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  On 9/24/2020 at 4:59 PM, LGR4GM said:

They aren't and you are only saying that because you want Buffalo to trade the pick. 

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You've got it backwards.  I want them to trade the pick because these I think these guys are JAGs.  If I thought they were worthwhile, I wouldn't want them to trade the pick.

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  On 9/24/2020 at 4:59 PM, LGR4GM said:

They aren't and you are only saying that because you want Buffalo to trade the pick. 

 

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If Tampa couldn't work out the finances to keep Cirelli would you trade our first pick for him if a trade proposal was offered? I also want to deal the pick for an established second line player who is in his mid 20s. However, I believe that if we keep the pick we will come away with a good player who will be ready in two years or so.  

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  On 9/24/2020 at 4:55 PM, Brawndo said:

I’d throw a defensive prospect and 8 to Anaheim for 6 if Rossi is still on the board 

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Don't a few in the know have us passing on Rossi at 8? For Holtz or whatever? Hard to see them moving up for him IF those rumours prove true.. I guess they aren't right very often, though. Hopefully. 

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What is the draft cut off for birthdays? Rossi is Sept 23? He must have just barely missed the 2019 draft. 

  On 9/25/2020 at 12:07 AM, Flashsabre said:

Who is saying that?  Adams says he loves hockey sense, character and skill.  Rossi has all of them in spades.

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Good. I dunno, Wheeler apparently had us targeting Holtz or one of the two D, and I think someone else Brawndo mentioned had Rossi going to the Wild at 9, but that could have been Wheeler. 

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  On 9/25/2020 at 12:05 AM, Thorny said:

Don't a few in the know have us passing on Rossi at 8? For Holtz are whatever? Hard to see them moving up for him.. I guess they aren't right very often, though. Hopefully. 

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If they took Holtz over Rossi, I could immediately dismiss the entire scouting staff for being piss poor at their jobs. 

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  On 9/25/2020 at 12:08 AM, Thorny said:

What is the draft cut off for birthdays? Rossi is Sept 23? He must have just barely missed the 2019 draft. 

Good. I dunno, Wheeler apparently had us targeting Holtz or one of the two D, and I think someone else Brawndo mentioned had Rossi going to the Wild at 9, but that could have been Wheeler. 

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The Sabres just turned over their entire front office and scouting.  Wheeler has no insight on what they are thinking.

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  On 9/25/2020 at 12:52 AM, Flashsabre said:

The Sabres just turned over their entire front office and scouting.  Wheeler has no insight on what they are thinking.

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Yeah, I’ve seen multiple places/people projecting Raymond/Holtz because Buffalo “really likes Swedes”.  Sort of a head scratcher.

I would just dismiss stuff like that.  I don’t think anyone has a handle on what Buffalo likes just yet, but they still need to print something.

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If Rossi is there, I believe Kevyn Adams will take him. A bit back my source told me he didn’t like who will be available at 8 and would entertain trading it because of that. The player where that wouldn’t be the case was Rossi, who Adams likes. 

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  On 9/25/2020 at 1:28 AM, sabresparaavida said:

If Rossi is there, I believe Kevyn Adams will take him. A bit back my source told me he didn’t like who will be available at 8 and would entertain trading it because of that. The player where that wouldn’t be the case was Rossi, who Adams likes. 

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Please tell your source that Rossi won't be there, that a bunch of Just Another Guys will be there, and encourage your source to trade the pick.

Signed, everyone not named Liger.

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  On 9/25/2020 at 1:32 AM, Eleven said:

Please tell your source that Rossi won't be there, that a bunch of Just Another Guys will be there, and encourage your source to trade the pick.

Signed, everyone not named Liger.

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What players in the draft do you view as more than JAGs?  What guys are worth selecting at #8?

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  On 9/25/2020 at 2:26 AM, Ducky said:

I don't agree with the order but I think this list has at least 8 and probably 9 players named in the top ten that will be taken in the top 10.

 

https://www.milehighhockey.com/2020/9/23/21445047/2020-nhl-mock-draft-round-one-alex-lafreniere-prospect-reports

 

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I think those could easily be the 7 that go before Buffalo picks, in fact that would be my prediction. This particularly would be a disappointing way to see it unfold, Rossi going one pick before ours, and then taking Holtz. 

"After setting records for draft eligible production in the OHL, Rossi is a 5’9” center who isn’t afraid to play a lot bigger than his size. There is a lot of Brad Marchand in his game, right down to the dirty streak. He’s the kind of player opponents hate to play against."

Want. 

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  On 9/25/2020 at 2:29 AM, Thorny said:

I think those could easily be the 7 that go before Buffalo picks, in fact that would be my prediction. This particularly would be a disappointing way to see it unfold, Rossi going one pick before ours, and then taking Holtz. 

