Weave Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 1 hour ago, Night Train said: There should be tons of voting machines everywhere. Phone voting. Paper ballots should be extinct. Might as well count votes with an abacus if you wish to keep going backwards. This country should be striving to make voting as accessible as possible, not making it more difficult. There is no good reason in 2024 that we can’t vote via phone. We have sufficient ID checking and security to manage financial investments, medical records, and secure business work via phone and we won’t even consider implementing voting by phone. Yes, I agree. It is 100% political.
Weave Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 1 hour ago, Idemo Buffalo said: 🤣 Works pretty well in advanced countries with the ability to count. 209 of the 227 countries use paper ballots and shockingly none of them are counting ballots days after voting and have people whining about how hard it is to vote. Its funny how the “other countries do it this way” thing changes from subject to subject. How do other countries handle health care? ‘Murica! How do other counties use obsolete voting systems? We should follow them! 🤦♂️ 1
Idemo Buffalo Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 1 minute ago, Weave said: Its funny how the “other countries do it this way” thing changes from subject to subject. How do other countries handle health care? ‘Murica! How do other counties use obsolete voting systems? We should follow them! 🤦♂️ Obsolete voting systems. 🤣 We should follow them because their system works. Their health care also works better than US healthcare. Not arguing with you there. They don't have their insurance companies writing the "Affordable Care Act" and getting puppet politicians selling it for them.
Weave Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 1 minute ago, Idemo Buffalo said: Obsolete voting systems. 🤣 We should follow them because their system works. Their health care also works better than US healthcare. Not arguing with you there. They don't have their insurance companies writing the "Affordable Care Act" and getting puppet politicians selling it for them. How do you make paper voting more accessible? Are you willing to spend more govt dollars for more polling places, more counters, more staff? Paper voting is inefficient and results in long waits and requires the elderly and people without transportation to travel to vote. Yes, 100% obsolete when we have the technology to put voting right in everyones living room. Unless your goal is to keep voting inconvenient, paper is obsolete.
Idemo Buffalo Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 3 minutes ago, Weave said: How do you make paper voting more accessible? Are you willing to spend more govt dollars for more polling places, more counters, more staff? Paper voting is inefficient and results in long waits and requires the elderly and people without transportation to travel to vote. Yes, 100% obsolete when we have the technology to put voting right in everyones living room. Unless your goal is to keep voting inconvenient, paper is obsolete. Yep. I am for making Sat/Sun/Mon/Tues the days you can vote, and for Election Day being a National Holiday. Voting is some of these states is corrupt 3rd world levels.
Weave Posted October 31 Report Posted October 31 1 minute ago, Idemo Buffalo said: Yep. I am for making Sat/Sun/Mon/Tues the days you can vote, and for Election Day being a National Holiday. Voting is some of these states is corrupt 3rd world levels. That gives more time. How does it make it more accessible to the millions without private transportation? Or the people with employment situations that won’t allow them the time off. And your plan costs more. Why spend more when an efficient solution is a web developer away? Evolve or die.
SABRES 0311 Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 2 hours ago, Weave said: That gives more time. How does it make it more accessible to the millions without private transportation? Or the people with employment situations that won’t allow them the time off. And your plan costs more. Why spend more when an efficient solution is a web developer away? Evolve or die. It’s going to cost some money for the cybersecurity infrastructure. The network monitoring would probably be extensive for software and manpower. Not saying it isn’t doable but the network supporting voting would probably be a target for nefarious foreign and domestic groups. 1
Idemo Buffalo Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, Weave said: That gives more time. How does it make it more accessible to the millions without private transportation? Or the people with employment situations that won’t allow them the time off. And your plan costs more. Why spend more when an efficient solution is a web developer away? Evolve or die. How do these millions without private transportation normally get around? Once a year, or every two years, or every 4 years they can use public transportation. I am all for voting online, BUT it would have to be a felony with serious jailtime if you vote for someone else that is on a voter roll. And the voter rolls need to be cleaned up every year, which we know will never happen in certain cities in America. Edited November 1 by Idemo Buffalo
Weave Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 9 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: It’s going to cost some money for the cybersecurity infrastructure. The network monitoring would probably be extensive for software and manpower. Not saying it isn’t doable but the network supporting voting would probably be a target for nefarious foreign and domestic groups. I agree. But it is a fraction of the costs to have enough polling places open to service every enrolled voter. If we were serious about having a truly representative vote, we would be making it easier to vote. 8 hours ago, Idemo Buffalo said: How do these millions without private transportation normally get around? Once a year, or every two years, or every 4 years they can use public transportation. I am all for voting online, BUT it would have to be a felony with serious jailtime if you vote for someone else that is on a voter roll. And the voter rolls need to be cleaned up every year, which we know will never happen in certain cities in America. The whole voter role thing is so overblown. There is no evidence of significant fraud. Its an issue because some folks want it to be an issue.
LTS Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 13 hours ago, Idemo Buffalo said: How do these millions without private transportation normally get around? Once a year, or every two years, or every 4 years they can use public transportation. I am all for voting online, BUT it would have to be a felony with serious jailtime if you vote for someone else that is on a voter roll. And the voter rolls need to be cleaned up every year, which we know will never happen in certain cities in America. Public transportation does not serve 100% of the country. The internet is also not available to 100% of the country. 100% of the country does not have a cell phone. Having spent considerable time working for an Internet service provider who focuses on rural America there continue to be many many places that are unserved or underserved. I'm 100% for NOT voting online. I have received no less than 5 security breach notifications this year. Cybersecurity is woefully behind and the levels that would need to be implemented to secure any online voting process would be immense. The geographical spread of in person voting works very well at limiting the ability to influence election outcomes. A centralized voting system would likely become the top targeted opportunity for state backed hacking we've ever seen. Who is coding the online system? Who's overseeing the people doing the coding? It's not such a stretch to see in 20-25 years a foreign program designed to raise brilliant coders with the sole purpose of being inserted into the development and maintenance of an online voting system in order to provide backdoors that are nearly impossible to detect. This happens all the time today. Many of the "security" flaws that are found in software were not put there accidentally. They were programmed into the code in a highly intelligent way to make detection difficult. When it's finally found it's not like a company is going to call out that it was anything more than a programming error or oversight. That would be disastrous. Hacking in person voting would take such a monumental effort that it would be detected. Hacking a web system is a walk in the park by comparison. 1
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