How well did teams do with drafting in the 4th round?

[Zamboni]

As anyone with eyes could see, for the 5th, 6th and 7th round, the Buffalo Sabres did no worse, and no better than the majority of teams. So they didn’t “under perform” or "over perform" compared to a lot of teams. It would have been nice to hit on a couple 5th rounders, but the majority of the teams didn’t either.

 

Who’s had NHL time? So i took a 10 year sample. From 2008 - 2017. In my opinion it’s too soon to judge anyone drafted in the 4th round in 2018 or more recently to determine if a team drafted well in the 4th. If you disagree, then post the more recent years if you want. I added the Buffalo picks (if there are any) just to see the names. And yes, i am well aware that this round is also pretty much a crap shoot, but i think there’s no harm in giving a little credit to the teams.

 

 

2008 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

93 Washington Braden Holtby G 468 0 11 11 25 2019-20

95 St. Louis David Warsofsky D 55 2 9 11 8 2017-18

96 NY Islanders Matt Donovan D 69 2 18 20 28 2018-19

97 Boston Jamie Arniel C 1 0 0 0 0 2010-11

101 Buffalo Justin Jokinen R

102 NY Islanders David Ullstrom C 49 6 7 13 12 2012-13

103 Edmonton Johan Motin D 1 0 0 0 0 2009-10

105 Carolina Michal Jordan D 79 3 4 7 18 2015-16

106 San Jose Harri Sateri G 9 0 0 0 0 2017-18

109 Ottawa Andre Petersson R 1 0 0 0 0 2011-12

111 NY Rangers Dale Weise R 513 55 70 125 355 2019-20

114 Calgary T.J. Brodie D 634 48 218 266 194 2019-20

117 Tampa Bay James Wright C 146 4 8 12 64 2013-14

119 Ottawa Derek Grant C 264 31 39 70 85 2019-20

121 Detroit Gustav Nyquist C 570 146 202 348 144 2019-20

 

Out of 30 picks, 14 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 14 players, only 6 have played 100 games or more.

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2009 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

92 NY Islanders Casey Cizikas C 534 74 97 171 235 2019-20

94 Columbus David Savard D 557 40 120 160 307 2019-20

95 Los Angeles J.F. Berube G 34 0 0 0 0 2017-18

96 Los Angeles Linden Vey R 138 14 30 44 24 2016-17

97 Phoenix Jordan Szwarz C 50 4 3 7 25 2019-20

98 Nashville Craig Smith R 661 162 168 330 264 2019-20

100 Ottawa Chris Wideman D 181 16 29 45 104 2018-19

102 Nashville Mattias Ekholm D 45 151 196 265 2019-20

103 Minnesota Kris Foucault L 1 0 0 0 0 2011-12

104 Buffalo Marcus Foligno L 565 75 108 183 491 2019-20

106 Anaheim Sami Vatanen D 434 45 149 194 192 2019-20

107 Florida Garrett Wilson L 84 2 6 8 42 2018-19

112 Boston Lane MacDermid L 21 2 2 4 36 2013-14

114 New Jersey Seth Helgeson D 50 1 3 4 50 2016-17

115 Washington Patrick Wey D 9 0 3 3 5 2013-14

117 Atlanta Edward Pasquale G 3 0 0 0 0 2018-19

119 Chicago Byron Froese C 110 5 11 16 47 2017-18

120 Atlanta Ben Chiarot D 374 21 64 85 253 2019-20

 

Out of 30 picks, 18 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 18 players, only 9 have played 100 games or more.

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2010 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

97 Boston Craig Cunningham R 63 3 5 8 6 2015-16

98 Buffalo Steven Shipley C

99 Florida Joonas Donskoi R 348 61 94 155 92 2019-20

103 Calgary John Ramage D 2 0 0 0 0 2015-16

104 St. Louis Jani Hakanpaa D 5 1 0 1 2 2019-20

105 Carolina Justin Shugg L 3 0 0 0 2 2014-15

106 Ottawa Marcus Sorensen L 197 30 29 59 58 2019-20

107 Colorado Sami Aittokallio G 2 0 0 0 0 2013-14

108 Calgary Bill Arnold C 1 0 0 0 0 2013-14

110 Pittsburgh Tom Kuhnhackl R 232 18 36 54 60 2019-20

111 Detroit Teemu Pulkkinen L 83 13 9 22 32 2016-17

112 Washington Philipp Grubauer G 174 0 1 1 2 2019-20

116 Toronto Petter Granberg D 45 0 2 2 29 2016-17

117 Montreal Morgan Ellis D 3 0 0 0 2 2015-16

119 Philadelphia Tye McGinn L 89 9 8 17 44 2015-16

 

Out of 30 picks, 14 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 14 players, only 4 have played 100 games or more.

