Everything Kevyn Adams has done as Sabres GM

[Zamboni]

Since his GM start date of June 16th, 2020. This first post will hopefully stay current throughout his tenure. It may take a day or two or three depending when i get a chance to update it. So posters ... help me out. Who has he hired? Who has he fired? Who has he acquired? Who has he drafted? Who has he traded? Any and all things he's done since June 16th 2020. And the date of it too would be great! Thanks!

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Dec. 6th 2023 … Sabres acquire Eric Robinson from Columbus Blue Jackets for a conditional seventh round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft.

Oct. 11th 2023 … Sabres sign Owen Power. 7 years. $8.35 million AAV.

Oct. 9th 2023 … Sabres sign Rasmus Dahlin. 8 years. $11 million AAV.

Aug. 9th 2023 … Sabres hire Brad Dexter as a scout and Zach Redmond as a player development coach.

July 28th 2023 … Sabres sign Zach Benson. Three year. ELC.

July 17th 2023 … Sabres sign Linus Weissbach. One year, two way. $775,000.

July 14th 2023 … The Sabres sign Brett Murray One year, two way. $775,000.

July 14th 2023 … Sabres sign Anton Wahlberg. Three year ELC.

July 10th 2023 … Sabres and Rochester Americans have hired Nathan Paetsch and Vinny Prospal as asst. coaches for the Amerks.

July 4th 2023 … Sabres sign Kale Clague. One year, two way. $775K/475K

July 1st 2023 … Sabres sign Justin Richards. One year. Two way. $775,000.
July 1st 2023 … Sabres sign Dustin Tokarski. One year. Two way. $775K/$450K

July 1st 2023 … Sabres sign Connor Clifton. Three year. $3.33 M, AAV.

July 1st 2023 … Sabres sign Erik Johnson. One year. $3.25 M.

July 1st 2023 … Sabres sign Tyson Jost. One year. $2 M.

June 29th 2023 … Sabres draft Anton Wahlberg, Maxim Strbak, Gavin McCarthy, Ethan Miedema, Scott Ratzlaff, Sean Keohane, Norwin Panocha

June 28th 2023 … Sabres draft Zach Benson

June 27th 2023 … Sabres sign Jeremy Davies. One year, two-way. $775,000.

June 23rd 2023 … Sabres sign Joseph Cecconi. One year, two-way. $775,000.

June 20th 2023 … Sabres sign Lukas Rousek. Two years. AAV of $775,000.

June 20th 2023 … Sabres sign Zemgus Girgensons. One yr. $2.5 M.

May 27th 2023 … Sabres sign Ryan Johnson. Two year ELC.

May 25th 2023 … Sabres sign Vsevolod Komarov. Three year ELC.

May 24th 2023 … Sabres sign Kyle Okposo. One year. 2.5 M.

May 19th 2023 … Sabres sign Nikita Novikov to a three-year ELC.

May 2nd 2023 … Sabres sign Viktor Neuchev to a three-year ELC.

Mar. 17th 2023 … Sabres sign G Devon Levi. 3 year ELC. AAV. 1.57 M. 

Mar. 3rd 2023 … Sabres acquire D Austin Strand from Anaheim in exchange for D Chase Priskie.

Mar. 3rd 2023 … Sabres acquire F Jordan Greenway from Wild for a 2023 2nd round pick and 2024 5th round pick.

Mar. 3rd 2023 … Sabres acquire a 7th round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft from Nashville for Rasmus Asplund.

Mar. 2nd 2023 … Sabres trade Anders Bjork to Chicago for AHL Center Carson Gicewicz.

Mar. 2nd 2023 … Sabres acquire a 3rd round pick in 2023 NHL Draft from LA in exchange for the rights to goaltender Erik Portillo.

Feb. 27th 2023 … Sabres acquire D Riley Stillman from Vancouver in exchange for F Josh Bloom.

Feb. 7th 2023 … Sabres sign Dylan Cozens. Seven years / $49.7 million.  AAV 7.1 mil.