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Minny isn't going to let Lundell go by while they pick Sanderson. I'm not certain Sanderson is there at 9.

I'd be happy with Lundell but again, I don't think he will be there.

With all the talk about trading Laine, maybe Chevy will end up with another top 10 pick.

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  On 9/25/2020 at 2:32 AM, Ducky said:

Minny isn't going to let Lundell go by while they pick Sanderson. I'm not certain Sanderson is there at 9.

I'd be happy with Lundell but again, I don't think he will be there.

With all the talk about trading Laine, maybe Chevy will end up with another top 10 pick.

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Lundell would be a great pick for the Jets in that spot, if I was them, that's who I'm taking, skipping to the podium. The guy is going to solidify a centre unit. That the Jets may get him at 10 when they should have been picking I guess 12th and were a playoff team, well it would bug me a little bit!

If Rossi is gone, I would much rather take Lundell (drives his own line) than Holtz, and sleep well looking at our new Mid 6 C set-up of:

Staal (Cozens)

Haula/Copp (Lundell)

...we have a chance here to go from weak C depth to strong, good ceiling HIGH floor heir-apparents ADEQUATELY insulated with no-bs Mid 6 C vets for now. If Cozens and Lundell reach to within 80% of their ceilings we are laughing with a C spine no one wants to play on their best day. 

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Regardless of speculation on who's still there at eight if we're going to entertain trading the pick doesn't it make sense to wait until the draft goes a few picks in?

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  On 9/25/2020 at 3:05 AM, Thorny said:

Hey @LGR4GM who's the best playmaker in the draft? Laf?

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Best is really hard to name but I would say Lafrienere, Perfetti and Rossi are all in the conversation. 

  On 9/25/2020 at 11:34 AM, Radar said:

Regardless of speculation on who's still there at eight if we're going to entertain trading the pick doesn't it make sense to wait until the draft goes a few picks in?

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Yes, you should wait until you are on the draft floor while already having the leg work done to roughly know what you can get for the pick. 

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  On 9/25/2020 at 1:28 AM, sabresparaavida said:

If Rossi is there, I believe Kevyn Adams will take him. A bit back my source told me he didn’t like who will be available at 8 and would entertain trading it because of that. The player where that wouldn’t be the case was Rossi, who Adams likes. 

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This confirms my sense of what Adams is about. He's going to value sacrifice and effort more than the previous GMs.

That he doesn't like who he thinks will be available at eight tells me that the Sabres are probably expecting to be looking at choosing a player from the Perfetti Raymond and Holtz group and finding them lacking in that area.

I continue to have a good feeling about Rossi slipping to us and am starting to think Sanderson might be guy if Rossi is not there.

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  On 9/25/2020 at 1:13 PM, dudacek said:

This confirms my sense of what Adams is about. He's going to value sacrifice and effort more than the previous GMs.

That he doesn't like who he thinks will be available at eight tells me that the Sabres are probably expecting to be looking at choosing a player from the Perfetti Raymond and Holtz group and finding them lacking in that area.

I continue to have a good feeling about Rossi slipping to us and am starting to think Sanderson might be guy if Rossi is not there.

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  1. Lafrienere
  2. Byfield
  3. Stutzle
  4. Perfetti
  5. Raymond
  6. Drysdale
  7. Holtz/Quinn/Sanderson 
  8. Rossi
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  On 9/25/2020 at 1:13 PM, dudacek said:

This confirms my sense of what Adams is about. He's going to value sacrifice and effort more than the previous GMs.

That he doesn't like who he thinks will be available at eight tells me that the Sabres are probably expecting to be looking at choosing a player from the Perfetti Raymond and Holtz group and finding them lacking in that area.

I continue to have a good feeling about Rossi slipping to us and am starting to think Sanderson might be guy if Rossi is not there.

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Regarding Raymond and what you implied as a perceived lack of sacrifice or effort.  He doesn’t lack in those areas, he excels in them.  In addition to being very skilled, he is a diligent 200 ft player, and he came into his just started season having worked hard in the time off, adding a lot of muscle.

I think of his ceiling as a Marian Hossa/Daniel Alfredsson type of complete winger.

I would be excited to draft him at #8.

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  On 9/25/2020 at 1:43 PM, Curt said:

Regarding Raymond and what you implied as a perceived lack of sacrifice or effort.  He doesn’t lack in those areas, he excels in them.  In addition to being very skilled, he is a diligent 200 ft player, and he came into his just started season having worked hard in the time off, adding a lot of muscle.

I think of his ceiling as a Marian Hossa/Daniel Alfredsson type of complete winger.

I would be excited to draft him at #8.

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Who do you think are the guys Adams expects to be choosing from and doesn't particularly like?

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