (many of whom are still rather prominent... I mean, Hillary ran on a platform demonstrably to the right of Nixon in 2016) veered the party right in the early 90's to some success. Until, of course, the Republicans were forced to stare into the abyss and decided to jump in head first, starting with the "Contract with America" (ugh) and spiraling downhill from there to what we have now. Even those who today call themselves conservative and publicly deplore Trump regret it all not one tiny bit, because he gave them what they want (Hardcore Conservative judicial nominies and a gutting of the upper end of the tax code). They care nothing about the rest of the damage, and gladly monitor their bank balances while the country plunges into what may well turn into a great depression that makes the last one look quaint. To quote Joe Pesci in Casino "Hey, they earned with the prick..." I am a "Never Trump" Conservative -- I voted Libertarian in 2016 (I live in NYS, so my vote is irrelevant) and Biden in 2020. The judges were never worth it to me -- particularly now after the damage to our country. I view the tax cuts as a very bad idea during economic expansion -- that's when you raise rates and cut spending to lower the National Debt. (I am a fiscal conservative -- running up a deficit now is forgivable because of our dire economic straits.) I view those who stormed the Capitol as terrorists. I think that impeaching then-President Trump absolutely essential. I view convicting him as necessary. We are hearing of several Senators who voted for acquittal because of threats to themselves, their family, and friends. That's terrorism winning. "Any coup which goes unpunished is merely a dry run."
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