GASabresIUFAN Posted July 16, 2021 Report Posted July 16, 2021 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Here's a bad mock draft for you to look at. I can’t speak beyond the first two picks but Power isn’t a surprise and Samu at 33 is not a left field choice Quote
Curt Posted July 16, 2021 Report Posted July 16, 2021 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: This is a really good read. Who is this guy? 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Is Chris Peters trying to get a job or something? He seems like he has been absolutely everywhere. Quote
Flashsabre Posted July 16, 2021 Report Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, WildCard said: I was just about to post this. Not Good. Quote
Curt Posted July 16, 2021 Report Posted July 16, 2021 7 hours ago, LGR4GM said: This is a really good read. Coming back to this again. I love this guy’s format! This is something that is really missing from the publicly available stuff on hockey prospects. The way that aspects are discussed specifically and in detail promotes actual discussion. It’s something that Scouch also does well, though he breaks up the skills in a different way. Quote
JohnC Posted July 17, 2021 Report Posted July 17, 2021 Attached is a mock draft taken from the NHL.com site. Within the link is a 7 min interview with Sam Contentino talking about the prospects. https://www.nhl.com/news/mock-2021-nhl-draft-luke-hughes-new-jersey-devils-los-angeles-kings/c-325675970?tid=277764372 Quote
Brawndo Posted July 18, 2021 Author Report Posted July 18, 2021 The Athletic polled seven scouts about who they thought should go Number One in the Draft. Three said Power, Two said Beniers, one said Eklund, the other did not feel comfortable signing based on lack of live viewings making a determination. http://NHL Scouts Poll 2021: Is Owen Power the clear-cut No. 1? Who is most underrated? Quote
Archie Lee Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 It's really an unusual year. We have Sabres fans, credibly I think, stating with conviction that Eklund should be our pick at #1. Yet the mock draft that the two NHL writers (Kimelman and Morreale) published yesterday has Eklund going 5th or 9th. As a fan who loves the draft but acknowledges he gets little opportunity to see any of these players outside of a view highlight videos, it is hard to process. In a way it would be more fun (not better, but more enjoyable) if we picked 6th or 7th this year as we could watch and see who falls to us. Of course, that 1st pick of round 2 may prove valuable as a lot of teams, including us, should have a player still available after round 1 who they would have picked in the high teens or low 20's. Quote
Digger Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Brawndo said: The Athletic polled seven scouts about who they thought should go Number One in the Draft. Three said Power, Two said Beniers, one said Eklund, the other did not feel comfortable signing based on lack of live viewings making a determination. http://NHL Scouts Poll 2021: Is Owen Power the clear-cut No. 1? Who is most underrated? Hopefully the "other scout" doesn't work for the Sabres. Maybe one of our former scouts. 😏 Quote
dudacek Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Archie Lee said: It's really an unusual year. We have Sabres fans, credibly I think, stating with conviction that Eklund should be our pick at #1. Yet the mock draft that the two NHL writers (Kimelman and Morreale) published yesterday has Eklund going 5th or 9th. As a fan who loves the draft but acknowledges he gets little opportunity to see any of these players outside of a view highlight videos, it is hard to process. In a way it would be more fun (not better, but more enjoyable) if we picked 6th or 7th this year as we could watch and see who falls to us. Of course, that 1st pick of round 2 may prove valuable as a lot of teams, including us, should have a player still available after round 1 who they would have picked in the high teens or low 20's. Be ready for the huge backlash Friday when the Sabres don’t take Power. Part will be from Sabres fans, but most of it will be from outside fans who are being conditioned right now by the talking heads to think Power is the guy. I expect a lot of “LOL, the Sabres gonna Sabre” Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think Eklund is the best player available and I have a good feeling he’s ours. Quote