Dec. 15th 2022 … Sabres trade for defenseman Joseph Cecconi from Dallas in exchange for defenseman Oskari Laaksonen.

Nov. 19th 2022 … Sabres claim Tyson Jost off waivers

Oct. 12th 2022 … Sabres sign Mattias Samuelsson. Seven years. $30 million.

Oct. 12th 2022 … Sabres extend head coach Don Granato with a two year extension starting with the 24-25 season.

Sept. 21st 2022 … Kevyn Adams signs Kevyn Adams to a multi-year contract to stay on as Sabres GM.

August 31st 2022 … Sabres sign Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen. Two years. AAV of $837,500.

August 30th 2022 … Sabres Sign Tage Thompson. 7 years. 50 M. Starts 2023.

August 19th 2022 … Sabres sign Tyson Kozak to 3 year ELC.

August 10th 2022 … Sabres Sign Riley Sheahan to a One year, Two Way Deal $950,000.

July 18th 2022 … Sabres sign Brett Murray. One year. $750,000.

July 15th 2022 … Sabres Sign Lawrence Pilut. One year. Two way. $750,000.

July 15th 2022 … Sabres sign forwards Jiri Kulich, Noah Östlund and Matt Savoie to three year ELC’s.

July 13th 2022 … Sabres sign Chase Priske. One year. Two way. $750,000.

July 13th 2022 … Sabres sign Jeremy Davies. One year. Two way. $750,000.

July 13th 2022 … Sabres sign Kale Clague. One year. Two way. $750,000.

July 13th 2022 … Sabres Sign G Eric Comrie. Two years. AAV of 1.8 M.

July 13th 2022 … Sabres Sign Victor Olofsson. Two years. AAV of 4.75 M.

July 13th 2022 … Sabres Sign Ilya Lyubushkin. Two years. AAV of 2.75 M.

July 12th 2022 … Sabres sign G Malcolm Subban. One year. Two way. $850,000.

July 12th 2022 … Sabres sign Vinnie Hinostroza. One year.  $1.7 M.

July 10th 2022 … Sabres sign Jacob Bryson. Two years. AAV of $1.85 M.

July 8th 2022 … Sabres draft: Topias Leinonen, Viktor Neuchev, Mats Lindgren, Vsevolod Komarov, Jake Richard, Gustav Karlsson, Joel Ratkovic, and Linus Sjodin

July 8th 2022 … Sabres sign forward Brandon Biro to a two-year contract with an AAV of $762,500,

July 7th 2022 … Sabres draft: Matthew Savoie, Noah Östlund, and Juri Kulich

June 30th 2022 … Sabres Re-Sign Goalie Craig Anderson to 1 Yr., 1.5 M.

June 29th 2022 … Sabres sign forward Sean Malone. one year. $750,000.

June 13th 2022 … Sabres sign forward Filip Cederqvist to a two-year ELC

June 10th 2022 … Sabres acquire goalie Ben Bishop and a 2022 7th Round pick from Dallas Stars for Future Considerations

May 31st 2022 … Sabres sign forward Isak Rosen to a three-year ELC

May 21st 2022 … Sabres sign forward Olivier Nadeau to a three-year ELC 

May 11th 2022 … Sabres sign forward Aleksandr Kisakov to a three-year ELC  starting in 2022-23

April 18th 2022 … Sabres sign forward Josh Bloom to a three-year ELC starting in 2022-23.

April 8th 2022 … Sabres sign defenseman Owen Power to a three-year ELC.

March 20th 2022 … Sabres trade Robert Haag to FLA for 6th round pick in 2022 draft.

Dec. 2nd 2021 … Sabres acquire goalie Malcolm Subban for Future Considerations

Nov. 28th 2021 … Sabres sign Mark Jankowski. One year. $750,000.



Nov. 4th 2021 … Sabres acquire forwards Peyton Krebs and Alex Tuch, a top-10 protected 2022 first-round pick, and a 2023 second-round pick in exchange for forward Jack Eichel and a 2023 third-round pick.

