bunomatic Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) TP/KP are meddlers extraordinaire and they certainly feel they are more intelligent than everyone in hockey. If the league offered some advice because you are clueless and you take their advice its still your hire. You can’t now try and shift the blame from yourself. You made the decision to hire them regardless of who gave you the advise. You’re the owner. OWN IT. Is there a more incompetent ownership ‘ couple ‘ in hockey ? In all of sport ? Edited June 17, 2020 by bunomatic 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 My feeling? I really have trouble caring about hockey anymore. I wanted JBot gone, but this is beyond absurd. This team has almost no signed roster, missed a 24 team playoff format, has a weak prospect pool and very little of value to trade for upgrades and they hire a totally green GM to do what exactly???? In the absolute best case scenario he doesn't get too badly fleeced in any deal he manages to make, drafts extremely well (or lucky) and takes 3-4 years to build up a team worth watching. In the worst he flounders like all the other lost rookie bargain basement GMs causing Eichel and/or anyone else worth anything left to demand a trade and it's start all over again after 11 or 12 years of ineptitude. What I believe is we have an owner who is clueless and just listens to his wife who knows nothing but thinks she knows everything. Adams is nothing but a cheap loyal yes man and so he gets the job to follow her "vision." An owner who has also been hit hard financially with the drop in fracking demand and the immediate other team losses who is thus a believer in a "leaner" team structure which translates as cost cutting across the board. While most of us believed a hockey Czar of some sort should have been hired in addition to what we had we will instead be sold an ideology that somehow less is more. This team likely sits idle for about a year. A perfect opportunity to put it in the hands of an experienced no nonsense boss. Instead, another moment blown, another green GM who is somehow expected to make gold out of coal and more smashed sticks from Jack Eichel. On the bright side, Melody Martin should give us some fine entertaining songs. Death of a franchise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FogBat Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: My feeling? I really have trouble caring about hockey anymore. I wanted JBot gone, but this is beyond absurd. This team has almost no signed roster, missed a 24 team playoff format, has a weak prospect pool and very little of value to trade for upgrades and they hire a totally green GM to do what exactly???? In the absolute best case scenario he doesn't get too badly fleeced in any deal he manages to make, drafts extremely well (or lucky) and takes 3-4 years to build up a team worth watching. In the worst he flounders like all the other lost rookie bargain basement GMs causing Eichel and/or anyone else worth anything left to demand a trade and it's start all over again after 11 or 12 years of ineptitude. What I believe is we have an owner who is clueless and just listens to his wife who knows nothing but thinks she knows everything. Adams is nothing but a cheap loyal yes man and so he gets the job to follow her "vision." An owner who has also been hit hard financially with the drop in fracking demand and the immediate other team losses who is thus a believer in a "leaner" team structure which translates as cost cutting across the board. While most of us believed a hockey Czar of some sort should have been hired in addition to what we had we will instead be sold an ideology that somehow less is more. This team likely sits idle for about a year. A perfect opportunity to put it in the hands of an experienced no nonsense boss. Instead, another moment blown, another green GM who is somehow expected to make gold out of coal and more smashed sticks from Jack Eichel. On the bright side, Melody Martin should give us some fine entertaining songs. Death of a franchise. Boomer Gordon and his co-host on SiriusXM NHL Network Radio both thought that JBot should have been given another year or two. They said that 3 years is not enough time for GMs to get the job done. They also seemed to have some really negative vibes about how the Pegulas are running the franchise. If I understand everyone here correctly, Terry and Kim are in way over their heads. Hence the reason for the recent Craigslist ad - and rightfully so! Edited June 17, 2020 by Crosschecking 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Im kind of out of the loop now as I dropped out of my STH group prior to this season. Has the renewal date already come and gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Brawndo said: From Friedman 31 Thoughts Podcast, the Pegulas felt the hockey people they were recommended to them let them down and they are going in the opposite direction by hiring non NHL people. Gulp. Mentioned two candidates to round out the FO Dudley and Scott Luce. Just listened to this. To clarify, the Dudley and Luce candidates were Friedman spitballing, not rumors that he had heard. Before anyone gets too excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Brawndo said: 31 Thoughts. Again, I don't have a problem getting rid of people, but they don't have anyone with GM experience making the decisions or fixing this going forward. If they had introduced a Mike Gillis as GM or something, then I get it. I guess I owe Adams a chances so we will see what is going to happen. There