LGR4GM Posted April 10, 2021 Report Posted April 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Ogelthorpe said: No new rumors? Not very encouraging ... rumor... we're trading montour to Florida 1
dudacek Posted April 10, 2021 Report Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) Staal, Johansson and Montour down on the UFA front, Hall, Sheahan, Rieder and Ullmark to go? Also gotta wonder about next year's UFAs, Risto and Miller. As far as I'm concerned this deadline is about moving out every asset that isn't part of team moving forward to leave us as clear a slate as possible for this summer. Edited April 10, 2021 by dudacek
thewookie1 Posted April 10, 2021 Report Posted April 10, 2021 Savard may end up with TBL with CBJ garnering at least a 1st
Scottysabres Posted April 10, 2021 Report Posted April 10, 2021 Ok, so, who's up next to spin the "wheel of fortunes changed because I'm outta here" in Buffalo? Will it be Hall? Or Risto? Maybe Samson wished upon a star. Who's it to be?
Taro T Posted April 10, 2021 Report Posted April 10, 2021 23 hours ago, SwampD said: I actually read this as “he had every single teammate’s ex-girlfriend go down on him on the ice.” So, he's Gary Leeman?
Taro T Posted April 10, 2021 Report Posted April 10, 2021 On 4/9/2021 at 10:13 AM, pi2000 said: He's only a -6, TRpm of +4.5. He's less of a liability at ES than as say Sam Reinhart (-24, -9 TRpm) or Victor Olofsson (-20, -7 TRpm).... so should we waive them too? How many of those minuses for Reinhart, Olofsson, & Dahlin come with their own goalie pulled? Has to be close to a dozen for each of them.
dudacek Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 Have we seen Risto for Haydn Fluery? https://www.thefourthperiod.com/apr-2021/fleury-available-as-carolina-looks-for-upgrade
thewookie1 Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, dudacek said: Have we seen Risto for Haydn Fluery? https://www.thefourthperiod.com/apr-2021/fleury-available-as-carolina-looks-for-upgrade I's want more than just Fluery though to be honest. Partially due to the expansion draft problem still existing in that trade.
Broken Ankles Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Taro T said: How many of those minuses for Reinhart, Olofsson, & Dahlin come with their own goalie pulled? Has to be close to a dozen for each of them. +/- does not factor in ENG. Sam’s actually-26 through 38 games, and none are the empty net variety. Not defending TPRM and whatever the calculation is, or the ES performance of Sam. Only calling out the plus minus stat.
Taro T Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Broken Ankles said: +/- does not factor in ENG. Sam’s actually-26 through 38 games, and none are the empty net variety. Not defending TPRM and whatever the calculation is, or the ES performance of Sam. Only calling out the plus minus stat. Since when? +/- historically counts ES & SH goals but not PP goals. 6 v 6 with one of the 12 a goalie is ES. 2
Brawndo Posted April 11, 2021 Author Report Posted April 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: I's want more than just Fluery though to be honest. Partially due to the expansion draft problem still existing in that trade. It would be a pick as well
Broken Ankles Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Taro T said: Since when? +/- historically counts ES & SH goals but not PP goals. 6 v 6 with one of the 12 a goalie is ES. You are probably correct. The NHL definition is ES but I saw a few articles, none with sources to NHL that said Empty net was not a factor in the calculation. I checked the game log for Sabres v. Devils 4/6. Risto was on the ice for 3 including his EN, and one against, thus he was credited for a + on the EN. Edited April 11, 2021 by Broken Ankles
Taro T Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said: You are probably correct. The NHL definition is ES but I saw a few articles, none with sources to NHL that said Empty net was not a factor in the calculation. I checked the game log for Sabres v. Devils 4/6. Risto was on the ice for 3 including his EN, and one against, thus he was credited for a + on the EN. According to the stat sheet here, he was a +2. 1
LGR4GM Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 Hall going back to Edmonton would be interesting. Sounds like a real possibility.
pi2000 Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Taro T said: How many of those minuses for Reinhart, Olofsson, & Dahlin come with their own goalie pulled? Has to be close to a dozen for each of them. I believe it was 5 or 6 last I checked.