Oct. 16th 2021 … Sabres claim D Christian Wolanin off waivers … Waived Nov 30th 2021.

Oct 6th 2021 … Sabres waive Aaron Dell and Jimmy Schuldt

Oct. 4th 2021 … Sabres claim off waivers Axel Jonsson-Fjallby

Sept. 22nd 2021 … Sabres sign Rasmus Dahlin. Three years. AAV of $6 mil.

Sept. 2nd 2021 … Sabres sign Casey Mittelstadt. Three years. AAV of $2.5 mil.

Sept. 2nd 2021 … Sabres sign Henri Jokiharju. Three years.  AAV of $2.5 mil.

Aug. 17th 2021 … Sabres hire Nathan Paetsch and Tim Kennedy as player development coaches

Aug. 13th 2021 … Sabres sign Casey Fitzgerald. Two years. $750,000 per

July 30th 2021 … Sabres sign Rasmus Asplund. Two year. $825,000 per

July 30th 2021 … Sabres sign Ryan MacInnis. One year. $750,000.

July 29th 2021 … Sabres sign John Hayden. One year. $750,000.

July 29th 2021 … Sabres sign D Ethan Prow. One year. $750,000.

July 28th 2021 … Sabres sign G Aaron Dell. Two way contract. One year. $750,000.

July 28th 2021 … Sabres sign G Craig Anderson. One year. $750,000.

July 28th 2021 … Sabres sign Sean Malone. One year. contract. $750,000.

July 28th 2021 … Sabres sign Brandon Davidson. One year. $750,000.

July 28th 2021 … Sabres sign Mark Pysyk. One year. $900,000

July 28th 2021 … Sabres sign D Jimmy Schuldt. One year. $750,000

July 28th 2021 … Sabres trade 5th round pick in 2022 for D William Butcher

July 28th 2021 … Sabres sign Vinnie Hinostroza. One year. 1.05M.

July 27th 2021 … Sabres re-signed Drake Caggiula. One year, $750,000.

July 24th 2021 ... Sabres trade Sam Reinhart to FLA for G Devon Levi, and 2022 first-round pick. If FLA pick in the top 10 in 2022, the pick moves to 2023.

July 24th 2021 ... Sabres draft Prokhor Poltapov,  Aleksandr Kisakov, Stiven Sardarian, Josh Bloom, Olivier Nadeau, Viljami Marjala, William von Barnekow-Lofberg, Nikita Novikov, Tyson Kozak

July 23rd 2021 ... Sabres draft Owen Power and Isak Rosen

July 24th 2021 …. Sabres trade Rasmus Ristolainen to PHI  for Robert Hagg, a 2021 first-round pick (No. 14 overall), and a 2023 second round pick

July 5th 2021 … Sabres hire Sam Ventura. VP of Hockey Strategy and Research. 

June 29th 2021 ... Sabres name Don Granato as head coach

June 11th 2021… Sabres sign JJ Peterka to a 3 year ELC

Apr. 20th 2021 ... 2019 6th Round Pick Lukas Rousek signs ELC with The Sabres

Apr. 14th 2021 … Sabres hire Jason Karmanos as associate GM.

Apr. 11th 2021 ...  Sabres Trade Taylor Hall and Curtis Lazar to Boston for a 2021 2nd round pick and Andres Bjork

Apr. 10th 2021 ... Sabres trade Brandon Montour to FLA for a 3rd round pick in 2021 draft.

Apr. 9th 2021 ... Sabres claim Drake Caggiula off waivers

Apr. 6th 2021 ... Sabres sign Linus Weissbach to a two year ELC. Starts 21-22 season

Mar. 26th 2021 ... Sabres trade Eric Staal to MTL for 3rd and 5th round picks in 2021 draft.

Mar. 20th 2021 ... Sabres trade Jonas Johansson to COL for a sixth round pick in the 2021 draft.

Mar. 19th 2021 ... Sabres sign goaltender Michael Houser. One year. $700,000.

