dudacek Posted June 10, 2020 Report Posted June 10, 2020 Resurrecting this thread because The Athletic has a great piece today on what the cap is going to do to the free agent market. Basically, the cap is a zero sum equation and the teams who have cap space to shop will be shopping at a massive 1/3 off sale. https://theathletic.com/1860985/2020/06/10/what-a-flat-salary-cap-is-going-to-mean-for-the-nhls-free-agent-market/ A year ago, assuming perfectly efficient use of cap space, NHL teams had $2.9 million to spend per vacant roster spot. That’s in line with what we’ve seen every summer since the league added the Golden Knights; the average is just under $3 million per roster spot. This summer it’s $1.9 million, a 36 percent drop from the past three years. Quote
dudacek Posted June 10, 2020 Report Posted June 10, 2020 And It’s not possible to squeeze the guys on the bottom of the depth chart. It’s dangerous to be too aggressive with key restricted free agents, though doubtless they’ll feel some of the pinch, perhaps with more teams/players opting for bridge deals over long-term pacts. Trading away money will be difficult and in some cases impossible, while buyouts leave long and ugly blocks of dead money years into the future. The most squishable class of player is the unrestricted free agent, and this offseason it’s going to be squished. Quote
darksabre Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 Very excited to see how Botterill somehow screws up being gifted a stagnant salary cap because of a global pandemic. 1 1 2 Quote
darksabre Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 Did anyone else see the thing about Botterill's contract? Apparently there was a May 15th cutoff date and the Pegulas missed it and ended up having to pay him a performance bonus, so that's why he's still here. Quote
dudacek Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 1:04 AM, darksabre said: Did anyone else see the thing about Botterill's contract? Apparently there was a May 15th cutoff date and the Pegulas missed it and ended up having to pay him a performance bonus, so that's why he's still here. Expand Where’s this? And what kind of “performance” bonus could botterill have possibly hit? 1 Quote
Weave Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 1:18 AM, dudacek said: Where’s this? And what kind of “performance” bonus could botterill have possibly hit? Expand It has to be tenure based, right? We’ll pay you a bonus if you’re still here 3 yrs from now. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 1:18 AM, dudacek said: Where’s this? And what kind of “performance” bonus could botterill have possibly hit? Expand He was still employed? Quote
darksabre Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 1:18 AM, dudacek said: Where’s this? And what kind of “performance” bonus could botterill have possibly hit? Expand I don't know for sure, but I had heard about it a while back from someone here and now it comes up briefly on DBTB this week. About 2:45 mark. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-126-mock-offseason-2-0/id1113848918?i=1000477155077 Quote
ubkev Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 1:04 AM, darksabre said: Did anyone else see the thing about Botterill's contract? Apparently there was a May 15th cutoff date and the Pegulas missed it and ended up having to pay him a performance bonus, so that's why he's still here. Expand No *****in' way! Quote
nfreeman Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 This seems highly unlikely to be true -- but it's a good indicator of the fans' lack of trust in the organization that some are ready to believe it and many more aren't ready to immediately call BS. 1 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 12, 2020 Report Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/10/2020 at 10:21 PM, dudacek said: And It’s not possible to squeeze the guys on the bottom of the depth chart. It’s dangerous to be too aggressive with key restricted free agents, though doubtless they’ll feel some of the pinch, perhaps with more teams/players opting for bridge deals over long-term pacts. Trading away money will be difficult and in some cases impossible, while buyouts leave long and ugly blocks of dead money years into the future. The most squishable class of player is the unrestricted free agent, and this offseason it’s going to be squished. Expand I said earlier that we will see many 1 year deals which both GMs and RFAs/UFAs want so that they can kick the can down the road a season and hope things return to normal. I was reading elsewhere where comps to Reinhart like Larkin and Ehlers signed in the 6 to 6.5 range. How does Reinhart get 8.7 when the comps are at 6? Where is the Eichel like breakout season to demand a over-market contract especially in these times. Quote