Hoss Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 13 hours ago, dudacek said: Have we seen Risto for Haydn Fluery? https://www.thefourthperiod.com/apr-2021/fleury-available-as-carolina-looks-for-upgrade Jack Drury and Haydn Fleury for Risto. I’m calling this an E1 mostly because Haydn’s parents forgot one on his birth certificate. 1
Huckleberry Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 12 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Hall going back to Edmonton would be interesting. Sounds like a real possibility. They lack cap space and don't want to give us a 1st in 2021, they already trade 2nd 3rd and 5th round picks or something like that. They can give us a 2022 1st maybe dunno.
dudacek Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) The theme of the deadline this year has been retention: Palmieri, Savard, Nash, Staal, Borgstrom/Connolly...the significant trades have all come with salary cap considerations as a significant part of the package. The Montour deal sticks out there like a sore thumb as the exception. Did Adams leave a better return on the table by not retaining on Montour? And, if so, why? The Sabres now have a little under $4 million in cap space and that number could swell to as much as $12 million by trading Hall (although it's a given they will be retaining on Hall). That space can and should be weaponized. If we come out of the deadline well under the cap, we have squandered an asset. Is that because Adams didn't have the chops? Because Kim and Terry were cutting costs? Both? Edited April 11, 2021 by dudacek 1
darksabre Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 27 minutes ago, dudacek said: The theme of the deadline this year has been retention: Palmieri, Savard, Nash, Staal, Borgstrom/Connolly...the significant trades have all come with salary cap considerations as a significant part of the package. The Montour deal sticks out there like a sore thumb as the exception. Did Adams leave a better return on the table by not retaining on Montour? And, if so, why? The Sabres now have a little under $4 million in cap space and that number could swell to as much as $12 million by trading Hall (although it's a given they will be retaining on Hall). That space can and should be weaponized. If we come out of the deadline well under the cap, we have squandered an asset. Is that because Adams didn't have the chops? Because Kim and Terry were cutting costs? Both? Someone on twitter said yesterday that not retaining salary on Montour may have been deliberate because it let's them still have two spots to retain salary on other trades, notably Hall. So perhaps Adams is expecting to trade another player and retain salary in addition to Hall. We'll see if it happens. 1
tom webster Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 54 minutes ago, dudacek said: The theme of the deadline this year has been retention: Palmieri, Savard, Nash, Staal, Borgstrom/Connolly...the significant trades have all come with salary cap considerations as a significant part of the package. The Montour deal sticks out there like a sore thumb as the exception. Did Adams leave a better return on the table by not retaining on Montour? And, if so, why? The Sabres now have a little under $4 million in cap space and that number could swell to as much as $12 million by trading Hall (although it's a given they will be retaining on Hall). That space can and should be weaponized. If we come out of the deadline well under the cap, we have squandered an asset. Is that because Adams didn't have the chops? Because Kim and Terry were cutting costs? Both? First, im sure you know that they won’t really have anywhere near $12 million in cap space but rather the prorated version of that. Second, They can only retain on 3 players which with the assumption that Hall will be retained leaves them some more options before deadline. Third, Do you really think they are worried about what would amount to somewhere between $150K and $250K if they retained on Montour? Fourth, I’m still amazed at how people want to judge a certain process before that process is complete.
dudacek Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, tom webster said: First, im sure you know that they won’t really have anywhere near $12 million in cap space but rather the prorated version of that. Second, They can only retain on 3 players which with the assumption that Hall will be retained leaves them some more options before deadline. Third, Do you really think they are worried about what would amount to somewhere between $150K and $250K if they retained on Montour? Fourth, I’m still amazed at how people want to judge a certain process before that process is complete. First: Of course. it's pretty common shorthand for saying "the percentage left of Montour's $3.8 million AAV plus the percentage left of Hall's $8 million AAV. Second Exactly. I was trying to point out that there may be a reason why they didn't retain on Montour, and this is the most likely reason. Third If you mean the Pegulas, and the actual dollars out of pocket, probably not. I do point out that's a possibility and I think it may have led you to misread the basic intent of my post. i am not one of those who believes the Pegulas cheap out on everything. The evidence in regards to hockey players points to the opposite Fourth And the main intent of my post was exactly this: don't judge until all the pieces are in place. The fact that they did not retain on Montour tells me there may be another shoe to drop here. The most likely shoe is that they are planning for the possibility of retaining on two more players going out and/or bringing some salary in. IMO, it's the proper move, and I will be disappointed if I don't see some follow-through. 1
Brawndo Posted April 11, 2021 Author Report Posted April 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Please trade Ristolainen To Philly for Nolan Patrick 2
#freejame Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: To Philly for Nolan Patrick Is Nolan Patrick ever going to be Nolan Patrick or have his migraines pretty much ended him?
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