Mar. 17th 2021 ... Head coach Ralph Krueger relieved of his duties.

Jan. 8th 2021 ... Sabres sign Riley Sheahan. One year. $700,000.

Dec. 23rd 2020 ... Sabres sign Casey Mittelstadt. One year. $874,000.

Nov. 16th 2020 ... Sabres sign Jack Quinn to his ELC.

Nov. 4th 2020 ... Sabres sign goaltender Dustin Tokarski. Two years. $725,000 per.

Oct. 29th 2020 ... Sabres sign Victor Olofsson. Two years. $3.05 million per.

Oct. 25th 2020 ... Sabres sign Linus Ullmark. One year. $2.6 million.

Oct. 25th 2020 ... Sabres sign Sam Reinhart. One year. $5.2 million

Oct. 22nd 2020 ... Sabres sign Casey Nelson. One year. $700,000.

Oct. 19th 2020 ... Sabres sign C/RW Steven Fogarty. One year. $700,000.

Oct. 11th 2020 ... Sabres sign Taylor Hall. One year. $8 million.

Oct. 10th 2020 ... Sabres sign Brandon Montour. One year. $3.85 million.

Oct. 10th 2020 ... Sabres sign Cody Eakin. Two years. $2.25 million per.

Oct. 9th 2020 ... Sabres sign Brandon Davidson. One year. $700,000.

Oct. 9th 2020 ... Sabres sign Matt Irwin. One year. $700,000.

Oct. 9th 2020 ... Sabres sign Tobias Rieder. One year. $700,000.

Oct. 8th 2020 ... Sabres sign Zemgus Girgensons. Three years. $2.2 million per.

Oct. 7th 2020 ... Sabres draft John Jason Peterka, Matteo Constantini, Albert Lyckasen, Jakub Konecny

Oct. 7th 2020 ... Sabres sign Jonas Johansson. to a one year. $700,000.

Oct. 6th 2020 ... Sabres draft Jack Quinn.

Oct. 5th 2020 ... Sabres sign Tage Thompson. Three years. $1.4 million per.

Oct. 2nd 2020 ... Sabres sign Andrew Oglevie. Two years, two-way. $750,000 per.

Sept. 24th 2020 ... Sabres sign Curtis Lazar. Two years. $800,000 per.

Sept.16th 2020 ... Sabres Acquire Center Eric Staal from Wild for Marcus Johansson.

August 14th 2020 ... Seth Appert Hired as Amerks HC/Adam Mair and Mike Weber Named Asst Coaches

July 31st 2020 ... Sabres sign Brett Murray to ELC. Two year deal.

June 17th 2020 ... bloodletting day. Too many to list.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Zamboni

[Eleven]

Thanks @SDS

[Zamboni]

Thank you!

[SDS]

Were there any other comments that needed to be moved along?

[Zamboni]

Not really In my opinion.  But others may feel differently. Thanks again!

[SwampD]

Glad it's back. It was a cool idea.

[Brawndo]

In this Interview Terry Pegula mentions that Brandon Beane has sat across from His Desk and done everything but threaten Terry’s Life when it comes to arguing about players.  Pegula also mentioned He only argues when he thinks he knows something. 
 

This portion starts at the 22:50. 
 

My question is would Kevyn Adams, who has known the Pegulas much longer, feel comfortable or more importantly would he argue the merits for taking a player or not taking a player even if Pegula was insistent on doing so?  

Putting the right leadership in place for the Bills has made all the difference in the world, this team has undergone light years in improvement in three seasons and that appears to be the result of allowing management to do their jobs. 
 

 

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

27 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

In this Interview Terry Pegula mentions that Brandon Beane has sat across from His Desk and done everything but threaten Terry’s Life when it comes to arguing about players.  Pegula also mentioned He only argues when he thinks he knows something. 
 

This portion starts at the 22:50. 
 

My question is would Kevyn Adams, who has known the Pegulas much longer, feel comfortable or more importantly would he argue the merits for taking a player or not taking a player even if Pegula was insistent on doing so?  