rakish Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) The numbers in parens are where others rank the player, it's helpful to me for ordering. The rakish: number is the 17th year raw valuation using my app. Defensemen didn't get the raw number because it's on a different scale. Goaltending is a lark, mostly to test some ideas. Dylan Guenther (2-12) rakish:1320 (12 games) Owen Power Matt Beniers (1-18) rakish:1012 William Eklund (2-10) rakish:1125 Cole Sillinger (10-20) rakish:747 Mason McTavish Brandt Clarke Simon Edvinsson (2-11) D Logan Stankoven (13-44) rakish:732 Sebastian Cossa (14-32) G (Only select one goaltender) Anton Olsson (32-98) - D Olen Zellweger (31-88) D Connor Roulette (39-95) rakish:675 Brett Harrison (29-84) rakish:694 (not many games) Samu Salminen (31-98) rakish:652 Ville Koivunen -- (30-91) rakish:580 Riley Kidney -- (70-92) rakish:600 Zachary L'Heureux (11-35) rakish:514 Xavier Bourgault (15-36) rakish:552 William Stromgren (21-92) rakish:557,543 Jack O'Brien (84-215) rakish:544 Fyodor Svechkov (9-37) rakish:534 Colton Dach -- (50-96) rakish:496 Victor Stjernborg -- (43-71) rakish:475 Niko Huuhtanen (117-157) heavy rakish:328 Simon Knak -- overager (86 NA css) Isaac Belliveau (62-239) D William Trudeau (83-200) D Jack Bar (37-87) Mikey Milne -- (162 NA css) rakish:512 Eric Alarie -- (51 NA css) rakish:474 Olivier Nadeau (74-101) rakish:461 Rhett Rhinehart - overager Benjamin Gaudreau (Only select one goaltender) Thomas Milic (only select one goaltender) Oliver Satny (Only select one goaltender) Jeremi Tammela -- (112 EU css) tiny rakish:406 Matic Török Bogdan Krokhalyov Viktor Hurtig -- overager (51 EU css) huge Hunter McKown - overager Kevin Pasche Nikolas Hurtubise Sebastian Trygg Edited July 18, 2021 by rakish The last 3 picks I use my picks no matter, it doesn't matter if I have 2 or 3 goaltenders already Quote
Taro T Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, rakish said: The numbers in parens are where others rank the player, it's helpful to me for ordering. The rakish: number is the 17th year raw valuation using my app. Defensemen didn't get the raw number because it's on a different scale. Goaltending is a lark, mostly to test some ideas. Dylan Guenther (2-12) rakish:1320 (12 games) Owen Power Matt Beniers (1-18) rakish:1012 William Eklund (2-10) rakish:1125 Cole Sillinger (10-20) rakish:747 Mason McTavish Brandt Clarke Simon Edvinsson (2-11) D Logan Stankoven (13-44) rakish:732 Sebastian Cossa (14-32) G (Only select one goaltender) Anton Olsson (32-98) - D Olen Zellweger (31-88) D Connor Roulette (39-95) rakish:675 Brett Harrison (29-84) rakish:694 (not many games) Samu Salminen (31-98) rakish:652 Ville Koivunen -- (30-91) rakish:580 Riley Kidney -- (70-92) rakish:600 Zachary L'Heureux (11-35) rakish:514 Xavier Bourgault (15-36) rakish:552 William Stromgren (21-92) rakish:557,543 Jack O'Brien (84-215) rakish:544 Fyodor Svechkov (9-37) rakish:534 Colton Dach -- (50-96) rakish:496 Victor Stjernborg -- (43-71) rakish:475 Niko Huuhtanen (117-157) heavy rakish:328 Simon Knak -- overager (86 NA css) Isaac Belliveau (62-239) D William Trudeau (83-200) D Jack Bar (37-87) Mikey Milne -- (162 NA css) rakish:512 Eric Alarie -- (51 NA css) rakish:474 Olivier Nadeau (74-101) rakish:461 Rhett Rhinehart - overager Benjamin Gaudreau (Only select one goaltender) Thomas Milic (only select one goaltender) Oliver Satny (Only select one goaltender) Jeremi Tammela -- (112 EU css) tiny rakish:406 Matic Török Bogdan Krokhalyov Viktor Hurtig -- overager (51 EU css) huge Hunter McKown - overager Kevin Pasche Nikolas Hurtubise Sebastian Trygg Are you "eye testing" to alter your ranks when your model's raw numbers are close? (I.e. why is Beniers ahead of Eklund and L'Heureux ahead of the next 4 guys?) Quote
rakish Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Just now, Taro T said: Are you "eye testing" to alter your ranks when your model's raw numbers are close? (I.e. why is Beniers ahead of Eklund and L'Heureux ahead of the next 4 guys?) One issue is you're not seeing age 16, which would complicate things for the viewer. The second is that I rely on @pi2000 and @LGR4GM to tell me whether Power can play defense, or he can't. Whether you can plan on Beniers covering the other teams best players or not. I could spend hundreds of hours watching tape trying to decide on Power, but Pi and Liger tell me. The third, if I put L'Heureux behind O'Brien, there is zero chance of getting L'Heureux. My order, it's possible I get both. There are some picks that can't happen, like Fyodor Svechkov, but that's pure virtue signalling. If I was more organized, I