Jump to content

Pegula Ownership Question

LabattBlue

By LabattBlue
in The Aud Club

 Share

Do the Pegula’s still have your support as Sabres owners?  

45 members have voted

  1. 1. Still support the Pegula’s ownership of the Sabres?

    • Yes
      24
    • No
      21

Recommended Posts

ubkev All Star

ubkev

Posted
Posted
26 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

After another dismal season, followed by this weeks bloodbath, my hope tank is at empty. ?

My hope tank was full leading up to the lottery in 2015. Then we lost and I lost half a tank. I've been on E since 2016. The car is up on blocks and it's been fire bombed. 

  • Haha (+1) 2
IKnowPhysics First Liner

IKnowPhysics

Posted
Posted

The Pegulas financially secured the team's existence, secured the franchise in Buffalo, and made them economically competitive.  Locked in the no-brainer regionalization with the Amerks purchase.  They spend the cash, push the front office to compete, and hold them accountable when they don't.

We likely wouldn't have the luxury of being mad at hockey decisions if they didn't do these things.

They're not criminals, scum bags, or absentee.  They care about the city and show it by being actively involved.  They care about the sport and show it by being charitable and leading new initiatives.  FWIW, they care about the league by being active in their initiatives as well.

They put the team on a sound bedrock.  The rest is year-to-year front office, team, and player performance, which, because it's highly visible and frustrating, overshadows the good they've done in some fans' and season ticket holders' minds.

Friedman is right.  Like it or not, we're now in an era where owners can't and don't make the astronomical level of investment required to own a professional team and then be completely hands off on their investment.  And this will frustrate fans if they're in on hockey decisions, because the owners will never fire themselves.

I don't know if Kevyn Adams will create a winning team.  But I do know that Jason Botterill didn't and the owners are taking action.

The Pegulas will be fine.

  • Like (+1) 8
Kruppstahl Second Liner

Kruppstahl

Posted
Posted
37 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

I voted yes.

Without hope all is lost.  I am never without hope.

The Pegula's will be fine.

This made me laugh out loud.  They are not fine, have never been fine, and are not going to be fine.

That's just you talking as a fan, wishing for the best. 

This comment reminded of a guy over at another Sabres forum.

This was when Ron Rolston was the coach of this team and he was taking a ton of (justified) criticism from most of the users over there.

Someone who was always blindly optimistic to the point of coming across like a plant from the Sabres PR department said something just like your comment.  I.E., it takes time, Rolston has made progress, he will make more. He's going to work out just fine.  

What made it worse was the snark with which the guy made the post and he was openly scoffing at other posters who suggested Rolston was in completely over his head and needed to be terminated immediately.

There's always that guy with the "Calm down everyone, I know what's best, this is all going to work out just fine.  You just need to be more patient" approach.  It's very easy to say something like that.  Doesn't make it accurate though.  

New Scotland, I'm not suggesting your post is snarky in any way or that you are like this guy I'm mentioning.  Just the comment reminded of that situation.

Sometimes in life it is a case of the coach being in way over his head, he does need to get fired, and it's not going to get better until that happens.  With the passage of time, I think we can all agree Rolston was a colossal mistake and it was not a matter of time before it all got sorted.  It was such a mistake, it cost Darcy Regier his job, after so many years of dodging the bullet.  

The very foundation that this organization is based on right now is unsound.  They are exclusively trying to save money,  and the Pegulas are shrinking into a tight circle of their own trusted corporate lackeys.

Further, Kim Pegula has a great deal of authority and she hasn't a clue as to what she is doing.

I don't see anything positive stemming from this, unless it happens by dumb luck--which is possible.  It's not likely though, that's the problem.

It's hard enough to win in pro sports when everything is firing on all cylinders.

 

 

 

  • Like (+1) 1
  • Awesome! (+1) 1
Kruppstahl Second Liner

Kruppstahl

Posted
Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, IKnowPhysics said:

The Pegulas financially secured the team's existence, secured the franchise in Buffalo, and made them economically competitive.  Locked in the no-brainer regionalization with the Amerks purchase.  They spend the cash, push the front office to compete, and hold them accountable when they don't.

We likely wouldn't have the luxury of being mad at hockey decisions if they didn't do these things.

They're not criminals, scum bags, or absentee.  They care about the city and show it by being actively involved.  They care about the sport and show it by being charitable and leading new initiatives.  FWIW, they care about the league by being active in their initiatives as well.

They put the team on a sound bedrock.  The rest is year-to-year front office, team, and player performance, which, because it's highly visible and frustrating, overshadows the good they've done in some fans' and season ticket holders' minds.

Friedman is right.  Like it or not, we're now in an era where owners can't and don't make the astronomical level of investment required to own a professional team and then be completely hands off on their investment.  And this will frustrate fans if they're in on hockey decisions, because the owners will never fire themselves.

I don't know if Kevyn Adams will create a winning team.  But I do know that Jason Botterill didn't and the owners are taking action.