Putting the right leadership in place for the Bills has made all the difference in the world, this team has undergone light years in improvement in three seasons and that appears to be the result of allowing management to do their jobs. 
 

 

 

The right leadership would be great, but the NFL GM’s aren’t saddled with guaranteed contracts.  They are also drafting guys with 3 years of added maturity compared to NHL GM’s is a huge plus.  Honestly, I think NFL GM’s have an easier job, despite the failures in Buffalo for 25 years.  

I honestly don’t know yet if KA is the right guy or if RK is the right coach.  RK improved the D system, but was a failure last year with the special teams.  Overall KA did a solid job in his 1st off-season but he made some mistakes.  He added Staal and Hall for a year and that’s great, but aren’t long-term solutions.  He also failed to address the goaltending and overpaid to keep Tage and Girgensons.  

Edited December 26, 2020 by GASabresIUFAN

[Curt]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

The right leadership would be great, but the NFL GM’s aren’t saddled with guaranteed contracts.  They are also drafting guys with 3 years of added maturity compared to NHL GM’s is a huge plus.  Honestly, I think NFL GM’s have an easier job, despite the failures in Buffalo for 25 years.  

I honestly don’t know yet if KA is the right guy or if RK is the right coach.  RK improved the D system, but was a failure last year with the special teams.  Overall KA did a solid job in his 1st off-season but he made some mistakes.  He added Staal and Hall for a year and that’s great, but aren’t long-term solutions.  He also failed to address the goaltending and overpaid to keep Tage and Girgensons.  

Just a note on this.  I honestly don’t believe that the Thompson contract is an overpay.  If it was a 1 year deal, then yes, but the value of it is that it’s 3 years.  Thompson would not have signed a 3year deal for the minimum.  Even if he shows that he is a good player this season, he now won’t be able to get a raise until the 2023-24 season.

Whether or not it’s a good contract will be born out by Tage’s play.  The contract isn’t inherently a bad contract.  It is a bet on Tage though.

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 minutes ago, Curt said:

Just a note on this.  I honestly don’t believe that the Thompson contract is an overpay.  If it was a 1 year deal, then yes, but the value of it is that it’s 3 years.  Thompson would not have signed a 3year deal for the minimum.  Even if he shows that he is a good player this season, he now won’t be able to get a raise until the 2023-24 season.

Whether or not it’s a good contract will be born out by Tage’s play.  The contract isn’t inherently a bad contract.  It is a bet on Tage though.

But there is also a good chance he gets beaten out by other guys like Mitts or Routsalainen or Redier etc for a job and then your paying 1.4 for a guy for 3 years that can’t make your roster.

Edited December 26, 2020 by GASabresIUFAN

[Curt]

2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

But there is also a good chance he gets beaten out by other guys like Mitts or Routsalainen or Redier etc for a job and then your paying 1.4 for a guy for 3 years that can’t make your roster.

Alternative future:  But there is also a good chance that he does make the team and is able to contribute as a middle 6 winger scoring 15+ goals, in which case you are getting him for 3 years at a bargain of 1.4.

Like I said, whether it’s a good contract will be born out by Tage’s play.  It’s not inherently a bad contract.  Obviously, Adams thinks that your scenario is not likely, we’ll see if he is right.

[Weave]

26 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

But there is also a good chance he gets beaten out by other guys like Mitts or Routsalainen or Redier etc for a job and then your paying 1.4 for a guy for 3 years that can’t make your roster.

The Thompson contract vs. the Mittlestadt contract should be a very good indication of where they are ranked within the organization.  IMO there is very, very little risk that Thompson gets beat out for a roster spot by Casey.  So little that it probably isn't worth the energy of this post.  Reider is a real possiblity tho and  Roots is an unknown.

[LGR4GM]

Rusto is interesting because he's played real hockey in the last 10 months. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

5 hours ago, Weave said:

The Thompson contract vs. the Mittlestadt contract should be a very good indication of where they are ranked within the organization.  IMO there is very, very little risk that Thompson gets beat out for a roster spot by Casey.  So little that it probably isn't worth the energy of this post.  Reider is a real possiblity tho and  Roots is an unknown.