DarthEbriate Posted June 12, 2020 Report Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 7:01 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: I said earlier that we will see many 1 year deals which both GMs and RFAs/UFAs want so that they can kick the can down the road a season and hope things return to normal. I was reading elsewhere where comps to Reinhart like Larkin and Ehlers signed in the 6 to 6.5 range. How does Reinhart get 8.7 when the comps are at 6? Where is the Eichel like breakout season to demand a over-market contract especially in these times. Expand Paraphrasing @dudacek from over on Reinhart thread, it isn't. The 8.7 from Yerdon's article just doesn't make sense. And as Dudacek has been reminding me, Reino's leverage will be the bridge deal to save the Sabres money... (aside: while we had to pay ROR and extend Kane/signSkinner...eek) while he bet on himself. While he's been good, he's not been great. That 8+ is reserved for point-per-game or elite goal-scorers which Reino has shown each season he is not. He's a solid 1W/2W, savvy guy. And his major drawback is a team drawback in that we don't know how he'll respond to playoff hockey and being finished on each check and harassed and held. I'm of the mind that 6.5 should be his cap based on comparables. @dudacek , at risk of putting any words to his mouth, is in the 7 range because of the bridge. And you're right -- there is no breakout. Yet. We have to hope that he signs low-ish, and then has that breakout and sustains it for several playoff-filled years. Quote
Thorner Posted June 12, 2020 Report Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 1:18 AM, dudacek said: Where’s this? And what kind of “performance” bonus could botterill have possibly hit? Expand Missing the playoffs by within 3 spots. On 6/11/2020 at 1:04 AM, darksabre said: Did anyone else see the thing about Botterill's contract? Apparently there was a May 15th cutoff date and the Pegulas missed it and ended up having to pay him a performance bonus, so that's why he's still here. Expand Is the implication that all else being equal they wanted him gone? And now he's their GM headed into next season instead, even though they don't think him capable? Quote
Thorner Posted June 12, 2020 Report Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 7:01 PM, GASabresIUFAN said: I said earlier that we will see many 1 year deals which both GMs and RFAs/UFAs want so that they can kick the can down the road a season and hope things return to normal. I was reading elsewhere where comps to Reinhart like Larkin and Ehlers signed in the 6 to 6.5 range. How does Reinhart get 8.7 when the comps are at 6? Where is the Eichel like breakout season to demand a over-market contract especially in these times. Expand Does this refer to JB as well, in your view? Quote
darksabre Posted June 13, 2020 Report Posted June 13, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 10:51 PM, Thorny said: Missing the playoffs by within 3 spots. Is the implication that all else being equal they wanted him gone? And now he's their GM headed into next season instead, even though they don't think him capable? Expand I don't really know what to take from it. I think maybe the idea is they might have been more motivated to let him go if they had remembered they owed him a bonus... Quote
Curt Posted June 13, 2020 Report Posted June 13, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 10:51 PM, Thorny said: Missing the playoffs by within 3 spots. Is the implication that all else being equal they wanted him gone? And now he's their GM headed into next season instead, even though they don't think him capable? Expand When is the parade??? I don’t believe that they were ever going to fire Botterill this offseason, in the middle of a pandemic, with the balance of the NHL season up in the air. 1 Quote
Thorner Posted June 13, 2020 Report Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) On 6/13/2020 at 12:00 AM, darksabre said: I don't really know what to take from it. I think maybe the idea is they might have been more motivated to let him go if they had remembered they owed him a bonus... Expand So Botterill would have been let go pre-bonus, "becoming" a version his own worst enemy, the ROR deal, like Neo becoming one with the Matrix and Agent Smith. Edited June 13, 2020 by Thorny Quote
darksabre Posted June 13, 2020 Report Posted June 13, 2020 On 6/13/2020 at 1:10 AM, Thorny said: So Botterill would have been let go pre-bonus, "becoming" a version his own worst enemy, the ROR deal, like Neo becoming one with the Matrix and Agent Smith. Expand It certainly would have been poetic! Quote
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