The Pegulas will be fine.

The point about the team being locked into WNY is often brought up by Pegula apologists. 

I don't think it's a valid point.  I refuse to be held hostage by that type of thinking.  If economics and market forces are such that it is virtually impossible for the team to remain in a tiny market like Buffalo, let it go.

Making an infinite amount of concessions simply in the name of the team staying put is not justified IMO.

If the Pegulas are going to destroy the franchise to the level they have, please sell it.  If that somehow means the team ends up somewhere else, such is life.

We'll all find a way to survive, I assure you.

 

Edited by Kruppstahl
  • Like (+1) 2
Andrew Amerk First Liner

Andrew Amerk

Posted
Posted (edited)

How many of the notable firings the Pegulas have made have found new NHL gigs since?

I know Ruff has. What about Darcy, TM, Rolston, Nolan, Byls, Wowie, etc?

Edited by Andrew Amerk
  • Like (+1) 3
Radar Second Liner

Radar

Posted
Posted
5 hours ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

I voted yes.

Without hope all is lost.  I am never without hope.

The Pegula's will be fine.

I voted yes with fear and trepidation

LabattBlue All Star

LabattBlue

Posted
  • Author
Posted
29 minutes ago, Theana74 said:

Glad to see reasonable folk here. They do so much for the city that hardly ever gets mentioned. Don't judge a book by its cover

10 years of the Sabres SUCKING outweighs any community endeavors.  Sorry. 

  • Like (+1) 1
Andrew Amerk First Liner

Andrew Amerk

Posted
Posted (edited)
34 minutes ago, Theana74 said:

Glad to see reasonable folk here. They do so much for the city that hardly ever gets mentioned. Don't judge a book by its cover

The question in this post isn’t whether or not they’ve done good things for the city of Buffalo or the Bills. 
 

The question is whether or not they should still own the Sabres. Based on the unbelievable levels of ineptitude, the answer is NO (unless they actually want to hire a qualified Prez and step out of the way finally). 
 

I used to wish to see the Sabres win a Cup before I died. Now I’m relegated to praying to attend another playoff game before I die. 

Edited by Andrew Amerk
  • Like (+1) 3
MakeSabresGrr8Again Third Liner

MakeSabresGrr8Again

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, Andrew Amerk said:

How many of the notable firings the Pegulas have made have found new NHL gigs since?

I know Ruff has. What about Darcy, TM, Rolston, Nolan, Byls, Wowie, etc?

Darcy...was Sr VP of Coyotes 

Disco Dan...Asst. Coach Detroit

Wowie...Asst. Coach Arizona

Curt First Liner

Curt

Posted
Posted
28 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said:

Thanks. Didn’t know this. 

And Tim Murray has been under contract with Buffalo all this time still.  I believe that his contract is up at the end of this month.  I don’t think that would prevent him from taking a scout or AGM job, but he would probably be taking a pay cut.

irregularly irregular Top Prospect

irregularly irregular

Posted
Posted

I voted yes, but have concerns. Many of the above mentioned subjects, on both sides of the aisle, are valid.

I believe it is about finding the right fit at GM and coach. The Pegula's seem to have found that with the McBean combination for the Bills and it is showing rewards. They have struggled to find that connection with the Sabres. My suspicion is that Ralph caught their attention as someone they trust and believe in, much like Sean did with the Bills. We will see if the Ralph/Kevyn fit is as good as what we are getting with McBean.  

I also believe they are in deep water with their many entities. Concentrating on one energy company and building it into a multi-billion dollar behemoth took knowledge and focus. They have taken those hard won riches and entered into a unique landscape where only the super rich can tread. Their focus is now scattered and the personalities are totally different in this new land. The learning curve has been long and steep with the Sabres. Let's all hope they have finally figured it out. 

  • Like (+1) 1
Andrew Amerk First Liner

Andrew Amerk

Posted
Posted
6 hours ago, irregularly irregular said:

I voted yes, but have concerns. Many of the above mentioned subjects, on both sides of the aisle, are valid.

I believe it is about finding the right fit at GM and coach. The Pegula's seem to have found that with the McBean combination for the Bills and it is showing rewards. They have struggled to find that connection with the Sabres. My suspicion is that Ralph caught their attention as someone they trust and believe in, much like Sean did with the Bills. We will see if the Ralph/Kevyn fit is as good as what we are getting with McBean.  

I also believe they are in deep water with their many entities. Concentrating on one energy company and building it into a multi-billion dollar behemoth took knowledge and focus. They have taken those hard won riches and entered into a unique landscape where only the super rich can tread. Their focus is now scattered and the personalities are totally different in this new land. The learning curve has been long and steep with the Sabres. Let's all hope they have finally figured it out. 

So, are calling this combo Ralvyn or what?

This topic is OLD. A NEW topic should be started unless there is a VERY SPECIFIC REASON to revive this one.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...