Yes and no.  Mitts had no leverage and therefore had to accept the QO.  Thompson is a year older and KA gave him a deal that covered all his remaining RFA years.  Again a stupid contract for an unproven player that might work out if he becomes and NHL regular, but was completely unnecessary.

Also Mitts beats him out in camp, management will have no problem playing Mitts over him regardless of their relative status right now.

Edited December 27, 2020 by GASabresIUFAN

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Also Mitts beats him out in camp, management will have no problem playing Mitts over him regardless of their relative status right now.

That was a different management group and a head coach who may have had to keep Mitts because jbott. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by LGR4GM

[GASabresIUFAN]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

That was a different management group and a head coach who may have had to keep Mitts because jbott. 

What does Jbot have to do with this coming camp?  KA and RK will put the best team on the ice.  If Mitts is better in camp then Thompson, he’ll make the team.  

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

What does Jbot have to do with this coming camp?  KA and RK will put the best team on the ice.  If Mitts is better in camp then Thompson, he’ll make the team.  

Your sentence structure was unclear. That said, Mitts won't beat him out and if it's close, Mitts goes down because no waivers. 

I think it's clear this management group believes more in Tage.

[Weave]

10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Yes and no.  Mitts had no leverage and therefore had to accept the QO.  Thompson is a year older and KA gave him a deal that covered all his remaining RFA years.  Again a stupid contract for an unproven player that might work out if he becomes and NHL regular, but was completely unnecessary.

Also Mitts beats him out in camp, management will have no problem playing Mitts over him regardless of their relative status right now.

Lol you are the last holdout.  It’s pretty apparent that the team values Thompson more, thus the negotiating.

You are correct that Mitts will need to beat him out in camp.  The consensus around the team sure appears to be that this would be quite unexpected.

[GASabresIUFAN]

6 minutes ago, Weave said:

Lol you are the last holdout.  It’s pretty apparent that the team values Thompson more, thus the negotiating.

You are correct that Mitts will need to beat him out in camp.  The consensus around the team sure appears to be that this would be quite unexpected.

I’m not a holdout, it’s just a fact.  Mitts is more talented then Thompson and if he is better in camp he'll win the job.  I didn’t say he will.  In fact in the Mitts thread, I think it’s more likely that Mitts earns his job mid-season do to injury or someone else’s poor play.  

[Brawndo]

7 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

The right leadership would be great, but the NFL GM’s aren’t saddled with guaranteed contracts.  They are also drafting guys with 3 years of added maturity compared to NHL GM’s is a huge plus.  Honestly, I think NFL GM’s have an easier job, despite the failures in Buffalo for 25 years.  

I honestly don’t know yet if KA is the right guy or if RK is the right coach.  RK improved the D system, but was a failure last year with the special teams.  Overall KA did a solid job in his 1st off-season but he made some mistakes.  He added Staal and Hall for a year and that’s great, but aren’t long-term solutions.  He also failed to address the goaltending and overpaid to keep Tage and Girgensons.  

Absolutely NFL GMs have an easier job compared to their NHL Counterparts. That being said Beane has the confidence in himself to argue with Pegula and to tell him no on personnel decisions, which has lead the Football Department being in charge, resulting in better decision making for the Bills. 
 

On the other hand, Terry fancies himself a hockey guy and there is concern in some circles that Adams is the perfect yes man to do His Bidding. Pegula has had a hand in Leino and Ernhoff signings, Skinner’s and Eichel’s Deals (The Latter being a great move) and most recently the Zemgus Extension. He appears to override The Hockey Department in many instances often with detrimental consequences.  Adams has known the Pegulas much longer and should feel comfortable telling him no when it comes to hockey decisions.

 

Tom Dundon was featured in an article by The Athletic where he was described as the most meddlesome owner in the NHL. Yet he is  smart enough to listen to Hockey Department and let them make decisions. 