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2011 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

92 Edmonton Dillon Simpson D 3 0 0 0 2 2016-17

95 NY Islanders Robbie Russo D 19 0 0 0 2 2016-17

96 Ottawa Jean-Gabriel Pageau C 435 89 95 184 170 2019-20

98 Columbus Mike Reilly D 204 8 45 53 76 2019-20

99 New Jersey Reid Boucher L 133 20 22 42 18 2018-19

101 Vancouver Joseph LaBate L 13 0 0 0 21 2016-17

104 Calgary Johnny Gaudreau L 464 151 294 445 100 2019-20

107 Buffalo Colin Jacobs C

4 110 Los Angeles Michael Mersch L 17 1 2 3 0 2015-16

114 Edmonton Tobias Rieder R 434 59 79 138 50 2019-20

121 Boston Brian Ferlin R 7 0 1 1 0 2014-15

 

Out of 30 picks, 10 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 10 players, only 5 have played 100 games or more.

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2012 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

93 Edmonton Erik Gustafsson D 221 28 91 119 71 2019-20

95 Columbus Josh Anderson R 267 65 50 115 212 2019-20

96 New Jersey Ben Thomson L 3 0 0 0 4 2016-17

97 Anaheim Kevin Roy L 28 6 1 7 6 2018-19

100 Washington Thomas Di Pauli C 2 0 0 0 10 2019-20

101 Tampa Bay Cedric Paquette C 377 47 38 85 345 2019-20

104 Dallas Gemel Smith C 83 12 9 21 42 2019-20

105 Calgary Brett Kulak D 214 8 27 35 84 2019-20

110 Detroit Andreas Athanasiou C 303 84 72 156 117 2019-20

115 Carolina Trevor Carrick D 7 0 0 0 12 2019-20

117 Philadelphia Taylor Leier L 55 2 5 7 10 2017-18

120 Carolina Jaccob Slavin D 377 29 122 151 58 2019-20

121 Los Angeles Nikolay Prokhorkin L 43 4 10 14 6 2019-20

 

Out of 30 picks, 13 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 13 players, only 6 have played 100 games or more.

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2013 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

99 Nashville Juuse Saros G 119 0 4 4 0 2019-20

100 New Jersey Miles Wood L 268 48 48 96 318 2019-20

101 Dallas Nick Paul L 112 13 15 28 34 2019-20

102 Ottawa Tobias Lindberg R 6 0 2 2 4 2015-16

103 Los Angeles Justin Auger R 2 0 0 0 0 2017-18

104 Winnipeg Andrew Copp C 356 46 64 110 54 2019-20

108 Ottawa Ben Harpur D 103 1 6 7 79 2018-19

110 NY Rangers Ryan Graves D 95 12 19 31 47 2019-20

118 Los Angeles Hudson Fasching R 22 1 2 3 8 2017-18

121 Chicago Tyler Motte C 187 22 16 38 40 2019-20

 

Out of 30 picks, 10 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 10 players, only 6 have played 100 games or more.

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2014 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

91 Edmonton William Lagesson D 8 0 0 0 0 2019-20

97 Carolina Lucas Wallmark C 167 23 33 56 58 2019-20

99 Winnipeg Chase De Leo C 4 0 0 0 0 2019-20

101 Winnipeg Nelson Nogier D 11 0 0 0 5 2018-19

106 Detroit Christoffer Ehn C 114 5 8 13 8 2019-20

108 NY Islanders Devon Toews D 116 11 35 46 20 2019-20

109 Minnesota Kaapo Kahkonen G Blues 5 0 0 0 0 2019-20

110 St. Louis Austin Poganski R 1 0 0 0 0 2019-20

112 Nashville Viktor Arvidsson R 335 117 97 214 151 2019-20

113 Pittsburgh Sam Lafferty R 50 6 7 13 23 2019-20

116 Boston Danton Heinen C 229 37 70 107 44 2019-20

117 Arizona Michael Bunting L 5 1 0 1 2 2018-19

118 NY Rangers Igor Shesterkin G 12 0 0 0 0 2019-20

 

Out of 30 picks, 13 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 13 players, only 5 have played 100 games or more.