had planned on having the MODO player I looked at on my board for @MODO Hockey, and the Halifax player for NS, and the Penn St player for the guy Drane used to go on about in the Sabres hierarchy, starts with a B. 2 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Taro T said: Are you "eye testing" to alter your ranks when your model's raw numbers are close? (I.e. why is Beniers ahead of Eklund and L'Heureux ahead of the next 4 guys?) That's my boy 😎 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, rakish said: The numbers in parens are where others rank the player, it's helpful to me for ordering. The rakish: number is the 17th year raw valuation using my app. Defensemen didn't get the raw number because it's on a different scale. Goaltending is a lark, mostly to test some ideas. Dylan Guenther (2-12) rakish:1320 (12 games) Owen Power Matt Beniers (1-18) rakish:1012 William Eklund (2-10) rakish:1125 Cole Sillinger (10-20) rakish:747 Mason McTavish Brandt Clarke Simon Edvinsson (2-11) D Logan Stankoven (13-44) rakish:732 Sebastian Cossa (14-32) G (Only select one goaltender) Anton Olsson (32-98) - D Olen Zellweger (31-88) D Connor Roulette (39-95) rakish:675 Brett Harrison (29-84) rakish:694 (not many games) Samu Salminen (31-98) rakish:652 Ville Koivunen -- (30-91) rakish:580 Riley Kidney -- (70-92) rakish:600 Zachary L'Heureux (11-35) rakish:514 Xavier Bourgault (15-36) rakish:552 William Stromgren (21-92) rakish:557,543 Jack O'Brien (84-215) rakish:544 Fyodor Svechkov (9-37) rakish:534 Colton Dach -- (50-96) rakish:496 Victor Stjernborg -- (43-71) rakish:475 Niko Huuhtanen (117-157) heavy rakish:328 Simon Knak -- overager (86 NA css) Isaac Belliveau (62-239) D William Trudeau (83-200) D Jack Bar (37-87) Mikey Milne -- (162 NA css) rakish:512 Eric Alarie -- (51 NA css) rakish:474 Olivier Nadeau (74-101) rakish:461 Rhett Rhinehart - overager Benjamin Gaudreau (Only select one goaltender) Thomas Milic (only select one goaltender) Oliver Satny (Only select one goaltender) Jeremi Tammela -- (112 EU css) tiny rakish:406 Matic Török Bogdan Krokhalyov Viktor Hurtig -- overager (51 EU css) huge Hunter McKown - overager Kevin Pasche Nikolas Hurtubise Sebastian Trygg Quote
Brawndo Posted July 18, 2021 Author Report Posted July 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: 1 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Brawndo said: She really put together a great analysis and really seems to know her stuff. If I am Adams and his staff I really have a difficult decision to make. Shout out to @chloewoj don't be a stranger. 2 Quote
French Collection Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Nice job Chloe, keep up the good work. 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Brawndo said: See, Chloe gets it. 1 Quote
pi2000 Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 7 hours ago, dudacek said: Be ready for the huge backlash Friday when the Sabres don’t take Power. Part will be from Sabres fans, but most of it will be from outside fans who are being conditioned right now by the talking heads to think Power is the guy. I expect a lot of “LOL, the Sabres gonna Sabre” Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I think Eklund is the best player available and I have a good feeling he’s ours. Nah. It's Power. Quote
pi2000 Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 6 hours ago, rakish said: One issue is you're not seeing age 16, which would complicate things for the viewer. The second is that I rely on @pi2000 and @LGR4GM to tell me whether Power can play defense, or he can't. Whether you can plan on Beniers covering the other teams best players or not. I could spend hundreds of hours watching tape trying to decide on Power, but Pi and Liger tell me. The third, if I put L'Heureux behind O'Brien, there is zero chance of getting L'Heureux. My order, it's possible I get both. There are some picks that can't happen, like Fyodor Svechkov, but that's pure virtue signalling. If I was more organized, I had planned on having the MODO player I looked at on my board for @MODO Hockey, and the Halifax player for NS, and the Penn St player for the guy Drane used to go on about in the Sabres hierarchy, starts with a B. He needs to work on his defensive game, as does any 18yo prospect. That said, the growth in his game throughout the season and at the World's is why I would take him #1. Additionally, his size and reach allow him to overcome positional deficiencies at his age. Quote
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