are a ton of holes now and basically if they add ppl back they have a lot of places to change what was going on. Chris Taylor being fired is baffling. Edited June 17, 2020 by LGR4GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Brawndo said: From Friedman 31 Thoughts Podcast, the Pegulas felt the hockey people they were recommended to them let them down and they are going in the opposite direction by hiring non NHL people. Gulp. Listening to this is terrifying. It sounds like they feel tricked by NHL ppl and they want ppl within their bubble because of trust. IMPO that creates a feedback loop and group think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Adams on WGR right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Listening to this is terrifying. It sounds like they feel tricked by NHL ppl and they want ppl within their bubble because of trust. IMPO that creates a feedback loop and group think. That's exactly what happened. Remember when they addressed the employees at One Bills Drive, and they all walked away depressed? Starting to see why 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) Okay, Adams just said he "really believes in analytics. We want to play fast and have the puck." Edited June 17, 2020 by LGR4GM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Okay, Adams just said he "really believes in analytics. We want to play fast and have the puck." I was thinking of you when he said it. Edited June 17, 2020 by dudacek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Doesn’t think the scouting, development and analytics departments are always on the same page. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, darksabre said: Maybe when Pilut went Adams went to the Pegulas and said "WTF!?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, dudacek said: Doesn’t think the scouting, development and analytics departments are always on the same page. I guess the nice thing is, he would know. He's been all over the organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, dudacek said: Doesn’t think the scouting, development and analytics departments are always on the same page. That was interesting. He's talking about Chris Taylor now. Lots of good things to say on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, LGR4GM said: Maybe when Pilut went Adams went to the Pegulas and said "WTF!?" I mean, I don't really think Pilut was that good, but I just had a hunch that after all the gnashing of teeth on Sabres Twitter yesterday about Adams that he was going to come out and preach analytics and Sabres Twitter would do an immediate about-face and become his greatest acolytes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Thinks Rochester wasn’t focused enough on developing Buffalo Sabres. Going to change focus down there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Adams is interesting. The restructuring he was talking about makes more sense than the garbled answers we got yesterday. Sounds like Adams wants to talk to Krueger today and understand why the away and home records were so different and why the team failed. Adams mentioned Kevin Nightengale and how he is really smart. I got the impression that Kevin was ignored at times or there was a disconnect between scouting and analytics (which we know, see Frolic). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Will likely be replacing some of the fired staff, but the size won’t be as big and the structure/roles will change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Crosschecking said: Boomer Gordon and his co-host on SiriusXM NHL Network Radio both thought that JBot should have been given another year or two. They said that 3 years is not enough time for GMs to get the job done. They also seemed to have some really negative vibes about how the Pegulas are running the franchise. If I understand everyone here correctly, Terry and Kim are in way over their heads. Hence the reason for the recent Craigslist ad - and rightfully so! Respectfully, people who cover entire sports like this dont have a clue what they're talking about. Jason thought each of his three teams would be 15-20 points better than they were. He was going nowhere fast and this is a critical offseason. Whoever boomer Gordon is, he has about a tenth of the sabre knowledge that the least knowledgable sabrespace poster has 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, darksabre said: I mean, I don't really think Pilut was that good, but I just had a hunch that after all the gnashing of teeth on Sabres Twitter yesterday about Adams that he was going to come out and preach analytics and Sabres Twitter would do an immediate about-face and become his greatest acolytes. Probably. I am not doing that. I have tried to temper my shock and lack of trust with the fact that idk what Adams will do. Adams could be good if he actually forces the analytics and scouting to work together. Idk, this is uncharted territory post purge. 30 ppl went out the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Also sounds very much like Ralph is going to tell Kevyn what he’s got and what he needs and Kevyn’s job will be to move accordingly. Definitely more like a football structure, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, dudacek said: Also sounds very much like Ralph is going to tell Kevyn what he’s got and what he needs and Kevyn’s job will be to move accordingly. Definitely more like a football structure, As suspected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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