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2015 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

92 Buffalo Will Borgen D 4 0 0 0 0 2018-19

96 Carolina Nicolas Roy C 35 5 5 10 10 2019-20

97 New Jersey Colton White D 9 0 0 0 6 2019-20

99 Los Angeles Austin Wagner L 127 18 14 32 55 2019-20

100 Nashville Anthony Richard C 2 0 0 0 0 2019-20

101 Colorado Andrei Mironov D 10 1 2 3 12 2017-18

102 Florida Denis Malgin C 192 28 32 60 42 2019-20

104 Philadelphia Mikhail Vorobyov C 35 2 3 5 8 2019-20

107 Ottawa Christian Wolanin D 43 5 10 15 6 2019-20

115 Nashville Alexandre Carrier D 5 0 0 0 2 2019-20

117 Edmonton Caleb Jones D 60 5 10 15 16 2019-20

120 Tampa Bay Mathieu Joseph R 107 17 16 33 42 2019-20

 

Out of 30 picks, 12 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 12 players, only 3 have played 100 games or more.

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2016 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

92 Toronto Adam Brooks C 7 0 3 3 0 2019-20

99 Buffalo Brett Murray L

100 Montreal Victor Mete D 171 4 27 31 30 2019-20

109 Philadelphia Connor Bunnaman C 21 1 1 2 2 2019-20

110 Chicago Lucas Carlsson D 6 0 1 1 0 2019-20

111 San Jose Noah Gregor C 28 3 2 5 8 2019-20

114 Florida Riley Stillman D 35 0 5 5 16 2019-20

116 Dallas Rhett Gardner C 8 0 0 0 2 2019-20

120 NY Islanders Otto Koivula L 12 0 0 0 2 2019-20

 

Out of 30 picks, 8 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 8 players, only 1 have played 100 games or more.

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2017 Draft

Pick number/Drafting Team/Player/Position/NHL games played/Goals/Assists/Points/PIM’s/Last NHL season

99 Buffalo Jacob Bryson D

103 Los Angeles Michael Anderson D 6 1 0 1 0 2019-20

117 Columbus Emil Bemstrom C 56 10 10 20 8 2019-20

121 Ottawa Drake Batherson R 43 6 13 19 19 2019-20

 

Out of 30 picks, 3 players saw at least 1 NHL game. Out of 3 players, no one has played 100 games or more.

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No surprise, the majority of teams didn’t “hit” on players in this round. It would have been nice to grab two or three guys in this round, but most teams i’m sure felt that way too.

 

Washington did well with two goalies in this round. Calgary with Gaudreau.

[bob_sauve28]

Hudson Fasching! We got him for Brayden McNabb? Boo 

And to the point, 4th rounders do have a few make it, but just a few 

[DarthEbriate]

@Zamboni, once again thanks for doing the research and making this list. I know it’s about to get exponentially more time-consuming as for rounds 3, 2, and 1, but I hope you continue with the series.

It's super-rare to get a top skater (Gaudreau) and it's possible to get a good NHL goalie (Holtby, Grubauer, Shesterkin). But it would appear once per decade a team should be nailing a bottom-6 forward or bottom-4 defenseman who carves out a really solid NHL career (who can also bounce up the lineup for a few seasons). We got ours with Foligno, and hopefully again soon with Borgen or Bryson or Pekar.

There's a good list of players here at forward and defense who've made significant contributions to their team (including some playoff heroics) or project to continue to do so.
Forward: Weise, Nyquist, Cizikas, C. Smith, Foligno, Gaudreau, Donskoi, Pageau, Rieder, Anderson, Paquette, Athanasiou, Wood, Copp, Arvidsson
Defense: Brodie, Ekholm, Vatanen, Slavin, Toews

Of note, the Sabres trend with this pick is how often the 4th has been traded away. And look no further than this year where we packaged our 4th to move up to get JJ Peterka. And... as the WJCs are ongoing right now and Peterka looks great --- yes, make that trade everyday of the week.

[GASabresIUFAN]

On 12/31/2020 at 1:29 PM, bob_sauve28 said:

Hudson Fasching! We got him for Brayden McNabb? Boo 

And to the point, 4th rounders do have a few make it, but just a few 

One of the worst trades in Sabres history. 

[LGR4GM]

NHL teams should be trying to get as many 1, 2, 3 round picks as possible, after that meh. If you can trade back up for a guy, I think it is worth it.