 

In terms of Adams, Staal was always going to be a stop gap for a year while Cozens developed. Hall is here primarily because of Krueger and the Sabres willingness to pay 8 million for one year. If their is chemistry between Hall and Eichel maybe a long term deal isn’t out of the question. 

I will reserve judgment of the goalie situation, until the season starts. As maybe the Stephan Trade was a domino for Arizona moving a goalie.

As Tage has to clear waivers, if he cannot make the Sabres there is a chance that a team such as Detroit, Ottawa or LA might take a chance and claim him as he does have size and talent. 
 

If Krueger runs with Hall-Eichel-Reinhart with a Risto-Montour Pairing that would solidify what type of coach he is.

[Weave]

36 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I’m not a holdout, it’s just a fact.  Mitts is more talented then Thompson and if he is better in camp he'll win the job.  I didn’t say he will.  In fact in the Mitts thread, I think it’s more likely that Mitts earns his job mid-season do to injury or someone else’s poor play.  

No, its not a fact.  I no longer think Mitts is more talented.  He has better hands than Thompson.  What other NHL skill does Mitts demonstrably show better than Thompson? Thompson had shown more in every other way.  Mitts is not more talented.

Mitts WAS a better prospect.  Past tense.

Edited December 27, 2020 by Weave

[dudacek]

In the spring in 2019, when Tage was sent down, Mitts was ahead of Tage in the view of pretty much everyone here.

Since then, Tage has played 24 AHL games, enough for Weave to say Tage has clearly improved

And Casey has played 35 AHL games, nowhere near enough for LGR say Casey could have possibly improved.

Really interesting in seeing what each brings this year.

[GASabresIUFAN]

19 minutes ago, Weave said:

No, its not a fact.  I no longer think Mitts is more talented.  He has better hands than Thompson.  What other NHL skill does Mitts demonstrably show better than Thompson? Thompson had shown more in every other way.  Mitts is not more talented.

Mitts WAS a better prospect.  Past tense.

What exactly has Thompson done in the NHL to show he is more talented?  Mitts has better hands and wheels.

Thompson (NHL) 66 7 5 12 pts    .11 g/gp  .18 p/gp 

Mittelstadt (NHL) 114 17 22 39 pts   .15 g/gp   .34 p/gp

Thompson (AHL) 54 20 19 39 pts    .37 g/gp  .72 p/gp

Mittelstadt (AHL) 36 9 16 25 pts   .25 g/gp  .69 p/gp

Mitts has out-performed Thompson at the NHL level and basically equaled Thompson's AHL numbers except goal scoring, which isn't a surprise given Thompson is supposed to be a goal scorer.  Thompson main attribute is size and an extra year of experience.    This is just a case of Mitts being this board's new whipping boy because he lost his confidence mid-season last year and remains the whipping boy despite being sent down and playing well.

 

Edited December 27, 2020 by GASabresIUFAN

[SwampD]

5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

What exactly has Thompson done in the NHL to show he is more talented?  Mitts has better hands and wheels.

Thompson (NHL) 66 7 5 12 pts    .11 g/gp  .18 p/gp 

Mittelstadt (NHL) 114 17 22 39 pts   .15 g/gp   .34 p/gp

Thompson (AHL) 54 20 19 39 pts    .37 g/gp  .72 p/gp

Mittelstadt (AHL) 36 9 16 25 pts   .25 g/gp  .69 p/gp

Mitts has out-performed Thompson at the NHL level and basically equaled Thompson's AHL numbers except goal scoring, which isn't a surprise given Thompson is supposed to be a goal scorer.  Thompson main attribute is size.  

 

Who gives a sh!t what either has done to this point in the NHL? A 22 and 23 YO shouldn't be expected to have done anything in the NHL unless it's with a completely dysfunctional franchise.

They are both poised to to be completely useful NHL players.

[Weave]

6 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

What exactly has Thompson done in the NHL to show he is more talented?  Mitts has better hands and wheels.

You're kidding, right?